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I think I get what you're saying. I don't entirely disagree, I just think the extent to which people are not only allowed but ENCOURAGED by these movies to have their faith so poorly thought out is frightening.
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: The caps lock is extremely unnecessary, Blayne. Please edit that to normal case?
Also Syn I can definitely say a remake of FF7 wouldn't be awesome. The last remotely decent Final Fantasy was 3 (fanboys call it 6, but my SNES cartridge says 3, dagnabbit.)
Sorry Blayne, I have to agree with Dan. FF7 is overhyped. For most fanboys, FF7 was either the first Final Fantasy game they ever played, or the game that introduced them to the RPG genre.
The story is ok, but not great. It is about an Emo kid and a guy with mommy issues. Tifa's character design puts Barbie to shame (not to mention the back issues she must have!) and Aeris acts like a love drunk 13 year old. Barrett is a mix between Mr. T and (insert random rapper name here). The rest of the characters are forgettable and really do not add anything to the story. The only character that is remotely cool is Red XIII.
A remake would be great....With a completely different cast and script.
Final Fantasy VI was great. Final Fantasy V was as well. I also enjoyed Final Fantasy IX. Tactics is still one of my favorite games, and revolutionized the SRPG genre.
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Put another way: the shallow part is not where their faith is challenged when their wife is killed. The shallow part is that their faith doesn't get better until something randomly good happens to them.
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Final Fantasy Vll is great. Some overrate, but the gameplay and soundtrack are balling. It's story was urban contrast to RPGs at the time and the language in that game was surprising for it's time. But **** story; the gameplay was good.
Also a fully explorable Midgard would be awesome as ... a fully explorable midgard.
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The plot holes in Signs bothered me so much that the ending was a failure anyway; the craptastic theology is...believed by a large number of people, so I'm willing to chalk that up to Your Mileage May Vary.
My issue is actually with the very idea that everything happens for a reason. I don't think it does, and I'm pretty offended by the suggestion that it is, and that when children/lives/businesses/sanity are saved, it is proof of the love of God, because of the inescapable conclusion that the people who lost children/lives/businesses/sanity are NOT loved by God. It doesn't work that the major bad things are random and don't mean anything and the good things are proof of love. I ESPECIALLY loathe it when people say that trials - specifically, the trials of the person they are talking to - is a blessing in disguise. No one who has actually undergone serious trials could say something so monumentally stupid. MNS was raised wealthy, in an intact family, was supported and achieved success in his difficult choice of career, is still married to his college sweetheart, both his parents are still alive, and hasn't (most likely) undergone major health problems. He has NOT experienced the kind of major sorrow that might give him some insight as to what it takes to come to peace with it, and the stupid, stupid, condescending ending of Signs is proof of it.
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quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: Final Fantasy Vll is great. Some overrate, but the gameplay and soundtrack are balling. It's story was urban contrast to RPGs at the time and the language in that game was surprising for it's time. But **** story; the gameplay was good.
Also a fully explorable Midgard would be awesome as ... a fully explorable midgard.
The gameplay was good. The materia system was something that had never been seen before in an RPG. It allowed for some awesome (Though gamebreaking) combinations. Of course, after a certain point Final Fantasy X could be broken too.
I guess I'm just sick of FFVII. All of the sequels, prequels, etc are just tiring. A sequel to FFX was welcome (Though it was horrible) because the story was left open to be able to accomodate it. FFVII had a definitive end. Sephiroth died, and Meteor was stopped, and Red XIII and his kids saw it covered in flora at the end. One of the most definitive endings of any Final Fantasy game.
The Genesis storyline from Crisis Core was interesting, and the secret ending from Dirge of Cerberus showed Genesis alive and apparently breaking out of where he was held. If they had built around that I think all of these sequels would be more bearable. Afterall, he was more powerful than Sephiroth ever was. He also contained something Sephiroth did not: A personality.
Make a sequel, ditch cloud and bring in a new protagonist, and include Genesis and I'll buy the game. Bring Sephiroth back yet again and use the same cast and I'm not going to bite. Its played out, its old, and I want something new.
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Most games can be broken at some point. Theres some brain mushing way to break every n1 game. Certain classes in Tactics are over powered. Skies of Arcadia had an overpowered attack.
Also, FFX as a whole is way too easy. I got all the way to that caged mammoth sinspawn thing without using any spheres and it was my first JRPG. I died on the way, but I got there. The Sphere grid is pretty cool though. Game is okay.
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quote:I think I get what you're saying. I don't entirely disagree, I just think the extent to which people are not only allowed but ENCOURAGED by these movies to have their faith so poorly thought out is frightening.
