quote:And yet the Shanshu prophecy was never what it was *really* all about. Sure, Angel would have liked to be fully human again. But his core motivation has always been redemption -- atoning for Angelus's bloody deeds.
I think, by then last episode, Angel's fight is no longer about redemption. He's moved past all selfish motives, and is fighting the good fight because it's the right thing to do.
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Thanks, I forgot about that. I've only seen that episode once. Now things make more sense about how dark his and Fred's relationship became.
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Sure.
But to tease this out a little more -- I would argue that what brought him to this point was his need for redemption. And I don't see that need as a selfish thing. In fact, he's made it clear that doing good doesn't erase all the blood. Every good doesn't somehow make him incrementally a 'better' person or cancel out one of his murders. What it does do, however, is make a person's life better.
My point is that the prophecy gave him a selfish motive [and notice that it's origin is the vaults of Wolfram and Hart -- as dubious a source as there ever was] to be the champion. And it was an incentive that he had no problem signing away.
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I just saw the last episode of Angel again, and it really was very good. If they ever do a movie or miniseries, I hope they start it right where this left off.
Maybe have the slayers show up. Cheesy, but it'd be Buffy cheesy.
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Me too. And we don't know if Gunn will die or not.
I'd like to see a Watcher turned into a Vampire - he could really wreak havoc. Wesley would have been perfect. Now it will have to be Giles.
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I really don't know why they never did that on Buffy. It would be a horrible and terrifying fun-house mirror for Buffy to look into.
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I just finished the last episode of Angel... I know, I know I am behind the times . I would love to see a Spike/Illyria spin-off.
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Actually, we have seen a...well, um, a Slayer Vampire--once. First season Buffy, in the episode where the little kid is causing nightmares to become real. Finding out that one of Buffy's nightmares is being buried alive, and that another is of being turned, gives new meaning to the events of season six. (First she wakes up in a grave; then she fears that she has come back "wrong"--and what, exactly, is the most common form of that in the Buffyverse?)
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I've only caught the part where he actually takes Connor - nothing leading up to it - through Angel trying to smother him.
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I've always thought that Giles and Wes would make kick-ass vampires. They're both dangerous in that lure you in and make you trust them sort of way.
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Mabus: What I meant was a season Big Bad being a former slayer now Vampire. And the fact that Buffy had dreamed it would make the situation all the more powerful.
Plus you could have the "You think you know what a slayer is.... You have no idea..." speech.
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