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Brian J. Hill
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. . . has just been published in the Rhino Times! Unfortunately, you have to be in the Greensboro area and pick up a copy of the print edition to read it. I'm here visiting my brother who lives here, so I picked up my copy yesterday. Nya, nya, nya-nya, nya. [Taunt]
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Just when you thought the hype from wanting to read the book itself had died down...
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Is he pro [Big Grin] or con [Mad] ?
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Bah, I'm going to investigate finding it online
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could someone be nice and scan it? please? [Smile]
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Double please?
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It will be online here on Hatrack on Monday [Smile]
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That's good news. [Smile]
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Huzzah!
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Yeah!!
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Oh come on.....
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Gosu
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ah never mind I guess I'll wait rather than getting a summary and ruining it.
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It's there now.
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Gosu
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Nice.
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The following post will contain HBP spoilers. Ye are forewarned.


I agree as far as the snogging was concerned.

*sigh*

But Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.


HPB SPOILER WARNING!!!!!

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I'd love to believe Dumbledore is really alive. I really really would. But Jo has said time and time again that even in the wizarding world, once you're dead, you're dead. Dumbledore wouldn't have created a horcrux. It's like what Magonagal said way back in book I -- he's just too noble. When it comes right down to it, he's not afraid of dying. It's the next great adventure. [Frown]

I wouldn't mind being wrong, though.

edit: I totally agree about Snape, too.

[ August 21, 2005, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]

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Jonathan Howard
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quote:
Magonagal
[Roll Eyes]
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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Howard:
quote:
Magonagal
[Roll Eyes]
[Roll Eyes] [No No]
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sarcasticmuppet
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Dang it! For some reason I was under the impression that her name was an Mc sound that wasn't really spelled with an Mc.

From book 1:

quote:
McGonagall
I really do know how to spell, honest...

edit: It makes me feel better to point out that OSC called Filch "Finch". So, um, there. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by MidnightBlue:
quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Howard:
quote:
Magonagal
[Roll Eyes]
[Roll Eyes] [No No]
[Wink]
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Jonathan Howard
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quote:
I really do know how to spell, honest...
Sew doo eye, onesst!
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sarcasticmuppet
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O.o

[Smile]

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Jonathan Howard
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[Big Grin] !
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quote:
It's the next great adventure.
I think so too!

As for the Dumbledore debate: I'll decide after I reread the book. It's fun to read everyone's opinions, either way.

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[Big Grin] ya ya ya.

Mr Card if you read this I completely and 95% agree with you.

I only differ on Dumbledore being dead/notdead.

I think Dumbledore was talking to Snape pleadingly not to act but to Beg Snape to actually kill him.

Afterall imho if Dumbledore is dead then Harry will not spiritually/physically/mentally rely on Dumbledore's guidence any further.

Everything else though I 100% agree with not only have I though of things similar (I have a knack to predicting the ends of books/films though Rowling eludes me most often) possibilities myself but because these "geusses" feel right.

So all in all good job. A toast to writers!

[Hat]

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I just opened my copy of HBP. All the words are gone.
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[Laugh]
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quote:
But personally, I hope she has a huge battle inside Harry and that Harry finds a way to subdue Voldemort’s soul-fragment within him through love, which has been established as the most powerful magic of all.

Isn’t that really why we’ve been shown so much of Tom Riddle’s past in this volume? So that when push comes to shove, Harry can overcome his enemy with compassion for his tortured past?

Maybe it's because I read "Magic Street" and "Half-Blood Prince" back to back, but these two paragraphs reminded me of Mack and is relationship to Titania and Oberon.
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"While the ending definitely ends the book, it does not do so in any kind of satisfying way."

hahaha... like uve never done that. [ROFL]

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oh, Burn! [Razz]
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Yup -- that's why I haven't even cracked open the latest Women of Genesis book -- I hate reading one third of a novel and then waiting years for the rest of it.

This might be why I'm not a big fan of Xenocide/CotM -- when I read X, CotM wasn't written yet. I was all kinds of annoyed. "This isn't a novel! This is only half of one![/rant]."

By the time I got to read CotM after my mission, I had years of being annoyed at X. It's hard to overcome that.

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wasnt meant to be a burn, lol. just thought it was funny of him to say that.
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I agree about Dumbledore, sm. I love the evidence OSC cites for his theory, and it gave me the loveliest moment of hope. There is a small part of me that hopes dearly that it is true. The allusion to Christ would be too much for the book burners to ignore and I suspect it would drive them wild.

But I think that it would be a cheat. Harry has been building to this confrontation for 6 years. He may have patronus help...or something similar...but I think he's going to make this final confrontation alone.

Also, while I know it's a popular thought that Harry is himself a horcrux, I find that so hard to believe. Remember, Rowling wrote the ending a long time ago. She began with the end in mind, yet she's only introducing horcruxis now? If it's that critical to the ultimate resolution of the conflict, I can't see her waiting until book 6 to introduce it. But to play devil's advocate on myself, I could see her not wanting to introduce it til the last minute, since any savvy reader would immediately see it as the source of Voldemort's unnatural death-defense. Still, while I honestly don't think Harry is going to live, I don't think he'll be killing himself because he's a horcrux.

