quote:The whole idea that so many, particularly straight men, have that women don't like Male/Male erotica is just a self delusion.
Lol, pretty much. It's really the opposite. The majority of fandom is comprised of women who like slash.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: It's got nothing to do with their political party, Eds.
Do you have any doubt that these people vote Republican? Or that this panicked, vicious, hateful discrimination isn't the sole unifying theme that binds them with the rest of the Republican party?
Maybe not all Republicans are trash, but trash overwhelmingly votes Republican. And banning a girl from prom for being gay -- and then cruelly sending her to a fake prom -- is so Republican that I can hear Rush Limbaugh wheezing his miserable glee to his illiterate audience even now.
Yes, it has a lot to do with politics. As pathetic as the Democrats are, the Republican party is a celebration of the stupid, the hateful, and the close-minded. Republican leaders are painfully dumb and Republican ideas incoherent, but the party's unifying theme of hatred legitimizes and reinforces the vicious bastards who sent a high school girl to a fake prom as punishment for being gay.
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quote:Originally posted by katharina: Talk about spouting trash.
Well she is letting anger talk for her but she is right about one thing. Do you really believe those people don't watch FOX and vote Republican? This is an honest question.
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quote:Originally posted by katharina: Talk about spouting trash.
Kat, I remember your own incoherent screeds against homosexuality from years ago. I hope people like those who run this school have changed your mind on homosexual rights.
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quote: There were, apparently, five students at the 'fake prom', presumably intending to show their support. They cannot well be described as cowards, having apparently decided to defy the rest of the school by not joining the big "Eff You Prom". So it seems reasonable to guess that these students would have told Constance what was going on. A private event does not have to be kept secret for this sort of exclusion to be effective; indeed, all the better if it isn't.
It's not clear that all of the other students (the five) were there out of a show of solidarity. Two of the students were "special needs" students. It's not clear yet if they were duped as well or chose to come in protest. If they were duped in hopes to embarrass both Constance and those students - it doesn't look like it worked. ;-)
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Lalo, you know absolutely nothing about anything and even less about me. You are embarrassing yourself and everyone who might agree with you.
More importantly, why do you think that the appropriate resopnse to trashy behavior is trashier, uglier behavior? Are you a parody? You come off like a parody. If someone wanted invent a character that would make their opposition look as stupid and hate-filled as possible, they would come up with you.
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quote:There were, apparently, five students at the 'fake prom', presumably intending to show their support. They cannot well be described as cowards, having apparently decided to defy the rest of the school by not joining the big "Eff You Prom".
Based on the fact that out of 7 students, the prom had Constance, her date, and at least a few special needs kids, I think it much more likely that all were simply not invited. Perhaps a different kind of bigotry for the special needs students.
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Yeah honestly I would like to have seen a show of solidarity from at least seven kids, but it seems like the special needs kids were just not invited as well.
There have been reports indicating this, but no way to know for sure RIGHT NOW. anyway.
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As bad as the tricking the lesbian girl is the tricking special needs kids is even more horrible. Then there are those pics surfacing of the "real" prom. Very scandalous pics that belie all of the so called family values that the school said it was protecting,
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Words fail me. I can't believe a whole town full of adults are acting like this. Apartheid in America. Lovely.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Cool, a new snarlbite feud.
Please don't put me on the same level with Katharina.
Maybe my post was too heated. I believe that the Republican party's primary political tool is uniting lesser-educated, close-minded people against perceived threats of social degeneration -- such as homosexuality. I think that Sarah Palin's meteoric rise in the Republican party is largely thanks to her unashamed stupidity and frank opposition to things that the party doesn't associate with Real America -- such as homosexuals. I also think that the school administration is likely to subscribe to these Republican ideals of Know-Nothingism, which affirm and support their cruelty to a teenage girl -- for being homosexual.
These people are trash, and the fact that their philosophies are completely consistent with Republican politics reflects poorly on the Republican party.
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quote:listen, im a junior at itawamba. constance is STUPID for blowing this up and ruining the prom for the rest of my school. some of us kids met with about 50 parents last night and they have gladly decided to throw us a prom at the tupelo furniture market on april 2. you would just have to live here to know what its like. theres only about 3500 people that live in our city limits so EVERYONE knows everyone. they dont have to throw us a prom, they volunteered to and we appreciate them so much for it.. AND to top it off, it is going to be INVITATION ONLY. so constance and her gay-activist friends will not be attending. they can go have their own prom because we certainly do not want any of them there.. i wish some of you could be here though. we have WTVA newsmen at front doors of the school every freaking morning. they flag us down to interview us as we’re coming and leaving school. im SICK AND TIRED OF IT. we are very traditional here so personally i think if constance doesnt like it here she needs to pack her stuff and MOVE. no one even liked her here that much in the first place..
