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mbwood
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Hey, Utah;

send it my way. I'll read it. mbwood

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Well its gone, just under the wire again. Thanks for the read mb, great comments, I didn't get them all incorporated, but they helped make it a better story. I would like to have some physics discussions sometime.
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I know I didn't do the crit group this time, but I did submit a story. I'm staying in the loop because it's a story that HM'd with KDW. It's also gotten some good feedback from other places. So I thought it might be a good data point to see how Dave Farland responds to it, better, worse or the same. I'll let you know when I hear.
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And sorta of too bad you didn't wait there are five to seven of us who are doing that for Four.

I think you could still place your name on the list of those who sent a story in.

Speaking of which is there a list for those who sent a story in?

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Here's the list as near I can tell:

Utahute72
LDWriter2
Genevieve42
Crank
OSWAM

A few others I wasn't sure about so feel free to expand the list.

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Utahute72
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Jennifer Hicks

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Utahute72
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Utahute72
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Jennifer Hicks
Strycher
rabirch (if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)

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Utahute72
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mbwood
Jennifer Hicks
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rabirch (if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)
MJNL

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Utahute72
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Genevieve42
Crank
OSWAM
Axeminister
mbwood
Jennifer Hicks
Strycher
rabirch (if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)
MJNL
mrmeadors (holy smokes I'm alive! subbed at the last minute)

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quote:
Originally posted by rabirch:
(if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)

That's my understanding. If it's some other list, I may need to be removed . . . [Big Grin]
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Dave Farland's Daily Kick:

No awakening beginnings. They won't make it through the first 13. My entry? awakening beginning. It's different that usual, but he was pretty adamant.

Read his Daily Kicks. He's telling us what will work with him and what won't.

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This is just a list of those that entered into Quarter 3.
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Utahute72
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Genevieve42
Crank
OSWAM
Axeminister
mbwood
Jennifer Hicks
Strycher
rabirch (if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)
MJNL
mrmeadors
A Yeatts

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quote:
Owasm: No awakening beginnings. They won't make it through the first 13. My entry? awakening beginning.
Just before submitting one of my stories to WotF, I 'adjusted' an awakening beginning scene to where my MC had a waking hallucination instead. The story earned an HM, but I do not know if my adjustment earned that placement or kept me from an even higher ranking. It will be curious to see if Mr. Farland allows for such variations of the 'awakening' approach. Of course, my Q3 entry didn't have that kind of an opening, so I'm safe this time. [Big Grin]

S!

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quote:
Originally posted by A Yeatts:
Utahute72
LDWriter2
Genevieve42
Crank
OSWAM
Axeminister
mbwood
Jennifer Hicks
Strycher
rabirch (if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)
mrmeadors
A Yeatts
Greenroom

Added myself and removed MJNL.
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(Hi all, haven't posted here in eons. Hope you're all doing well!)

quote:
Originally posted by A Yeatts:
Utahute72
LDWriter2
Genevieve42
Crank
OSWAM
Axeminister
mbwood
Jennifer Hicks
Strycher
rabirch (if this is just a list of who submitted to Q3)
mrmeadors
A Yeatts
Greenroom
Grayson Morris

I have little hope regarding my Q3; my Q2 got a flat rejection from DF, and I think the two stories have stylistic similarities. Of course, maybe he rejected on something other than style. As far as I can tell, it wasn't any of the things he's listed in his Daily Kicks (unless we have differing opinions of "penetration" and other squiggly concepts, which is entirely possible). Ah, well, upward and onward.
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quote:
have little hope regarding my Q3; my Q2 got a flat rejection from DF, and I think the two stories have stylistic similarities. Of course, maybe he rejected on something other than style. As far as I can tell, it wasn't any of the things he's listed in his Daily Kicks (unless we have differing opinions of "penetration" and other squiggly concepts, which is entirely possible).
I have no idea about mine. My Q2 was different from a lot of my stories. At least the setting was anyway, some of the over coming emotional baggage may have been the same. So Q3 well (shudder shrug) depends what he feels about flashbacks and if he considers the opening cliche-ish. It could be.

And it still is basically my writing too.

