quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I do not think you can kind anything objectively wrong or objectionable that isn't rooted in bias.
What? Assuming you meant 'find' for 'kind,' what on earth does that have to do with anything? Why do you keep bringing up 'objectivity' in places where it's a completely irrelevant counterpoint?
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I don't want to fall into the trap of arguing this here, but, yes. When it comes to talk about interpreting a movie as good or bad, whinging about "objectivity" is useless. Especially when your own position is notoriously subject to overwhelming bias.
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quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: I feel like that could be debated. There are plenty of actors who have succeeded in roles which require them to play an older character. An example which comes to my mind is Daniel Day-Lewis's performance throughout There Will Be Blood.
His character in that film ranges in age between, say, around 40 and around 60. He was 50. That is not an unreasonable age range for many actors. RDJ is 46. The role is 60-65+, that's a bigger leap, particularly for a known actor.
Granted, it would be nice to cast Rackham younger in order to incorporate some footage of him as the commander he had once been. For that reason alone, it might be worth casting a younger actor who could age up to the role. But there is also the matter of audience awareness to consider. Audiences know Downey's age, and unlike with DDL, he is known by audiences as a man in his 40s, so casting him drastically older would be a strain on the suspension of disbelief that wouldn't be necessary, unless you *needed* to cast him in the middle of a broader age range.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I do not think you can kind anything objectively wrong or objectionable that isn't rooted in bias.
What? Assuming you meant 'find' for 'kind,' what on earth does that have to do with anything? Why do you keep bringing up 'objectivity' in places where it's a completely irrelevant counterpoint?
No, see, every single post has to be taken as if it is the first. Prior experience, even A LOT of prior experience, is merely "bias," which is bad. You need to just believe in everything he says, all the time. See?
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quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: I feel like that could be debated. There are plenty of actors who have succeeded in roles which require them to play an older character. An example which comes to my mind is Daniel Day-Lewis's performance throughout There Will Be Blood.
I feel like Lewis would make a solid Rackham. Another good actor would be Nick Nolte. He has the "Old man who can kick your ass" look to him, just like Lewis.
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: Blayne, don't see Last Airbender. Just... don't. Samp didn't have to eat his hat for a reason. It wasn't even close. He didn't even have to nibble on the bill. Seriously, that movie has no redeeming qualities.
Watch a few clips on youtube if you're really not sure you believe us.
As a person entirely inexperienced with the actual storyline or anime versions of the movie, and who rented it solely because her 6-year-old picked it for "family movie time", I have to say I didn't think it was all that awful. It was relatively entertaining even if it didn't feel like a "whole" movie since the ending didn't resolve anything. I was actually able to sit through the whole thing.
MovieBob's review of it I feel is the most objective and nuanced and seems comparable to my brothers view of it; the movie is GREAT to look at, as a technical director M Night did great, but the narrative is terrible, it should have been a 2 and a half hour movie and they could have done a much better job in fitting the first season into it; there's no excuse for it to be only 1.3 hours long.
From there it gets worse, the acting was bad or stilted for the most part except for maybe Aang's character (according to my brother) and Soka's character didn't have any of the comedic aspect to it that made his character fun and interesting to contrast with his Arrogant Kungfu Guy tendancies; then there's the casting, I can see where they were going with the creative license in changing what each nation's reflected real worl ethnicity; firenations Tang China/Imperialist Japan to Indian, Earth to Chinese... from... Chinese... Water Tribe to White people from Canadian inuit and I'm not sure what they made the Air Nomads from the Tibetan influence but it is a reasonable divergence.
The problem is that this is hollywood, who aren't known for their progressive casting of minorities, especially when it comes to Asians. They should have stuck to the source material.h
Which is what worries me about Ender's Game, it was mostly composed of (Eur)Asian students demographically, a majority Chinese with dissaproportionate Thai presence, will Hollywood stay true to something that was only indirectly alluded to when they couldn't even stay true to it to something that was the heart and soul of the original source material? (Avatar)
All in all MovieBob says Avatar for fans of the show was at LEAST worth seeing even if he couldn't give it a pass as a movie. I'ld settle for something "Better than Last Airbender".
