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fugu13: I'm well aware there is no direct translation for that word in Japanese, there isn't one in Chinese either. Anime uses cuss words, it's true, I know alot of them, but the f-word is different in that you don't really hear them saying something to the effect, "That is so effing annoying." That type of word does not exist in Chinese or Japanese as far as I have seen.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ... "That is so effing annoying." That type of word does not exist in Chinese or Japanese as far as I have seen.
Well, maybe not in Mandarin. I think Mandarin swearing is pretty limited, possibly due to its use as the language of the court (but thats just my theory) In Cantonese, there is a character that is a pretty good translation. It gets pretty decent use too.
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: ... "That is so effing annoying." That type of word does not exist in Chinese or Japanese as far as I have seen.
Well, maybe not in Mandarin. I think Mandarin swearing is pretty limited, possibly due to its use as the language of the court (but thats just my theory) In Cantonese, there is a character that is a pretty good translation. It gets pretty decent use too.
I've actually used Diu and heard it used numerous times, I'd forgotten about it. But it's still not used exactly as F***. You can use it say F*** you but strictly speaking, there's no literal way I've seen for F*** off or F***ing morons. I've always gotten the impression that the Cantonese came up with Diu after they encountered English and wanted to have an equivalent word. I think Cantonese culture lends itself more to boisterous, frank, and rude manners of speaking, not trying to be disparaging, I love Cantonese culture. But in anime, and perhaps I just need to see more shows (I doubt my wife would agree with that assertion) colorful language isn't really that much of a feature. It seems like in those shows the swearing is mostly constrained to the equivalent of "Damn it!" or "Shit!" I feel like in Japanese culture, swearing alot makes you less intelligent and therefore less enjoyable to readership/viewership. In English we go in the other direction where we try to find eloquent and off the wall ways to swear, thus making people laugh at the contradiction. Quintin Tarantino films frequently employ this device.
In mandarin，
滾開 is almost always rendered in English as "F*** off!" But literally it means "roll away." The phrase has just become generally understood as the rudest way to get somebody to go away. As a missionary I don't think it was used on me once, that's how rude it is. It's slightly less offensive cousin 走開 is usually translated as, "Get lost."
I remember watching Kung Fu Hustle and one of the characters says something like, "My name is X and don't you forget it!" For some reason the subtitle writer decided that since the line is said aggressively that it ought to be stated "My name is X and don''t you F***ing forget it!"
Swearing just doesn't feel as developed in Chinese as it does in English. Also, with this post I think I broke my record for swears in a post, which previously sat at 1, to 12.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I think Cantonese culture lends itself more to boisterous, frank, and rude manners of speaking, not trying to be disparaging, I love Cantonese culture.
*shrug* I think its true. Cantonese is definitely much less politically correct and more developed in terms of swearing. I am told that many of the dialects of Chinese are actually much more developed in swearing than Mandarin, with few sounding more flowery.
quote: 滾開 is almost always rendered in English as "F*** off!" But literally it means "roll away." The phrase has just become generally understood as the rudest way to get somebody to go away.
We have that too. The quickest example that comes to my mind is in Stephen Chow's God of Cookery, in the intro several variants of that are used.
quote: I remember watching Kung Fu Hustle and one of the characters says something like, "My name is X and don't you forget it!" For some reason the subtitle writer decided that since the line is said aggressively that it ought to be stated "My name is X and don''t you F***ing forget it!"
Hmmm, it depends. I can't remember for Kung Fu Hustle exactly, but Stephen Chow's films were always filmed in Cantonese first and then translated via subtitles to English. Mandarin is also a translation from Cantonese, but we've watched his movies and the traditional subtitles don't always match the simplified subtitles.
In other words, the English subtitles might actually be more correct in this rare instance since swearing is often stripped out when going from Cantonese to Mandarin.
quote: Swearing just doesn't feel as developed in Chinese as it does in English.
Hmmm, I don't think so. I think watching any early period Stephen Chow film would quickly disabuse one of this notion. There are a great many Cantonese swears which have no valid mapping in English and thus get crammed either into sh** or fu** when translated.
Swearing is a pretty natural development since much of Cantonese comedy is based on wordplay with a lower emphasis on slapstick as in the West.
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It's called the user agreement, Blayne. You had to agree to it to become a member of Hatrack.
To reiterate:
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I really really really want to see a fight between Akagi and Yami Yugi in Mahjong, through in that Saki girl from that other mahjong anime as well.
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I dunno if this has been mentioned already but there are plans to remake Akira into a live-action film. It should be good, I remember the first 10 minutes of Akira to be some of the best I have ever seen in cinema.
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oh Akira, for a second I thought I saw "Akagi", akira is the scifi mind screw thriller right?
