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TomDavidson
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You're currently experiencing a certain trial by fire because, quite frankly, you fit the traditional template of a troll: you came out of nowhere, immediately posted new threads (with inflammatory topics) without participating in old ones, and don't appear open to actual discussion.

I am, however, willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you are in fact a 30ish guy from Tooele, Utah with two kids and a passing interest in politics, I think you'll fit in just fine here -- provided that you take a deep breath, and provided that you give US a chance to adjust to YOU. [Smile]

Trust me when I say that, so far, you have said nothing we have not heard before; this is why, coupled with the troll suspicions, people were initially so dismissive of your arguments. I suspect, however, that you can defend your opinions more cogently if given the chance. The thing is, we won't GIVE you the chance if your debate style largely consists of "what I say is a FACT; if you disagree, you are a drooling idiot -- or liberal, since I use the words interchangeably" tactics. That kind of Freeper "debate" won't win you any friends or arguments here; we try -- and mostly succeed -- to maintain higher standards.

So please revisit your threads with an eye towards actual discussion, with the intent to actually PARTICIPATE instead of lecture. So far, the only thing you've said that really concerned me was your quick, defensive quip about not actually caring what any of us think; I'd like you to reconsider that.

I make you this promise: as long as you care what I think, I will treat you with respect. I think most of the forum will do the same.

[ September 20, 2004, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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I'm trying to decide if Stroman is really Chad's last name, or if that is simply a parody off of This

FG

nah - I take that back. That's probably his real name, because you can Switchboard it.

[ September 20, 2004, 09:34 PM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]

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Actually, Farmgirl, that was my first thought after reading the thread and then looking again at the nome de plume. Of course I always look at things with a word association slant.
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Really? I never knew that about you.

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[ September 20, 2004, 09:36 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]

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Kinda like my knack of stating the obvious.
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You'll also find that even people that agree with your ideas will get annoyed with you if you say things in an inflamitory way. People haven't dismissed your ideas becasue of their ideas, but we do have a habit of dismissing something that is obviously argumentative.
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BannaOj
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This whole song seems somehow appropriate
quote:
Crimson flames tied through my ears
Rollin' high and mighty traps
Pounced with fire on flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
"We'll meet on edges, soon," said I
Proud 'neath heated brow.
Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now.



[ September 21, 2004, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: BannaOj ]

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TomDavidson
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Sadly, I see no indication that Chad has actually read this thread. Perhaps if I gave it a name like "abortionist gays hate America...."
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Or his name's not Chad, and he forgot that's what he said the C stood for.

Just saying.

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TomDavidson
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Well, there is most definitely a Chad Stroman who fits the description he's given for himself. If he's a troll, he's stolen someone's identity for an alibi -- but I don't think so. I think this is the same Chad Stroman who once posted somewhere that he's been an avid reader of Tom Clancy novels since the age of five.

THAT Chad Stroman seems capable of making perfectly intelligible posts on topics he cares deeply about without insulting people who disagree with him. On the assumption that this is the same Chad Stroman, I'm willing to extend an olive branch to this guy and just figure he had an off week or something.

[ September 21, 2004, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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He'd only be welcome if he either reformed his previous ways or stayed out of politics. The guy who seems to be the same guy has been banned from politics forums before, and uses as his avatar on at least one forum a pic of gore yelling with a tense look on his face while leaning forward a bit . . . with the words "HARDER BILL!!!" superimposed.
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That's ME!

Fugu has been to Joblo. Although Fugu (or whoever he was on Joblo) appears to have had a problem with my Avatar.

Funny because I haven't seen him say anything about the Bush terrorist avatar or any other anti-Bush one.

I am who I have said I am.

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BTW, I do have to say that I am at least honest with who I am on these boards.
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Are you implying that people here aren't?
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TomDavidson
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I doubt fugu posts at Joblo. It's more likely that he, like I, simply googled you.
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What's your name RRR? My name's Chad, nice to meet you and you are?
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quote:
I am at least honest with who I am on these boards.
This inexplicably makes me very sad. [Frown]
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So you're saying I'm not honest because I don't use my real name when posting here?
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No, not dishonest. Just not 100% up front.

Btw, I'm Chad, and you are? (extends hand)

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I happen to know RRR's name, Chad. And she knows mine. It comes when a level of trust develops.
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Hee hee, maybe he'd approve if he knew what the RRR actually stood for.

AJ

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*snerk*
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i might be in love with sarcastimuppet. [Kiss]
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So does that mean I trust the people here more?

Ok her names Sarah. Hi Sarah, nice to meet you.