Ultimately I might have to just get good at drawing manga and adapt it myself.
fake edit: I would squee very hard for James Edward Olmos as Mazer. I think patrick stewart could do Graff.
It's very disconcerting to see you making so many assertions about a film you haven't actually seen.
Seriously, man, it's... terrible.
Google up moviebob and last airbender and escapist magazine.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: *sigh*
I don't want to fall into the trap of arguing this here, but, yes. When it comes to talk about interpreting a movie as good or bad, whinging about "objectivity" is useless. Especially when your own position is notoriously subject to overwhelming bias.
Dude, I wasn't referring to the movie, I was referring to his mocking incomprehension towards the thought that I might adapt it myself one day be able to adapt Ender's Game myself into my preferred medium.
Its very clear, if he couldn't think of something nice to say, even if he's skeptical/dubious of its possibility, he should keep his mouth shut.
Secondly, there's an entire market called "doujinshi" where people publish fanworks for profit, or at least to reimburse the cost of distribution (usually at Comiket, but there's certainly a north american equivilent). The Touhou Project comes to mind.
But regardless, thats not the point, I keep thinking one day I might want to get into animation from drawing (who knows, maybe I can get an internship at a Studio after my JET contract expires), it could open the way towards making a legal adaption of some kind if I could acquire the rights.
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What on earth does "objectivity" have to do with any of that?
Regardless, I am sure you will take time off from your rigorous schedule of being an MP to adapt Enders Game into a self drawn manga, once you get back from JET, and have also flown to the moon.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Its very clear, if he couldn't think of something nice to say, even if he's skeptical/dubious of its possibility, he should keep his mouth shut.
Don't egg them on...it is rather outside the norm to expect people to respond positively to the idea of you "adapting Ender's Game"...after you learn how to draw, that is...into a manga. It is an over the top claim, and unless you want to get into a big fight, about every detail, perhaps you should consider just letting it drop dude.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: What on earth does "objectivity" have to do with any of that?
Regardless, I am sure you will take time off from your rigorous schedule of being an MP to adapt Enders Game into a self drawn manga, once you get back from JET, and have also flown to the moon.
Go screw yourself. What acting ability did David Tennant have visible or trained when as a child he wanted to play the Doctor? What writing ability beyond Doctor Who fanfiction did Steven Moffat have when similarly as a kid he wanted to one day direct Doctor Who?
There is relevence to objectivity, no one can objectively claim "this goal of yours is stupid." Saying so is simply spreading shit around. He decided to spread shit around and that was the fullest extent of his contribution, as is yours. Because you have nothing better to do, whereas I do have something better to do, which is to slowly but inevitably work towards those goals.
So stop shitting up the thread if you can't positively contribute.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Google up moviebob and last airbender and escapist magazine.
Strange, I just did that and I've been informed that not does anime suck, but Europa Universalis and Eve have been quantitatively proven to be inferior to Total War.
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What, the ****, is wrong with you?
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Blayne, I admit I don't understand the drive to work in someone else's world. Why not make your own stuff up, and pursue that?
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quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: I feel like that could be debated. There are plenty of actors who have succeeded in roles which require them to play an older character. An example which comes to my mind is Daniel Day-Lewis's performance throughout There Will Be Blood.
I feel like Lewis would make a solid Rackham. Another good actor would be Nick Nolte. He has the "Old man who can kick your ass" look to him, just like Lewis.
I always pictured Rackham as a bit frail looking, the intensity of the man is all about the face while spending decades in space can hardly allow for a... "healthier" physique that Nolte has. No argument here as to wether or not Daniel Day-Lewis can do it (the man can most parts anyway) but he has never truly struck me as 'old' mature yes but little old man sitting quietly enough on the floor of young boys room to be thought mentally vacant, no.
I just checked and I must not have noticed that Peter Boyle (the old man from Everybody Loves Raymond) passed a while back, I checked because I think he would have been perfect for Mazer Rackham. The way his voice had a complete lack of timidity or apprehension, but with a certain kind of weakness of age in the breaths between sentences is how I hear Rackham's voice.