'Allowed'? I get what you mean, though;)
I do agree that self-centered, ill-conceived notions of faith are pretty irritating. You've got us butts in seats for 90m minimum, give us something thought-provoking and meaningful! When you're talking about faith and life and death and suffering, it's not as though the subject matter isn't there.
quote:Put another way: the shallow part is not where their faith is challenged when their wife is killed. The shallow part is that their faith doesn't get better until something randomly good happens to them.
I would dispute the shallow again on the same grounds as before, for a given definition of shallow, depending on how big the good thing is, how important.
Just to reiterate, I'm not saying that something good happening to one is an adequate reason to have faith, just that it might not be shallow. Unless you mean ill-conceived sort of shallow.
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What I've read of Shyamalan suggests that he got too famous too fast and started to believe his own hype. I'm very sorry to be hearing that Airbender is bad, though; the previews showed some promise, and I don't really want to see Shyamalan's star fall any further to satisfy some sense of schadenfreude. There just doesn't seem to be any "intervention" system for talented people who lose their way.
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quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: Also, square says Final Fantasy X is a sequel to Vll. Completely serious.
quote:Just to reiterate, I'm not saying that something good happening to one is an adequate reason to have faith, just that it might not be shallow. Unless you mean ill-conceived sort of shallow.
I guess I am just using a different definition of shallow, but I don't think it's unfair to be... I dunno, "comparing relative shallowness." I mean, yes having your son not die is a big deal. But compared to the notion that there is an omnipotent god who awards salvation and damnation and is weaving vastly complex plans for humanity? I realize that that may not FEEL like that big a deal compared to your son who you just almost lost, but the fact is, it IS a bigger deal, if true.
If your faith in that can waver and rekindle due to events in your life, however important those events, that makes your faith pretty shallow compared to what your faith SHOULD be if you were truly comprehending what it was you had faith in.
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I can agree with that, the faith itself being shallow and not the person in cases like dead loved one or not dead loved one. Shallow as in lacking knowledge, not necessarily shallow as in petty.
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I was about to follow my last post up with "I guess that it makes more sense to judge humans by how shallow they are compared to other humans as opposed to abstract ideas that don't even necessarily mean anything." But I would also note that I'd often define shallow as not merely lacking knowledge but uninterested in acquiring more. (Like, someone interested in a hot girl who doesn't care about her personality is specifically uninterested in learning more interesting things about her.)
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quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: Also, square says Final Fantasy X is a sequel to Vll. Completely serious.
It makes a bit of sense.
People came to this conclusion based on a few lines spoken by an NPC late in the game. Most people think the lines are just a homage to FF-VII, but some people take it literally.
The same thing happened with Xenogears and Xenosaga. There was a lot of homage, but that is all.
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I vagelely recall some Shrug of God that implied this was the case on part of the developers.
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quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: Blayne, for the love of God can you PLEASE use real words to say things?
It's your own fault that you keep reading his posts. Blayne has made it crystal clear that if you are not fluent in TVT, you are not part of the intended audience for his posts.
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Ahh, actually it's referring to a different conversation about the same movie, sorry Raymond.
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I didn't think Last Airbender was that bad. Some of the acting was stiff, but not more so than that of other okay movies. The big problem I had was that I couldn't keep track of who everybody was. (I've never watched the cartoon.)
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I had to leave during the expository scene following the appalling "EARTHBENDERS! THERE'S EARTH ALL AROUND YOU!" scene.
When we had the extreme close-ups of Ah-ng, Katara, and Soak-ka, and we're treated not just to terrible exposition but also to bizarre, inhuman repetition of that exposition. It was just too much.
Aang: They said I couldn't have a family. Katara: Why did they say you couldn't have a family? Aang: That's what I asked! They said I couldn't have a family because...
And I knew that it was time to go. Plus, we were hungry, and the movie wasn't distracting us from our hunger.
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Oh Lord, the repeats of the dialogue were horrible.
Five minutes in -
Character 1: wow, that flash of light will draw the attention of everybody around.
Flash to a mysterious man on a ship: Wow, look at that Light shining, let's get it.
Flash back to character 1, and his attacked village. "Those people here aren't here by coincidence. They're here because of that flash of light. You know, the one we saw 2 whole minutes ago. Yeah, that one. They're definetly here because of that.
The dialogue was bad. Through the whole movie.
Also, it was my understanding that in the series, all of the imprisoned Earth Benders were on a ship made of plastic or something, so that they couldn't break out by using their earth bending skills.
Oh, and the special effects were bad, too. I thought they looked cheesy. And the fight scenes were stupid; I could see them *not hitting each other*. That was abhorant. I've seen stage combat live that was better and more convincing than the battles they had in this movie.
