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Ok... I must admit something. I'm Goth! Yes... a creature of the night. Walking around in flowing black velvet robes and black makeup. When I'm not working of course. Damn ties and suit coats. Am I a little old for this? Not at all!
After work on the weekends (and sometimes on Wed nights) I'll dress up in my lovely period outfits with my long coat and lots of lace and head out to the goth clubs and listen to industrial/darkwave/gothic music while sipping my jagermister. My favorite place is 'City Club' in Detroit... one of the (if not the) oldest alternative clubs in the nation, over 30 years old now.
How many others are into our lovely Gothic subculture? And what places do you like to hang out?
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I loosely associated with goth culture. I don't hang out with them, sit around in cemetaries, write dreary poetry, or do some of the other stereotypical things. But I do wear a lot of black, like industrial and goth music, hang out at a goth club, and appreciate a bit of counter-culture.
The age range at the local goth club (MyrddinFyre and CalvinMaker have been to it!) is 18 to late 30's. I think there's a group of mid-20's lesbians, a group of 18 year old punks, and a group of mid-30's old-skool, along with all the other cliques. Heh.
What I was amazed to discover early on, is the huge amount of anger, nastiness, and condescension that exists in what I thought would have been an open, accepting community. Pfft, how innocent of me.
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Suneun, I had no idea you were so beautiful!
Um, Goth clubs... I'd go if I knew where one was, and had someone to go with. I have enough clothes to pick from... and , you know, boots and stuff. I wish I didn't look so bad in black. Heh.
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Unfortunately, no, I don't make any clothes. Martha, who posts on hatrack, did make me the poet's shirt in the rogue outfit, but you can't see the shirt very well in that photo. She also made me a dress for faires, but it's not gothy so it's not up on that page. I'll put it up somewhere appropriate on my homepage, but for now it's here: dress martha made mePosts: 1892 | Registered: Mar 2002
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heh. I don't think personality has too much to do with a goth. At least with all that dreary death and tattoo talk.
Many of the 'goth' regulars identify themselves more with the clothes specifically, or certain music groups (like 80's goth!), or even piercings/tattoos in general. But I was surprised at all the very down-to-earth non-morbid "goth" folks I met. Embrace the term, win it back for all of us happy perky goths!
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Anyone here like Wolfsheim, or Project Pitchfork, or Apoptygma Berzerk? Mmmm...
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Well, I can't find any of my old pictures. Yet. But I did find a picture of random people a club I used to do merch at. Okay, not entirely random. Fishnet-boy was in the band I worked for. Posts: 9057 | Registered: Nov 2000
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Hmmm, if it's just about the clothes, I could go for that. I have a couple of renaissancesque/mideval outfits. I am a big fan of costumes and dressing up.
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You have to really have a high tolerance of "outfits" to hang out in a goth scene. There's this really nice, quiet, unassuming kind of guy at Club Hell who wears all black and is covered with spikes (spike collar, spike belt, spikes all over his jacket, etc etc). He has such a gentle face, it's great.
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Yeah, but it was also great fun working for them...it gave my 6' tall self an excuse to wear 5" vinyl platforms. Posts: 9057 | Registered: Nov 2000
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Thanks for that, Zalmoxis. Now I have to hurry home and give that old CD a listen.
quote:Anyone here like Wolfsheim, or Project Pitchfork, or Apoptygma Berzerk
Yes. There's a goth/darkwave channel that I listen to on MusicMatch. Recently I've gotten into some old Orbital, Crystal Method, Massive Attack, and even black metal like Opeth, but eventually they play Nine Inch Nails, and I have to turn it off. There's a fine line between a dark sound and a satanic sound. My wife says it's all satanic and forbids me from listening to it at home.
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Sun, I guess all those spikes might creep me out a bit. I probably wouldn't dress up quite that extreme myself either. But maybe one of these days I will go goth for Halloween.
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skillery: neato. I listened to a few goth internet radio stations, but never found quite the perfect one. One of the first gothy songs I heard had this line: "We are the dead of night; We're in the zombie room" and it's by Depeche Mode! I never would have guessed. If anyone's interested, it's carried on iTunes store (called "The Dead of Night"). Not much else of the goth/industrial scene is. A lot of the music is german.
I still think it's a funny song. But now I dance to it happily.
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I should confess that I would have been Goth -- I liked the music, the scene, and the girls (especially the girls; I dated moody girls in black lipstick almost exclusively for a decade, to my shame) -- but for the fact that I'm fat, and there's nothing more laughable than a fat Goth man. You can be a fat Goth chick, a thin Goth chick, or a thin Goth boy, but FAT Goth boys have to skip straight over to biker punk. They don't make capes in 3X sizes.