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Anime's I've finished watching:
Kannagi (3.5/5) Not epic, not bad, but alright. Gai Rei Zero (4.5/5) Pretty good. Umineko no Naku Koro Ni (4/5) Good adaption but obviously has its own issues. Higurashi (4.5/5) Awesome but has pacing issues. Genshiken (5/5) Entertaining, has english dialogue, and captures the Otaku life beautifully. Halo Legends (5/5) Tis' Halo how can I not give it a perfect score? Full Metal Panic (4/5) Great anime but has a few disbelief issues.
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quote:Originally posted by SoaPiNuReYe: I dunno if this has been mentioned already but there are plans to remake Akira into a live-action film. It should be good, I remember the first 10 minutes of Akira to be some of the best I have ever seen in cinema.
I don't know. I just read they cast Leonardo DiCRAPIO (see what I did there?) in the film. If it has him I will probably not watch it. I have bad memories of Dragonball: Evolution
Edit: He is producing the film, not acting in it. If you had the choice who would you cast as Tetsuo and Kaneda?
I'd cast:
Kaneda: Channing Tatum (Just because I know he could act like a total bad-a$$)
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I actually like Leonardo as an actor quite a bit. I think Akira was a phenomenal development in terms of bringing anime to a feature movie level. It was the natural expression of art given a good hefty budget. It was a shock to Americans who had largely never seen an animated format deal with such mature themes. The setting was relatively unconventional and interesting.
The plot started out intriguing, but throughout the movie and until the very end it was a slowly unraveling train wreck. A train wreck carrying a cargo of garbage.
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Never seen Akira but I think there were a few older ones who did a good job, Akira tends to be the introduction to more mature anime.
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I finally got a copy of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Pretty good, when I can actually watch it in order. What do you guys think about it?
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I like the Russian opening theme.
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currently watching Durarara!! which is I think one of the best serious anime's I've seen, easily up there with Code Geass, Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and Haruhi Suzumiya as the top 5 anime's of all time hands down.
Durarara has an ALL-STAR cast so its like watching Light Yogami whose best friends with Shouta Hikasa from Battle Royale II on cordial terms with Mr. Despair whose being chased by an angry Itsuki Kuzuimi Wildy and Coyote fashion with Leleuch vi Britannia fallen in love with Xia Yu Lan and thats ONLY A HANDFULL OF THE MAIN CAST WOOOOT! SQUEEE!
And then there's the premise (as if the seiyu's weren't already enough to get every Otaku ever to watch) which is some kind of blender mix of rule of cool meets slice of life meets irish folktale basically a irish headless horsewoman lost her head (literally!) and thus lost her memories (though still knows what she is, who she is, and what she does and what her powers are and what they can do) and journeys to Japan to find her head.
What makes this awesome is how they handled this and having a huge cast of characters by presenting with great detail that every one of the main characters are yes in turn their own character with their own lives and friends who coincidentily meet each other in the city and through these coincidences drive the plot (or is it?) kinda like in Heroes except they manage to fit a lot more action and character interactions in a single half hour episode then Heroes does.
Like yes we have our sorta fantasy element in a setting that is otherwise very much grounded in reality and realism but it works so well it lives and breathes this show I get the distinct impression that everyone is 'real' in their own degree.
And then there's the oh so glorious action where Daisuke Ono's character flinging vending machines at Despair's character trying to kill him only to be interrupted by a Scary Black Russian guy who casually jumped down 7 stories to catch the vending machine!
It has to be seen to be felt.
Go go go go go go! What are you standing here for? Go watch it! Now!
I'm going to go and scrounge up the light novels now and keep reading.
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Were you the same asshole who made quips about me never gonna make or form human connections because I happen to like watching cartoons and anime?
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And yes, yes you were, you delurked apparently for the sole purpose of flaming me in my own thread and upon rereading your posts and after a meeting with the Doctor I had a few months ago realize that you were being entirely a disrespectful whiny little douche towards people with full blown or a variant (like me) of Aspergers Syndrome.
Care to go away you whiny cancerous little blight?
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Dude, it's the Internet. There are no corners. You cannot feasibly put "limits" on his interaction with you. You can only choose how you personally respond to what people say.
You can choose to be a mature adult, or you can make the wrong choice.
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I was being funny there, since its fairly obvious that yes the internet has no corners.
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Reading "Liar Game" manga and its almost exactly like Kaiji basically both are about absurdly high stakes games of chance where the goal is to find strategies to win and give you an upper hand, YuGiOh and Saki while good game series(s) themselves rely too much on either supernatural powers or absurdly unlikely luck respectively which make anime/manga's such as Akagi, Kaiji and Liar Game very refreshing for their seriousness. (not that Akagi doesn't sometimes violate this too but at least his luck is more believable)
Am I part of the "misaimed fandom" if I find the games player really really fun?!
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