Oh. Oh. OH! They did Tai Chi for long amounts of time for no apparent reason. It was silly.
And they didn't really talk much about this "Spirit world", though they did assure us it was important. And aparently the dragon wasn't supposed to talk. But it did, which really made some fans angry. I just didn't know why it was talking nonsense and using modern English Colloquialisms.
The end.
PS: Please excuse my fantastic inability to articulate myself intelligently right now. I've just gotten overly excited and eschewed proper grammar and punctuation for a little bit. I'll be back to normal soon. Maybe... [/self-indulgence]
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quote:When we had the extreme close-ups of Ah-ng, Katara, and Soak-ka, and we're treated not just to terrible exposition but also to bizarre, inhuman repetition of that exposition. It was just too much.
Ugh, the close-ups. Did, like, a 3-year-old get a hold of that camera? Or maybe the cameraman was disgruntled.
Also, what 12-year-old boy even thinks about having a family? (By family, I'm assuming a wife and kids.) The movie didn't need to give us a reason for Aang wanting to run away. Anyone with a thread of human understanding would figure it out on their own.
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I can accept crappy movie status, and still be willing to pay five bucks to see this film... but mispronouncing main characters names that were created to spoken in english. I am tempted to destroy my copy of Lady in the Water just to spite M. Night.
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Since you've decided to Take It To The Forums Blayne, I'll tell you why you're Hitting People's Berserk Button.
The Shrug of God comment and indeed most of your tropisms are played straight, and that's convenient. But when you start seeing everybody's comments and think, "This looks like a job for AquaTVTropesman!" It gets Incredibly Frustrating. We've already got words that work just fine for saying just about anything, even if you feel the need to add flourishes. It's like you see TVTropes as Mundane Utility, while the rest of us see it as the Department of Redundancy Department. You're inverting Obfuscating Stupidity. Even I feel the need for a Precision F Strike right about now, but I'm not a Cowboy Cop.
You need to do a Heel Face Turn, and double quick. /tropes
Look maybe the idea of crafting ideas into pithy phrases you can toss into your sentences appeals to your mind. Maybe it helps you say what you want to say. But it's also getting in the way of people caring what you have to say. It's sorta like Ender's game. They have their own battle school slang and it's how they talk. Now if you just rolled up and started using your own slang, you'd be ignored unless you were really charismatic in which case you'd create memes left and right.
If that's what you are trying to do by all means continue. If you are right all the haters will continue to hate but maybe maybe somebody will start using your manner of speaking. That person will convince another to start, and pretty soon in one small way the language changes because of you. But if you want people here to enjoy talking to you, you won't.
I'd rather you talk like a five year old as long as your grammar is correct. TVTropes is fun in that you can see ideas boxed up in phrases as I said before. But it's not designed to be a means of communication. If it was, you'd have something like A Clockwork Orange except it's English with more English slang and no Russian.
People aren't interested in conversing with somebody who changes their manner of speaking that much. It's just too much inconvenience. What's worse is not only are you letting TVTropes change your manner of speaking, you constantly refer to it as some sort of authority when discussing opinions. In the minds of many you are now synonymous with TVTropes. Sorta like Scott R and writing, Ron Lambert and Evangelism, Lisa and Israel. Maybe you want the label, but nobody means it in any friendly sense of the word.
I know you aren't talking about it as much as you used to, I'm not even sure if it's right for me to as you to stop, technically you can talk however you please. But don't expect people to bend over backwards trying to understand you. It's hard enough to communicate on a forum without intentionally obfuscating your point by using references and inside jokes nobody gets.
Well, I should have been studying all this time, and I probably should have fixed up my trope sentences so they flow better, but frankly it gave me a headache trying to do it.
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S'okay. The funny thing about that is that there are more successful authors here-- and more talented writers, too. I guess I just have a bigger mouth than them when it comes to story telling.
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Man, I was totally going to jump on that. (Just between you and me, Scott, BlackBlade totally meant it like that. We were all gabbing and laughing about it earlier.)
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Better to have gabbing be in character than have being associated with good writing be out of character, as BlackBlade secretly indicated! Posts: 17164 | Registered: Jun 2001
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I think the best thing, Blayne, would be to go ahead and still reference TvTropes, but change the manner in which you do so.
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quote:I vaguely recall some Shrug of God that implied this was the case on part of the developers.
Perhaps say:
quote:I vaguely recall reading some quotes from the developers that implied that this was the case, though they were largely non-committal about the whole thing. (On TvTropes, that's called a "Shrug of God")
You still get to reference TvTropes, but you aren't using trope names as a substitution variable for some concept from that site. I strongly doubt anyone would object to those sorts of references. Then they aren't the meat of your posts, but rather just additional flavor.