quote:I am a senior at IAHS, and I’ve known Constance for the last 6 years. Please hear our side of the story before you decide on our fate. The party we had in Evergreen (the county neighborhood I live in) is 30 mins away from the school. we rented out the community center, hired vendors, decorated, and our parents ran the security/chaperone staff- but it wasn’t prom. Prom was at the country club where constance and 7 other students were. The reason the senior class boycotted the actual prom was not because we hate gays. We wanted a drama-free gathering to celebrate 3 great years and 1 lousy one together, and we wanted to lay low. We also wanted to do it without the main cause of the lousy. What people are failing to realize is that much of the fault of this whole stink lies with Constance, not her mistreatment by the school district, but her crazy-reckless need for attention. It sounds mean and horrible and like we planned it all specifically to embarrass Constance, but we didn’t. We let her have her prom with her girlfriend and her tuxedo and we went to party it up in the “boondocks” not because we wanted her rights violated, but so we could salvage what has turned into a total fiasco. As a whole we didn’t support her decision to throw the district under the bus, or her insinuations that we’re all just a bunch ‘a hicks driving around in beater pick up trucks spitting tobacco and burning crosses. IAHS is one of the top schools in the state and I’m proud of that, and I’m proud that we took a stand and just said you know what? forget it, we have just as much right as you do to have a party for ourselves. So we did, and now we’re getting flack because poor Connie’s ego got a bit of bruising. She’s playing the lesbian card to prove she ALWAYS gets what she wants. This time, we didn’t just let her. Take it as you will, because I’m sure it sounds like we faked her out, but understand this- the decision NOT to attend prom had nothing to do with the school or with Constance’s sexual preferences; it had everything to do with proving we weren’t going to let her and the ACLU steamroll us into doing what Constance wanted. We flexed the muscle of the majority and we’ll suffer the consequences.
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Yep. Looks very much like someone has been flaunting her difference in a demand for acceptance. A classic teenager mistake, unfortunately. The bit about the special-needs students is, however, rather embarrassing for the "We're just not going to let Constance manipulate us" point of view.
Incidentally, why are we on first-name terms with her? Ought it not to be "Ms [edit]McMillen[/edit]"?
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quote:Originally posted by aeolusdallas: As bad as the tricking the lesbian girl is the tricking special needs kids is even more horrible. Then there are those pics surfacing of the "real" prom. Very scandalous pics that belie all of the so called family values that the school said it was protecting,
Link me to ALL of these you can find. Please.
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They keep pulling them down. But I will keep looking till they turn up again. Those kind of pictures always do.
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Technically, they could have tied a whole bunch of black people into a human chain and beat her with it when she showed up. That could have been worse.
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quote:or her insinuations that we’re all just a bunch ‘a hicks driving around in beater pick up trucks spitting tobacco and burning crosses.
quote:I’m proud that we took a stand and just said you know what? forget it, we have just as much right as you do to have a party for ourselves.
Know what else insinuates you're a bunch of cross burning hicks? Deliberately excluding a bunch of kids from the end-of-school-party because you didn't want to have to deal with them being different.
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quote:Technically, they could have tied a whole bunch of black people into a human chain and beat her with it when she showed up. That could have been worse.
They could have. But I said "likely to play out." If that really still falls under the category of "likely" I wouldn't even know what to say.
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Katharina, this is the second recent thread where you've stepped over the line in response to something. Please stop it.
In katharina's defense, Lalo, I don't remember her opinions, what few of them she actually stated, as being what you're claiming. I think you (and many others) made assumptions, and aside from saying "no, that's not what I believe," she didn't clarify all that often.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Cool, a new snarlbite feud.
Please don't put me on the same level with Katharina.
Maybe my post was too heated. I believe that the Republican party's primary political tool is uniting lesser-educated, close-minded people against perceived threats of social degeneration -- such as homosexuality. I think that Sarah Palin's meteoric rise in the Republican party is largely thanks to her unashamed stupidity and frank opposition to things that the party doesn't associate with Real America -- such as homosexuals. I also think that the school administration is likely to subscribe to these Republican ideals of Know-Nothingism, which affirm and support their cruelty to a teenage girl -- for being homosexual.
These people are trash, and the fact that their philosophies are completely consistent with Republican politics reflects poorly on the Republican party.
Yes, these people are trash. Would you like a list of things done by Democrats that are repugnant? For the record, I voted Republican, and I'd hold my nose and vote for Palin if she was the only choice against Obama. So am I a homophobe? Am I trash?
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quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: Well, this is just about the worst way this was likely to play out. Damn.
I didn't even think something like this could have happened. I can't imagine how the entire town managed to keep this whole thing a secret.
But in all honesty I don't think Constance would have enjoyed going to the prom everybody else was going to, I certainly wouldn't.
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quote:I think that Sarah Palin's meteoric rise in the Republican party is largely thanks to her unashamed stupidity and frank opposition to things that the party doesn't associate with Real America -- such as homosexuals.