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My Q3 was just plain....well, weird isn't the right word, but I honestly have no idea if it will do well or not.
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I've read the work of two of the Q1 Winners (including the story that placed first) and one of the Q2 Finalists. If their writing provides a base line for what to expect in future Finalist selections, I think it's safe to say my Q3 isn't going to impress DF. I'm not sure that I have anything in me for Q4 that will impress him either. So, I guess I'm back to writing for my own amusement. [Wink]
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quote:
I've read the work of two of the Q1 Winners (including the story that placed first) and one of the Q2 Finalists.
Me too. How bizarre. Like we travel in the same circles or something. [Razz]

Axe

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quote:
Originally posted by axeminister:
quote:
I've read the work of two of the Q1 Winners (including the story that placed first) and one of the Q2 Finalists.
Me too. How bizarre. Like we travel in the same circles or something. [Razz]

Axe

I think that's actually the real benefit of these forums. Swapping stories and then seeing who gets what placement is about as good as actually reading the anthologies.
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I've critiqued the second place story in Q2 for two years running, but not this year. No one whose story I read has told me they're a finalist.
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I've ramped up my get-critiques efforts and found a couple of new crit-mates who aren't afraid to be ruthless. I'm really pleased to have found them!

I may also join the Q1 v30 critique group here -- I think I'm too late for Q4, and I'm about to go on vacation, making me even later. At this point I'm feeling like it's a good idea to get as much feedback as I can on my stories. In the past I've had one or two people read them, but honestly, most people are afraid to step on your toes. I WANT toe-steppage, people! It's the only way to step up my game from decent to awesome.

And feedback from many people also helps highlight what's individual quirk, and what's a fundamental problem with the story itself.

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quote:
Originally posted by JenniferHicks:
I've critiqued the second place story in Q2 for two years running, but not this year. No one whose story I read has told me they're a finalist.

And I was very bummed this turned out to be true. [Big Grin]
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quote:
Originally posted by axeminister:
quote:
Originally posted by JenniferHicks:
I've critiqued the second place story in Q2 for two years running, but not this year. No one whose story I read has told me they're a finalist.

And I was very bummed this turned out to be true. [Big Grin]
Ha! I bet you are. Sorry my Q2 magic ran out before it got to you.
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Agreed!

Now I have to rely on my "Q3" magic as the only Q3 I've ever entered got me my F from last year.

*shakes dice*

Axe

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Well, if David's estimate of how long he wanted to work on his stuff was correct he should start reading for Q3 tomorrow. If he goes as quick as he did for Q2 we might be start getting the first rejections a week later.


And Joni said something about that they should be back on schedule next quarter. I think it will more like the quarter after.

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Boy no News,,. David is not following the same schedule as last quarter, or he hasn't started reading yet.
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He might be reading slower, or he might not have started (though I doubt it). I'm not going to sweat it yet.
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Yeah, it's too early for stress. As several very wise people have already suggested, I'm turning my attention towards my next project, which, by the way, is not a science fiction project...and I'm wondering if this choice of what to work on next is a subconsciously-driven form of avoiding the entire science fiction realm completely because I don't want to stress over the verdict of my WotF entry? Hmmmm...that would make a good case study...which, knowing me, would lead to a new science fiction project...which would at some point remind me I haven't heard jack about my WotF entry...

My vacation is not approaching fast enough. [Big Grin]

S!

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Not so much stressing as expecting. Maybe they are caught up all the way by now. Joni said it would be soon, I forget if that was this quarter or next. But it seems to me they will need one more quarter but I could be all wet.
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When's he going to start! When's he going to start!

Is this going to be another quarter where he reads and decides on every submission in two weeks?

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The last I heard, DW said in a Facebook post that he was going to start reading Q3 at the start of August. Which means we should get some results soon. I hope.
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That would be nice. I've been holding on to my mellow, but it's starting to fray. [Smile]

(Not expecting anything exciting, though.)

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As far as I know, Dave Wolverton (or Dave Farland) wasn't at ChiCon (the world SF convention), so that isn't the reason for the delay. I did run into Brad Torgersen while there. He was on a couple of panels.
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So what did Brad say?

On an unrelated note, Brad is now squatting in Mike Resnick's house. He reports Mike has so many awards he uses a Hugo for a toliet paper holder.