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quote:Originally posted by Scott R: Blayne, I admit I don't understand the drive to work in someone else's world. Why not make your own stuff up, and pursue that?
They are not mutually exclusive. A lot of writers begin with fanfiction, and a lot of artists started with fan art, a lot of the live drawing sessions at sketchpad at justintv are fan art of Black Rock Shooter or Touhou.
Also I have about a half dozen writing projects and at least three manga projects, one is a spinoff doujin for Doctor Who with original characters, one is a blomic, and the last is an original story.
Mucus, seriously, stop dogpiling, they are perfectly capable of throwing up vomit on the thread themselves they don't need the help, and my response (to google up movie bob) was done on my phone and was referring to his assumption that I was making assertions despite not watching the movie, this is incorrect. As I was referencing MovieBob and the opinion of my brother who did see it, and a certain degree of osmossis that more or less seems to be consistently held among everyone I have talked to people who have seen it.
Your bile inducing pathetic attempt at trolling is a complete non sequitor and can abort itself.
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Blayne, the issue (besides you being an immature poster with anger management problems who will fly off the handle and can be baited by any provocation) is that you always use things like "objectivity" in irrelevant ways. You keep trying to say things like "you cannot OBJECTIVELY say that" or claim that your position is more objectivelier on the movie/game/anime/china political issue and think this shuts other people down, you just do not seem to understand it is not something that you use right, like "de facto and de jure" so it can only help you to break the habit.
Oh what's the point, you'll just continue to do whatever you want and call me names, I fell into the trap again.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: ... the opinion of my brother who did see it, and a certain degree of osmossis ...
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*Google ... I'm feeling lucky*
quote:A baby miraculously conceived through anal intercourse. The sperm, possibly through osmossis, makes its way to the baby-maker, where the fetus develops. The baby, then, travels back into the a**, where it is born through the butthole, presumably covered in s***.
quote:They are not mutually exclusive. A lot of writers begin with fanfiction, and a lot of artists started with fan art
A lot of authors and a lot of artists get caught in the validation provided by fandom and never move out on their own, as it were.
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Except it *is* relevent, your lack of reading comprehension doesn't make it less true that Sam is in no position to judge, or welcome to ridicule my honest intentions. He wasn't constructive, he didn't contribute. He just "whaaaaaaaaat" in a transparently condenscending and mocking fashion. He can be as dubious and skeptical as he likes but he can keep it to himself.
Thus, my point that Sam, lacking in any objectivity in "Blayne matters" shouldn't speak about it, if he's so concerned with the health of the forum then he can not provoke it.
And I do use de jure and de facto correctly. I do not know what the crap you are referring to, but clearly its a ficticious situation.
In fact, in general I don't see at all what you're talking about or what you are referring to, just gridning an ax about a mental image of whatever past conversations of mine you've convinced yourself I've had.
In fact I distinctly recall in a recent conversation a few people defending me and my argument as I had sourced it and had brought forward substantiated points to support my argument. I cannot, at all recall, to what conversation I claimed objectivity towards, unless your simply referring to my authoratative self assured tone, in which case *whoosh* more stuff you are imagining.
Please quote me where I have said "you are not objective about this [China related issue], so I win" or those words, substantiate your accusation or back off.
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quote:Originally posted by Mucus:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: ... the opinion of my brother who did see it, and a certain degree of osmossis ...
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*Google ... I'm feeling lucky*
quote:A baby miraculously conceived through anal intercourse. The sperm, possibly through osmossis, makes its way to the baby-maker, where the fetus develops. The baby, then, travels back into the a**, where it is born through the butthole, presumably covered in s***.
quote:They are not mutually exclusive. A lot of writers begin with fanfiction, and a lot of artists started with fan art
A lot of authors and a lot of artists get caught in the validation provided by fandom and never move out on their own, as it were.
