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Thanks a lot Rivka, you're pointing out the spoileriness of it made me dwell on Pop's suggestion as a spoiler rather than something else. Posts: 4089 | Registered: Apr 2003
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Ender's Legacy because this book would be when everyone first started hating him due to his books and that is his Legacy.
I liked Papa Moose's Ender's Fall but Personally I think the Fall of Ender sounds better.
Possibly Ender in Exile ?
Ender's Love -He could fall in love with the child. Not in a sexual way but possibly as a parental figure.
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Serious Ender Amongst the Stars Ender's Rise Ender's Calling or Ender's Call
Not quite so serious as the above serious Ender's Life Ender's Reality The Decline and Fall of Ender Wiggins Ender Wiggins: Bug Exterminator
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But, sm, . . . it WASN'T his suggestion that was the spoiler. It was an entirely different word choice that he made.
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Ender's Gift Ender's Point Ender's Cross Ender: Shadowboxing Ender in Shadow Ender's Wounds Ender's Scar Life After Death: A Tale of Ender and Bean or maybe: From Death, Life: A Tale of Ender and Bean Ender's Mirror Ender's Failure Ender's Awakening Ender's Rebirth Ender: Birth and Rebirth Ender's Key Ender's Vision Ender Revised Ender Revisted
I'm Ok, You're Ender The World According To Ender Odds and Enders Ender's Fender Bender My Parents Sent Me to Battle School and All I Got Was This Lousy Xenocide Ender and the Art of Starship Matainence We Must Save Ender's Brain Ender: Funky Disco Bandit How Ender Got His Groove Back Bean's My Baby's Daddy Ender And Valentine On the Road to <Colony Name> Ender's Five O'Clock Shadow
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Ender's Redemption - Ender will be facing the first vesitges of his changed reputation from hero to monster. The redemption will be his ability to redeem Bean's last child.
Ender's Heart - bad pun on Valentine, who will have to be with him, of course. Ignore this, I couldn't help myself.
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You know, strangely enough, Dagonee, I like your last idea, if your single word title was truly a suggestion. I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but for an important novel such as this one, the profound title "Ender" on the cover may be just what it needs.
Or maybe I'm just weird.
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No, it was a failed deletion, which now I can't edit because you noticed.
But it might work. Ender has to decide to leave, and then he has to decide to become itinerant. If this novel accomplishes both, then the title might be good, because the next title choronologically is "Speaker for the Dead," his adopted title.
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But yeah, I like that title a lot. When the title's start getting too long or too similar to already published works it starts to make them a bit cheesy sounding, in my opinion.
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I personally like Ender's Guilt because somewhere in the book he has to be forgotten and the guilt of young-Ender has to be pushed away from older-Ender. That's just my two cents.
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I can't believe no one as suggested Passion of the Ender yet! Other funny ones: The Ender Identity (followed by The Ender Supremacy) Return of the Ender Ender's Adventure with Mikal's Songbird on Treason
Here is my serious suggestions now: Ender's Choice Ender's Life Ender's Dilemma (referring to his legacy changing from hero to monster) Ender Unmasked
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Any reference to Kansas or Armenia is intended in the nicest possible way.
These are good suggestions, folks - eiher funny-good or useful-good. And it often takes a LOT of suggestions before people come up with the right one.
At the moment, my favorites are:
ender adrift ender ender in exile ender awakening fall of ender
but we're saving them ALL, since we don't have any rush to make a decision.
Meanwhile, of course we can't have ender do a speaking in this book, because he explicitly doesn't do one till InvC; sorry I forgot. But no sweat, we've got a good basic mix. It's a situation fraught with opportunity <grin>.
Meanwhile, I'm deeply fond of all the impossible titles, as well. Though the idea is to have a title that differentiates this book from all the others, not one that will confuse everybody (like "Ender's Giant Shadow," which would make it impossible for anyone ever to tell any of the books apart). <grin>
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This book should end the same way Spike Lee decided to end Malcolm X, with 10 or 15 minutes of tear-jerkingly boring scenes of kids standing up all-over the hundred worlds saying "I am Ender Wiggin" with a low voice-over proclaiming how great Ender was and that his spirit still lives on (and in this case, he'll be right!)
I suppose at some level it depends on the proposed interaction of Randi/Achille II and Ender and Val...
Naturally I assume confict, if for no other reason and a simple story of "Uncle Ender" coming to the rescure of poor abused, deluded Achille II would make for a lifetime tv special, but not an especially good book. But that's just me...