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Horcuxes were all kinds of alluded to in previous books, they just weren't named or discussed (it seemed really taboo in book VI). Book II came very close, seeing as how the diary ended up being a horcrux. And there are also a whole lot of references to Harry's scar, and how it gives him a special connection to Voldemort.

I don't think we really know enough about horcruxes to know for sure if Voldemort could unintentionally create one by trying to kill Harry. I don't completely discount OSC's theory, though.

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I also disagree with him about Dumbledore not really being dead. I mean, he was hit with a deadly curse, thrown off the top of the Astronomy Tower, set on fire, and turned into stone. The only way Rowling could have made it more final would be to have Grawp lumber over during the funeral and sit on him.
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lol, but ya anyways the profecy thing.

Does anybody remember the exact quote for it?

"neither can live while the other is alive" is think is the key but I don't know if i have it word for word.

But neithertheless does it mean only one can live or can both die?

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I know absolutely nothing about Harry Potter beyond the first 3 books, and yet I am convinced Snape is not evil. I am glad OSC can back me up on that. [Smile]
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Sid,
Here it comes:
"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the dark lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..."

That's it.

No, I do not know this by heart. I looked it up. If Rowling is asked about the profecy she only says that she and Professor Trelawney have phrased the profecy very carefully.

Elise

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I don't think he is still alive, but, I do think he has put some sort of protection on the school which could be why he was buried in the graveyard, the first headmaster to do that.
But, that is my theory.

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First of all... it's spelt prophecy. There's no 'f'.

** SPOILER WARNING **

** SPOILER WARNING **

** SPOILER WARNING **

As for myself, I found the book to be very empty of any kinds of action. As OSC said, the majority of the book was about certain relationships between male and female characters. Dumbledore was killed very uncerimoniously, and he has said hundreds of times that he has a reason to trust Snape. Snape clearly has some secret or another connecting him to Dumbledore, perhaps a blood relationship, or something similar. However, the fact that Dumbledore was comfortable even when staring down Draco is a huge hole in this argument, because I highly doubt that if there is a conspiracy that Draco himself is in it too. In any case... we wait, and watch the movies as they speed through them.

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yeah, because the movies have all been waaaaaay better than the books... [Roll Eyes]
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the books are way better!!
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Tell me that comment wasn't the only reason you joined Hatrack! [Eek!]

[Wink] Just kidding! Welcome to the rack! [Wave]

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Anyone else get the feeling that HBP was written with the movie that will be made from it in mind? All the "snogging" and the banter (the clever Ron-Hermione one-liners being a major part of the last 3, and Romance=duh).
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mathwiz, I agree. Seriously, I do.
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Was anyone else disappointed by the resolution of the mystery to who the Half Blood Prince was? I felt it a bit of a cheat that she didn't introduce where the "Prince" came from until the mystery was revealed. And why did Snape call himself a half blood, when as a slyterin, it would hardly be a compliment? Self loathing?

I wonder if book 7 is going to give book 6 a lot more meaning than we take it for now.

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JKR gives a LOT of information in her spoilerific interview with the mugglenet and leakycauldron editors. Or, at least enough info to fuel 3 full years worth of conspiracy theories. A few points:

SPOILER WARNING (as if it hasn't been said enough on this thread)

-She mentions we aought to be curious about Dumbledore's family

-she really, really fudges on the question whether Snape is evil

-she doesn't say what Dumbledore would see in the mirror of Erised

-"memories" in the Penseive represent actual reality, uncolored by the owner's biases.

-she has previously indicated that Harry's two-way mirror with Sirius is important to remember.

-she also indicated that questions about Harry's parent's death and exactly what happened in Godric's Hollow are important

-Dumbledore is probably dead (she didn't out and out confirm it, but indicated it) but I still think there was more to his trusting Snape than we think.

That's all I can remember from the interview right now.

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Jeniwren,

Remember, we know almost nothing about Snape's motivations, 'psychology', and little of his family life, except that it was unpleasant.

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We should be curious about Dumbledore's family, ie: father of Snape perhaps?
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Rakeesh, yeah, I know. That's why I felt like it was a bit of a cheat. I figured that the Half Blood Prince had to be a central character...but to have the vital resolving clue be part of the resolution itself was in violation to the rules of good mystery writing. Since I know that Rowling is a good writer, I refuse to believe she'd violate that rule without a really darned good reason. I figure that the clue to that reason is in the name itself, and since we know almost nothing about Snape, the Half Blood Prince must mean more than just a self deprecating title he'd given himself.

Anyway, it's just speculation.

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I also disagree with him about Dumbledore not really being dead. I mean, he was hit with a deadly curse, thrown off the top of the Astronomy Tower, set on fire, and turned into stone. The only way Rowling could have made it more final would be to have Grawp lumber over during the funeral and sit on him.
[ROFL]

Oh, I agree. Dumbledore's dead. Our Hero is on his own, and he will vanquish on his own.

To have Dumbledore come back at the last second and defeat Voldemort in front of and instead of Harry would be really crappy storytelling. I'm wondering why Card thinks Rowling is that bad.

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