Correlation is not causation, I could just as easily say "a lot of people who want to write never end up writing" and is of about equal validity. Either it happens or it doesn't, there's no russian roullete where by writing fanfiction you can get "trapped" into it, there's no psychological compulsion or addiction that forces you to keep doing it once your comfortable with your level of writing.
Some people are terrible writers who write terrible fanfiction, and since 90% of fanfiction is crude I would say there is a strong link between people who only write fanfiction and their skill being terrible then there is a correlation between writing fanfiction and only possibly writing fanfiction.
There might be a few *good* fanfiction writers, but our sample is limited, maybe what? 5? That anyone might know of? How old are they? Do any of them intend to write? How long we giving them?
The converse is as such equally true, nothing stops a fanfiction writer from eventually writing original fiction.
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Thus, my point that Sam, lacking in any objectivity in "Blayne matters" shouldn't speak about it, if he's so concerned with the health of the forum then he can not provoke it.
What is your standard for "objectivity" in blayne matters? Also, why not? Being concerned with the health of the forum means he can't do anything that provokes you?
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quote:Mucus, seriously, stop dogpiling, they are perfectly capable of throwing up vomit on the thread themselves they don't need the help
What kind of a double standard in demeanor do you have to have where me asking how the "objectivity" of my response is a relevant counterpoint is "throwing up vomit on the thread" and you yet again swearing and going nuts in a thread at the drop of a hat is apparently justifiable in response?
Are you really, really going to be this transparently hypocritical, Blayne?
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Could all parties involved dial back the hostility please? This conversation cannot end well because Blayne doesn't really want to absorb this criticism, and many of the critics offering it do not have a relationship of trust with Blayne.
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What does being in a "relationship of trust" with blayne have to do with being able to point out irrelevant accusations blayne makes? Since he doesn't want to absorb criticism, the solution is to ..... what? Never counter his claims?
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You keep using the word "irrelevent", if Sam is a person who has not constructively engaged with me in the past, how is it not of relevence for me to point out that there is zero standing in which to criticize one of my possibly goals? The lack of a working relationship is of the utmost importance in pointing out that his post was offensive and of negative contribution. Becuase it was a post of mockery and denigration of an aspiration. Of course by definition there is a lack of objectivity and it is of the utmost importance in this instance.
Also strawmaning, i didn't say he shouldnt do anything; what he shouldnt be doing is deliberately posting in ways designed to be provoking. Assuming that is what you meant, your post could be read as "he should be allowed to provoke you." Which is morally bankrupt.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: What does being in a "relationship of trust" with blayne have to do with being able to point out irrelevant accusations blayne makes? Since he doesn't want to absorb criticism, the solution is to ..... what? Never counter his claims?
That is the apparent intent. Blayne gets to theorize about his future as a manga artist, after he does The Jet program, after he finishes college after the nth try, after he moves into an apartment again, after he finishes his 10 hours of gaming, after he adapts his old paper to his new assignment, after he learns Japanese, and DON'T YOU DARE DISPARAGE. You have no reason, other than 7 years of experience, to doubt any of that.
Yes, you have to accept it, or there will be NO TRUST! But if you have an opinion about anything, don't share it. You're wrong.
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Blayne, you wouldn't be satisfied unless someone disparaged your ridiculous plans, and fed into your complex of persecution being the only reason you haven't accomplished your goals. that way it's not your fault you only like to talk about doing things you will never actually do.
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quote:Originally posted by Parkour: What does being in a "relationship of trust" with blayne have to do with being able to point out irrelevant accusations blayne makes? Since he doesn't want to absorb criticism, the solution is to ..... what? Never counter his claims?
I didn't speak to whether or not I will permit posters to point out flaws in other poster's comments. I said that it was getting too hostile, and also mentioned that these criticisms will probably not have their intended effect, (assuming your intention is to actually correct behavior) as the person on the receiving end does not trust or put much stock in your motives.
Don't mistake my saying, "This isn't going to work" with "I'm ordering you to stop."