Being that Ender has already saved humanity from the buggars, it's not like he has a whole lot to prove, however if he is still dealing with his guilt from the hive queen, wait, that's depressing... blah...
What is it about this kid that Ender is going to like/dislike... what motivated the characters...
Sooner or later the sins of the father comes to rest upon the head of the child...
Ender & the children of the legume Ender & the one that got away Ender's Adversary Ender's Foe Ender's Child Ender & Briseis
While Briseis is a reference to Petra from SofH, it also could be used to describe Randi, who has found her captivity to Achilles (though self-imposed) to be sweet. She could be called the wedded wife of Achilles, in death, if not in life. But that is an insanity I assume OSC will tread upon in the yet to be written novel.
Well, I appear to just be rambling now... so... (clicks the post button)
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I have to voice my opinion about using Ender the Xenocide. It's a pretty big change, from the lauded boy hero of Ender's Game, to reading Speaker for the Dead and finding that boy now reviled by everyone. Even in SOTG, there's beginnings of calling Ender the Xenocide. Perhaps this link could also explore the development of Ender from the hero to the evil in the minds of the masses. It's this transformation, it seems, that sends Ender to being a Speaker.
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I just wanted to say I would really appreciate it if the following titles do not get seriously considered:
Million Dollar Ender The United States of Ender Of Mice and Ender
Okay?
(Think I'm seriously overdue for a day off. And time for some enjoyable reading, come to think of it.)
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If you're going to go the exile route, why not simplify it to Ender's Exile? That way you get the traditional "Ender's" in there.
That gets my vote.
And as cool as Shadows in Flight is, I was always kind of hoping for Children of the Shadow - it parallels both the titles of the Shadow series, plus parallels the final Speaker book - signifying a nice little connection between them both. It's as if you took "Children of the Mind" and "Ender's Shadow", and they met at a mixer, and, years down the road, had a kid. Voila, Children of the Shadow.
sm, I haven't managed to get my hot little hands on SotG either. Which is why I noticed the word -- it (combined with the first few chapters that I read here) made me go "OH!"
And this
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Ender's Curse (you know the whole everyone hates me thing)
Ender's Burden (he carries a lot on his shoulders)
Ender's Hope (he is hoping that getting off Earth will make people forget about the whole Xenocide thing)
Ender, Erased from History (crap)
( I really don't like the whole have to have Ender in the title thing, that really limits possibilites, and in a way its bad publicity; people will think you are just trying to grab their attention because it has Ender's name in it)
Graff's Puppet, Ender Wiggin (referring to his past)
( I ran out of ideas for now)
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PuppetMaster Ender (he kind of controls a lot of important stuff)
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Knight Ender (Ender survives an assasination attempt that everyone thinks kills him. He comes back, with a new face and a souped up spaceship with an AI he calls "Jane" (or KAMA, whichever). They fight crime.)
A Comedy of Enders (Ender's parents tell him that he has a twin brother that they shot into space for some reason and he sets out in pursuit. Upon reaching one planet, he is suprised to find everyone there treats him like they know him. At the same, his twin brother, Bob, is being hassled by people who keep saying they gave him things or he promised to do something for him. Hilarity ensues, until the two brothers meet, reconcile, and open up a donut shop.)
Dr. Valentine and Mr. Peter (Before Ender's two halves got created when he jumped out of space-time, they showed up as the result of Ender's mad experiments in separating out the good genes from the bad ones. Audio version done by Julia Roberts affecting an awful Scottish brogue.)
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Um... yep. Been home blowing up the covenant for a while and the brains working again. Doesn't mean I'm funny or clever but at least something's coming to mind.
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Ender: A space oddyssy. Ender and the chamber of secrets. Ender and the prisoner of Azkaban! Ender and the Goblet of Fire. Ender and the Order of the Pheonix Ender and the Half Blood Prince.
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Why can't Ender do a speaking for the Dead...what if the colony is Moctezuma (or whatever) and Bean's child grows up to be San Angelo. SftD refered to this...(I think I may have characters and places somewhat confused). In which case, I like Speaker Ender.
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The Relative Journey of Ender Wiggin (a little pun on how Ender stays so young and who he meets on his way)
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See now all kinds of VBSers are leaking out of the cracks. We need concrete to keep my kind from getting in! Posts: 6026 | Registered: Dec 2004
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