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Brad was on nine panels (whew!) and I went to the one where he talked about the SF novelette (three markets only) and the marketing issues. Afterwards we talked briefly about novel writing (yes, he is writing a novel) and was interested in the spreadsheet I use to outline a novel, which I sent to him today.
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Update from the WotF forum: A forumite reports having talked with DW at a workshop. He doesn't have the Q3 manuscripts yet but will soon and plans to start judging Q3 next week. So everyone can stop fretting for at least a couple of weeks. Either that or we can let out a collective groan at the confirmation that the wait will go on.

On another note, I finally got my Q2 HM certificate this morning.

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Good for you Jennifer.

But he hasn't gotten them yet??? Yikes.

Looks like another reading marathon for him.

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Here's something to chew on while we're still waiting (and waiting and waiting and waiting) for results: Joni says the number of Vol. 29 submissions is breaking records. That makes it harder to win (darn it!) but also means those stories that do win will be fantastic.
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Heyas, fellow results watchers. [Smile]

Just stopping by to say hello.

mbwood - I see you went to Chicon. Did I meet you there? I don't know your Hatrack handle so I'm not sure if I met you or not.

--Tom

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Hello, ThomasKCarpenter;

I don't believe we met a ChiCon. I did meet Brad Torgersen and later sent him some material for his novel. I've attended WorldCons since '93 and a couple of weeks ago, BoucherCon (mystery writers). If you plan to go to San Antonio, perhaps we could meet then.

Remember the first rule of writing... Write!
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I presume everyone got this, but I thought I'd post it in case anyone is having trouble accessing their e-mail.

quote:
Dear 3rd Quarter Entrants,

I'm sending you this robo e-mail to let you all know that we will have results in a couple of days here. As we have 90% of the quarter judged now I theoretically could be sending out notices but it occured to me that a decent amount of applicants may not even have power right now. So I'd like to wait for a few days while about 1/4 of the United States gets back to battery (no pun intended). If you are in New York City, New York state, or New Jersey, or Virginia, or Connecticut or any where on the Eastern Seaboard and you got this notice, please let me know. That means I can send out results sooner than I thought. I'm just trying to be considerate here and don't want a considerable number of people to not get their notices. I know you all want to know the results as soon as possible. I'm trying to make that happen while also being considerate of those who have just been through God only knows what!!!!

P.S. Please don't write to me if you are in California, or some other place that is pretty dry right now -- That includes all of you in Texas!!! [Wink]

Best,

Joni


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Hmm, I hadn't gotten it as of an hour or so ago. Probably be there when I check in a few minutes.


Thanks for posting it.

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I got Joni's e-mail. That was considerate of her to let us all know where the quarter stands, and to wait a few more days because of what's going on in the East. I do have to wonder what 90 percent means. Are there entries still unread? Or is DW down to sorting the semis and finalists? Or is he complete done and only the finalist judging is left? I guess we'll know in a few days.
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Hi, for you folk out west, I believe Joni's epistle was an expression of concern and sympathy for those suffering in the cold without power, facing a tough time just trying to get back to a normal life. When faced with this type of situation, writing becomes a low priority...

Power only came back today after failing on Monday, and I'm a lucky one. Tens of thousands (in the Greater Cleveland area) remain without power, with flooding in low-lying areas and roads still blocked by fallen trees with temperatures dipping into the low forties. Survival becomes important.

As bad as it is here, the east coast is far, far worse and will take a long to get back to normal. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to them.

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quote:
Originally posted by mbwood:

As bad as it is here, the east coast is far, far worse and will take a long to get back to normal. My heart, thoughts and prayers go out to them.

This East Coaster (and former Cleveland resident, and die-hard Browns fan) thanks you. Fortunately we came through it unscathed, but we have many downed trees in our neighborhood, amazingly none fell on houses, though one fell across our street and knocked a utility pole akilter. One coworker did end up with a tree falling on her house but fortunately none were hurt.

I will say that the power companies are doing a much better job for us this year than last with Irene and the October snowstorm. We had about half the power outages of last year and all but 20,000 homes in Massachusetts are restored as of today.

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