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I don't think SDA is evangelical having been SDA, but OK...
I reckon I am known for general randomness.
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quote:Since you've decided to Take It To The Forums Blayne, I'll tell you why you're Hitting People's Berserk Button.
Bwha, when did I do this?
quote:The Shrug of God comment and indeed most of your tropisms are played straight, and that's convenient. But when you start seeing everybody's comments and think, "This looks like a job for AquaTVTropesman!" It gets Incredibly Frustrating. We've already got words that work just fine for saying just about anything, even if you feel the need to add flourishes. It's like you see TVTropes as Mundane Utility, while the rest of us see it as the Department of Redundancy Department. You're inverting Obfuscating Stupidity. Even I feel the need for a Precision F Strike right about now, but I'm not a Cowboy Cop.
You need to do a Heel Face Turn, and double quick. /tropes
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quote:Originally posted by Geraine:
quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: The caps lock is extremely unnecessary, Blayne. Please edit that to normal case?
Also Syn I can definitely say a remake of FF7 wouldn't be awesome. The last remotely decent Final Fantasy was 3 (fanboys call it 6, but my SNES cartridge says 3, dagnabbit.)
Sorry Blayne, I have to agree with Dan. FF7 is overhyped. For most fanboys, FF7 was either the first Final Fantasy game they ever played, or the game that introduced them to the RPG genre.
The story is ok, but not great. It is about an Emo kid and a guy with mommy issues. Tifa's character design puts Barbie to shame (not to mention the back issues she must have!) and Aeris acts like a love drunk 13 year old. Barrett is a mix between Mr. T and (insert random rapper name here). The rest of the characters are forgettable and really do not add anything to the story. The only character that is remotely cool is Red XIII.
A remake would be great....With a completely different cast and script.
Final Fantasy VI was great. Final Fantasy V was as well. I also enjoyed Final Fantasy IX. Tactics is still one of my favorite games, and revolutionized the SRPG genre.
As someone whose played and beaten FFI I take offense to this, and also just because it became overhyped doesn't make it a bad game, that's Hype Backlash, it is still on its own merits for its time a genuinely objectively great game.
A) Pionered CGI cutscenes and 3D gameplay from FF6's 2d 16bit character designs. Kinda like how Mario 64 changed stuff before that.
B) Scifi focus in FF which was steampunk previously, awesome way to breakout the genre and encourage some experimentation.
C) You cannot criticize the character design without remembering context, the polygons for when the designs are roughly a result of the limitations of the engine. Her actual breast size is much more reasonable as shown in Advent children (B cup I think, no more than C).
quote:It is about an Emo kid and a guy with mommy issues.
Cloud's angst is hardly emo, he's not given enough credit for the growth he goes through as a character throughout the game, and remember at the beginning when he was amnesiac he was actually fairly upbeat and cheerful.
quote:and Aeris acts like a love drunk 13 year old.
I see her more as an Yamato Nadeshiko/Team Mom, the relationship between her and cloud or lack there of was to me something more of an unrequited crush on Cloud's end and something of a replacement goldfish friendship on Aeris's. (I will kill the next mofo who uses "Aerith")
quote:Barrett is a mix between Mr. T and (insert random rapper name here).
First of all how is this a bad thing even if true? Secondly he seemed more like a Mr T and Angry Black guy cross, Berret never rapped afaik, just swore alot and loudly. His back story was also to my mind fairly deep, he was the leader of AVALANCH after all and the reasons driving it were fairly thoughtout and for the time refreshing.
quote:The rest of the characters are forgettable and really do not add anything to the story. The only character that is remotely cool is Red XIII.
Shennanigans! I call this out as subjective opinion, many people have their own favorites from the shippers who prefer Aerith to Tifa (or Aerith WITH Tifa), Cid has his own dedicated fanbase (he freakin better as hes the ensemble darkhorse in nearly everygame), Yufie's a freaking NINJA kleptomaniac that would put Tasslehoff to shame, seriously if your willing to go through the backstories to each of the characters they get fairly interesting past their introductions.
Look, look, I can see how much of what made FF7 unique and excellent may not cut the same grass as well now as before, that's understandable everything in the story that was fresh then has been tried, bulldozed, and purged with fire and salt in many other games since then and yes I can see how some of the bad direction in games may have something originated with FF7.
But this doesn't make it a bad game, just a game that hasn't aged as well as say Earthbound.
For when it was released it was probably the closest thing to solid gold ever released on console and the fact that it made the PS1 and by extension the PS2 the outstanding successes they are is credence to this.
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