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quote:You keep using the word "irrelevent", if Sam is a person who has not constructively engaged with me in the past, how is it not of relevence for me to point out that there is zero standing in which to criticize one of my possibly goals? The lack of a working relationship is of the utmost importance in pointing out that his post was offensive and of negative contribution.
Good lord, so little of that made sense.
The problem with telling people that they 'shouldn't be deliberately posting in ways designed to be provoking' is that you take a wide swath of valid criticisms and judge them to be 'morally bankrupt' — it's never about you taking responsibility for your own unacceptable outbursts, it's always about provocation. What others shouldn't be allowed to do. And when one takes a look at the huge laundry list of mundane things that you respond to with various degrees of juvenile hostility, your demands about what other people have to do for the sake of not setting you off start to look ridiculous.
quote:Also strawmaning, i didn't say he shouldnt do anything
Mm. You've repeatedly said that I should have no grounds to criticize, that I should either be nice or shut up.
quote:Becuase it was a post of mockery and denigration of an aspiration. Of course by definition there is a lack of objectivity and it is of the utmost importance in this instance.
it's become clear that you constantly talk up unrealistic goals that will never happen, to the point where it becomes a bit surreal. Whether or not deadpan humor is taken in these observations (to note: I'm glad to know that you're apparently not too far off from being MP material, be sure to keep us updated on that) doesn't mean that someone criticizing these obviously unrealistic self-appraisals gets to be shunted into your 'by definition lack of objectivity' netherworld (which still doesn't really mean anything) that allows it to be automatically invalidated as .. well, whatever you're invalidating it as that day.
Man, not that I even bothered. It's best to stick with just what I did comment about before being called a threadvomiter who doesn't need help vomiting on threads or whatever, and that's responding to the notion that the way to fix Last Airbender's problems was to make it longer (it is a stupid notion, the end).
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quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: Can we get back to the original topic of this thread: Why the movie is no good?
Assuming, of course, that 2013 is the Really Real For Real Date for Release this time around, it is a movie wherein gavin hood and summit entertainment are going to try to be able to shoulder the unusually high challenges of a serious movie about ten year old super-mega-genius children having dialogue mostly between themselves or other children in a book for those and multiple other reasons is not particularly easily suited towards a good movie imagining. Therefore, on the part of many, well-founded pessimism.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: ... what he shouldnt be doing is deliberately posting in ways designed to be provoking.
If someone is the forum equivalent of a big red button, the last thing they should probably do is not put the words "do not press" on themselves. (The second last thing is probably to not make pressing the red button really fun*)
* Which of course implies that there's a win-win scenario, someone pressing the button either gets a pay-off, or you choose not to rampage (thus denying the pay-off)
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Blayne, please realize that while some of the other's comments were borderline (some more then others) offensive, it is you who has been injecting most of the hostility, demands, rudeness, profanity and over the top-ness into this thread.
Just take a break from this thread and let this whole thing blow over, okay?
It is good that you have aspirations, and we will root for you, just keep in mind that sometimes you come off a bit grandiose (I know, as I do too at times.) and that sometimes people just get a bit put off by it. You basically said that everyone else would fail at making EG into a good visual format, but that you would succeed.
Regardless, further pressing the issue here will do nothing but dig the hole deeper. Please bow out gracefully and return when you can overlook this unfortunate side road.
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quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: The 3rd scumbag of hatrack strikes again.
I wasn't aware that we were assigning numbers, whats the deadline to buy our team jerseys? Sounds like a good hockey team "The Hatrack Scumbags"
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quote: You basically said that everyone else would fail at making EG into a good visual format, but that you would succeed.
I never actually said this. And loads significantly more meaning into what I actually said than obviously intended.
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quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: Are you willing to dip your hat in mustard based on that surmise?
Unsure, as of yet. I doubt it will be good, but this is different from being sure it will be bad — as was the case once I heard who was directing TLA.
That, and I can be absolutely positive that even if the movie comes out and is decidedly mediocre or poor, the conversation here will be split between people talking about how it could have been better versus people talking about how it was
TOTALLY
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FANGASM
and I don't think that rollicking environment needs a hatbet in the middle of it, so
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quote: You basically said that everyone else would fail at making EG into a good visual format, but that you would succeed.