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i have this funny feeling that calling her by name is going to do the opposite of winning her favor.
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It gave me a creepy stalkeresque feeling, but I realize he probably surmised "Sarah" from her email address.
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stop reading my mind, woman!
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In all fairness, it's probably MORE creepy that I now have Chad's home address and phone number, thanks to the power of Google. All things considered, he's taken that remarkably in stride.
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chad, do you really feel that using the name one's parents gave one makes that person more "upfront" than using a name chosen for onesself? how is one any more valid or hoest than the other?
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TomDavidson
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Frankly, I think that.
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Woot now I've been called "stalkeresque" for clicking on her "profile".

I guess I could "google" it, but it's not that important for me as it appears it is for so many other posters on this board.

Now that you all know who I am, please introduce yourselves!

I'm Chad....and you all are?

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why?
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In all fairness, it's probably MORE creepy that I now have Chad's home address and phone number, thanks to the power of Google. All things considered, he's taken that remarkably in stride.
And they call me "Stalkeresque". [Eek!]
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CStroman
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Well, it's like Clark Kent is really Superman.

Is he 100% honest as Clark Kent? No. He's superman.

I'm being honest here....

I'm Superman... [Big Grin]

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silly silly man. I said I had a "Stalkeresque" *feeling*, which was about 70% snarkiness mixed with 30% of my overall personality. See, you're learing more about me every day!

--sarmup

I got my first [Kiss] on Hatrack! Too bad it was from Celia... [Wink]

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my question was directed at tom, and wasn't a rebuttal to Chad

i'm kerinin, nice to meet you

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Yes, odd that someone who's been an active and reliable member of the community, as well as someone I've met in person on more than one occasion's investigation doesn't set off alarm bells, but someone claiming to be new and yet pulling up information about us does.
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Hmm, considering my screen name is a convolution of my actual name, as well as being very close to actual nicknames I've had in the past, I feel as if it is a very good representation of me.

AJ

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Seriously, Chad, I'm Tom. [Smile] Thanks for not being too creeped out; I just wanted to establish -- for my own sake, when deciding whether I wanted to spend any time talking to you or not -- whether you were a real human being, or just another random troll.

I'm satisfied that you're a real human being. However, I'm still very concerned about your whole "I don't care what any of you think" bit, and would like you to elaborate on that before I commit to much more conversation with you.

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kerinin, I think the anonymity of the Internet is another way of maintaining emotional distance. By necessity, people who abandon that anonymity find it harder to maintain that distance and are therefore more likely to be "engaged" in whatever they say. This doesn't mean that they're inherently trustworthy, sensible, or likeable, mind you.

[ September 21, 2004, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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Chad, I'm space opera. Have you decided to play nice yet?

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Hmm, considering my screen name is a convolution of my actual name, as well as being very close to actual nicknames I've had in the past, I feel as if it is a very good representation of me.
Um, ditto. [Smile]
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Tom, I really admire your efforts here with this thread. I appreciate your patience. I hope you succeed in bridging this gap--I myself do not feel inclined to make the effort at this time. Maybe later. [Smile]
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quote:
I'm satisfied that you're a real human being. However, I'm still very concerned about your whole "I don't care what any of you think" bit, and would like you to elaborate on that before I commit to much more conversation with you.

That is in regards to what people opinion of me is.

Do I care whether anyone agrees with me or not? No.

Are my feelings hurt by all the personal attacks posted against me.

That's an obvious no.

I am interested in what people have to say about the topics, but I really don't give a flying leap about their personal attacks against me.

Ignorant, rude, etc. etc. Those are all some of your stated opinions of me.

Eh, all that says is the person I am talking to likes to call names and flame posts they don't agree with.

Fine. It doesn't reflect on me, it reflects on the person who posted it.

Do I care what people think about certain issues? Yes, some more than others. But I when they make it personal, you cross the line and lose the argument.

That's what I meant.

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Oh and I am playing nice. The question is, have any of you realized that you weren't playing nice and are ready to as well?

I think I have been altogether supremely civil in this thread, where others have not.

Directly and indirectly.

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Um. You say that and you say:

quote:
Eh, all that says is the person I am talking to likes to call names and flame posts they don't agree with.

Fine. It doesn't reflect on me, it reflects on the person who posted it.

You know, when you reply to such comments instead of continuing with the actual conversation, it does say something about you. If you're so indifferent to the flames, why don't you just ignore them?
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If you're so indifferent to the flames, why don't you just ignore them?
Same question at the whole board. My answer is probably the same.
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*grabs big book 'o Freud*

Chad, what was your relationship with your mother like? Did she ignore you? This could be the subconscious reason behind your attention-grabbing posting style. [Wink]

space opera

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Come on now Opera, be nice. I love all the "Hey be nice while I smear you" type attitude.

It's like preacing against gambling while pulling the arm on a slot machine. [Wink]

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Pffft. You just have your dander up; it was a funny.

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I hadn't noticed you flaming me. Now I'm confused. Are you trying to insult me in some way?
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