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Does Type O Negative count as Goth? 'Cause they are one of the best groups (if still around) I have heard yet. I wear black clothing as everything else just looks so loud on me.
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Tom, have I told you lately that I love ya? *giggles*
I guess I was sort of a proto-goth in high school. But that has been a very, very long time ago. Most of my friends were gay, and I was this semi-morose, frustrated little churchling.
But, since I have kids now, I almost never get to hear new music. I sort of met Trent Reznor once, before anybody cared who the hell he was. Heh.
Since I'm a mommy now, I'm not sure I could be called a Goth. The picture that the words "Goth Mom" conjure up... doesn't seem like me. Posts: 9293 | Registered: Aug 2000
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Tom, you could have gone on meth. Meth would thin you up and give you the cool, "Goth drug addict" twist. I know many goths who think its cool to be an addict. So angsty.
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Olivet, a couple of the girls down the hall wrote Trent bad ad-lib poetry and left it in his mailbox. It was wonderful. I'll see if I can get a copy of it from them.
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Olivet, There is a goth.parenting newsgroup on my newsreader, but it doesn't get much traffic, sadly. The folks who post there are pretty genuine, though, when they DO post. They're kind of neat to lurk at.
I am too cheerful for goth, I think. I tried to be Goth in H.S., but the goths I knew were so saaaad. What a bummer.
I get Gother as I get older, but I think I'm rebelling at my military family lifestyle. *grin*
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quote:What I was amazed to discover early on, is the huge amount of anger, nastiness, and condescension that exists in what I thought would have been an open, accepting community. Pfft, how innocent of me.
*shrug* just like any other subculture that thinks it's not one of the many mainstream subcultures, and has disdain for anything "mainstream." Same applies for punks, emos (emus to me), and even the nerd/geek crowds. The "wicca/pagan" crowd is becoming very much the same (I mean the subculture based on them, not the belief systems). I've been friends with enough of each of these "alt" groups long enough to know that obviously not everyone is like that. It's just the general attitude that becomes pervasive. I stopped joining my friends at the popular goth club in Philly because I get a little sick of dealing with the disdainful looks and comments for not being goth enough (I wear black almost exclusively, but not "goth" black: khakis and plain shirts, never any makeup. I have no fashion sense, so I take the easy way out and don't try to match colors). It's kind of annoying coming from people who complain about being made fun of for trying so hard to stick out like a sore thumb (in the real world) to begin with.
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oh I completely agree, NOW, John. My innocence was bashed and I realize that every subculture has its in-fighting, politics, emotional backstabbing, and condescension. It's such a shame.
I hoped that the goth culture would celebrate Being Different and letting people express themselves, however that might be. But that's just an idealism, something concocted from the dream-world, not reality.
Yes, even the pagan communities are beginning to have a lot of tension. A friend related to me a story of a huge fight between pagan store owners involving curses that occurred recently.
I think I can only say that it's human nature. As sad as that is.
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Danke. My brother sometimes teases me and says I still look goth, but it'd be tough for me to pull it off now. Now, though, I come off as either looking like a wannabe-FBI or, as my friend Jim says, like "Matrix-Man."
One friend of mine is an ordained Wiccan priestess (minister?), and she won't even get together with anyone she hasn't know for years any more because of the cattiness.
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(I simply haven't been fangirling him enough lately--seriously, though, John makes a very Handsome Goth)
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Yeah, I traded the boots and brooding for sunglasses, a long jacket (leather, but not near a trench), and a bit of quirky wit. Once I get enough to get another Harley, though, I'll be grabbing engineer boots like those again, since they're best for riding (or, more exactly, for shifting)
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Wow! Look at all the posters! Fun goth type people and pictures abound!
Still haven't gotten mine up yet. Moved my mom to the nursing home last night so she can recover for a week or two from her knee surgery (she still can't use the bathroom on her own yet so moving to the house would be bad without constant care), so I didn't have time to search for my pretty goth pics. Soon! *hugs*
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Besides some other problems with dressing Goth (mentioned in Suneun's landmark), I live not far from Paducah (where the Trenchcoat Mafia incident occurred). No point in being mistaken for someone planning to shoot up the professors.
Truthfully, I've always found it too much trouble to try and meet anyone's standard of appearances, beyond a little basic grooming.
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People always call me a goth, but I'm more emo than anything. I'm into graveyards and the comsumption of blood , and the all-black thing, but I'm usually a pretty upbeat person. Until recently, my hair was to my nose, but I was required to cut it because I'm in a play. >_< The things I do for drama... Posts: 40 | Registered: Mar 2004
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I have yet to decide if I remotely qualify as goth...I still do not understand exactly what it is, whether it's a style of dress, a mindset, a preference in music...a combination of any of the above and/or more...
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