I never actually said this. And loads significantly more meaning into what I actually said than obviously intended.
Yes...you didn't say this...exactly. Sorry. But it was in the same vein...Hollywood struggles...I'll handle it, kinda deal. But that wasn't my main point now was it?
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Good call, Samp. I pretty much agree with you that it is unlikely to be good, but may not necessarily be bad. Hatbets are best left for the Last Airbenders and Ultraviolets of the world.
PS: Blayne, I knew who Moviebob is, and have rarely, if ever, been impressed with his assessments of movies. That he was your primary source of info on Last Airbender, I already knew. I was questioning your ability to make such assertions about a film you haven't seen and which every critic who isn't a massive neckbeard has brutally panned... and I stand by my previous state of bafflement.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Google up moviebob and last airbender and escapist magazine.
Strange, I just did that and I've been informed that not does anime suck, but Europa Universalis and Eve have been quantitatively proven to be inferior to Total War.
Ruined by lack of the word "only."
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: Good call, Samp. I pretty much agree with you that it is unlikely to be good, but may not necessarily be bad. Hatbets are best left for the Last Airbenders and Ultraviolets of the world.
PS: Blayne, I knew who Moviebob is, and have rarely, if ever, been impressed with his assessments of movies. That he was your primary source of info on Last Airbender, I already knew. I was questioning your ability to make such assertions about a film you haven't seen and which every critic who isn't a massive neckbeard has brutally upanned... and I stand by my previous state of bafflement.
All I can think of is that I called Moviebob a neckbeard. That's a singular slur, and an arguable one at that. Heck, one of my best friends is a neckbeard. If the shoe fits...
Unless you're objecting to my sullying the good names of such films as Ultraviolet and Last Air... yeah I can't even finish that sentence with a straight face.
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Good lord guys, y'all are letting the big screen travesty that was The Last Airbender start this post war?!? Don't we have some topics that are actually worth arguing about?!?
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quote:Originally posted by Nighthawk: Good lord guys, y'all are letting the big screen travesty that was The Last Airbender start this post war?!? Don't we have some topics that are actually worth arguing about?!?
Lol, this guy has a point.
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That he does!
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_Frank: What slurs?
All I can think of is that I called Moviebob a neckbeard. That's a singular slur, and an arguable one at that. Heck, one of my best friends is a neckbeard. If the shoe fits...
Unless you're objecting to my sullying the good names of such films as Ultraviolet and Last Air... yeah I can't even finish that sentence with a straight face.
My incorrect use of 's' aside, neckbeard I consider to be one of those words that is fine if its used in an ironic or self depreciating context if okay, but definatly a slur when used in any other way. If you are not yourself a 'neckbeard' (regardless of whether you possess a beard) or a member of the SA forums which amounts to basically the samething, I can't help but think of the people using it in anything other than a discriminatory fashion; like an Lite N-word.
When you referred to movieBob as a neckbeard I couldn't help but believe that you think of 'neckbeards' in anything other than a denigratory fashion.
"I can't be racist because I had a black friend" excuse doesn't work here either.
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In order for it to carry the weight of insult, there is a certain threshold of understanding and acceptance the word has to cross. You could poll this community, but I'm fairly sure you'd find nobody else with strong feelings about the word, or a clear idea of what group of people identifies with or feels insulted by it.
Also "denigratory" is not the appropriate word. Nor, in fact, a word I have ever seen used in print, though it does exist. "Disparaging," is more appropriate. Neckbeards are not a race- and they are not exclusive to the SA forums, according to the understanding of many people.
And despite however much you may wish it to be so, a subculture of gaming does not garner nor does it deserve sensitivity akin to that of racial awareness. It is acceptable to make disparaging comments about neckbeards, in the way that it is acceptable to make disparaging comments about hipsters. It's a subculture one may or may not find tasteful.
And a subculture is not a culture. There are different rules.
Leave it to a neckbeard to get sensitive about being called a neckbeard.
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