The reason for Sarah Palin's meteoric rise is because she's handsome and direct and connects with people. Her support of "traditional values" might be part of it, yes, but politicians who are against gay rights are a dime a dozen, and they haven't all had meteoric rises.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: For the record, I voted Republican, and I'd hold my nose and vote for Palin if she was the only choice against Obama. So am I a homophobe? Am I trash?
not really. you're just trained well to vote against your interests.
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The first entry is, well, typically teenaged and spiteful.
The second one is interesting, though, in its mixture of mature sounding rhetoric and intent and, well, typical teenager spitefulness. I mean, on the one hand she talks about hearing her side of the story and not hating gays and wanting a drama-free prom. On the other hand she points out quite proudly how the overwhelming majority (seriously, about what, 97%?) went to this 'not-prom' to have their 'drama-free' event...whose entire purpose was united around specific exclusion of undesirables. Whatever they claim to be excluding for, drama-queen-ness or homosexuality. Then talking about letting her have her prom with her girlfriend and her tuxedo while salvaging their fiasco.
It's just...weird. Man, it really seems like this bull@#it is in her, the second poster at least, in her thinking.
Why on Earth would it sound like you faked her out? Is it because 98% of the class went to one prom, and 2% to another? Surely that's just a coincidence! It's rather like folks who claim that slavery was not a decisive factor in causing the Civil War. "It was states rights!" they shout. Yes, and one of the biggest rights was the right to own slaves!Posts: 17164 | Registered: Jun 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: For the record, I voted Republican, and I'd hold my nose and vote for Palin if she was the only choice against Obama. So am I a homophobe? Am I trash?
not really. you're just trained well to vote against your interests.
<snort> Sure. Do I strike you as even remotely trainable?
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Well...yes, actually, Lisa. Extremely passionate people are, after all, able to be 'trained'.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: For the record, I voted Republican, and I'd hold my nose and vote for Palin if she was the only choice against Obama. So am I a homophobe? Am I trash?
not really. you're just trained well to vote against your interests.
<snort> Sure. Do I strike you as even remotely trainable?
Yes. You make an able zealot.
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quote:Would you like a list of things done by Democrats that are repugnant?
I can think of two things, both wars: Kosovo and Vietnam. And the trickle into Vietnam started under Eisenhower.
I really can't think of anything else. I can't think of any other examples of the gleeful fear-mongering and bigotry that the Republicans continue to churn out.
If you're going to say health care, I have a hard time seeing this as anything like, say, the southern strategy.
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I would never discuss what I actually think here, and Lalo is a perfect example for why. At this point, it's either be attacked or be associated slightly with him, in his black and white world, and both prospects are repugnant.
More generally, I prefer to discuss politics, philosophy, and religion in places where a real discussion is possible. I am interested neither in a self-righteous booster club that demonizes everyone who doesn't agree with me nor in justifying myself to prejudiced strangers whose opinions I do not value.
quote:More generally, I prefer to discuss politics, philosophy, and religion in places where a real discussion is possible.
I do continue to be baffled, though, as to why you would prefer to simply insult someone and then pretend that you aren't interjecting yourself into the discussion. What makes that approach preferable to silence?
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And I'm baffled by Lalo imagining that the world is divided into good guys and trash and that he's on the side of the good guys and the trash is a political party. The world is full of mysteries.
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quote:And I'm baffled by Lalo imagining that the world is divided into good guys and trash and that he's on the side of the good guys and the trash is a political party.
It seems to me that putting it that way might be more productive. He probably does have reasons. They might not be good ones, but perhaps in the process of explaining them to you he'll realize that for himself -- or perhaps you'll be convinced by them.
Yeah, it's unlikely. But there's no real downside, so why not?
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I'll certainly grant that possibility. I'll confess to being unable to perceive a downside that does not also pertain to your current strategy of "insult and stick around to repeatedly say why you won't say anything but insults."
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Are you really? Because, to be honest, that seems like a particularly passive-aggressive sort of thing to say, especially since my lack of perception could be easily remedied by an enumeration on your part of downsides which are excluded by your strategy.
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I am sorry. If you were more perceptive, perhaps you'd stop with your own passive aggressive insults.
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Ah. See, I'm not insulting you. I am pointing out that your strategy here seems to me to be a bad one. I do not know why you have chosen this approach; I have not hazarded any attempts to guess.
I have not, for example, said or insinuated (to use your own example) that you are lacking in perception. I have not suggested, in fact, any personal failing whatsoever. You may very well have a perfectly good reason for insulting people and then sticking around to defend your insult without actually engaging on deeper matters; you claim that this is a deliberate and measured response to certain types of behavior, so clearly you believe that this response is in some way preferred over other sorts of responses.
Just as clearly, I disagree.
However, you will note that I have disagreed with you in ways that freely and fully concede that you are capable of making your own decisions wisely, even if they are not the decisions I would make. I have merely noted the ways in which I think your approach complicates matters, and furthermore left multiple openings for you to elaborate upon what you believe are its advantages.
At no time in this thread -- not once -- have I insulted you in any way. Nor has it been my intention to do so.
I would ask you, Katie, to give this some serious thought. Sincerely.
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