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"The question is, have any of you realized that you weren't playing nice and are ready to as well?"
Chad, there is a common factor among all the people who've washed out of Hatrack -- either by being banned or basically shunned -- quickly: they all, to a man, have insisted that this is the case. None of them recognized that they were being inflammatory, and all of them insisted that they were being treated unfairly.
They may even be right. Frankly, I'm hardly the person to say. While it might be apparent to me that you've been deliberately dismissive and provocative, I might have been around too long to see how it feels from the other side. For that, you'll probably have to ask a user called Xaposert, who basically specializes in defending the indefensible.
But the simple fact is this: people who feel this way, people who act this way, do not stick around long.
I'm not going to argue whether or not your posts deserved more thoughtful replies, or whether no one made a serious attempt to discuss them on their merits. If you'd like to have this discussion, I would be glad to point out to you posts I believe you should have taken more seriously, and flaws that I perceive in your replies. (I'd also be glad to point out posts that I do think, indeed, were unfairly hostile to you.)
I will argue, however, that if you intend to stick around, the very first thing you do is get rid of the whole "no, you guys should be apologizing to me" chip that's currently on your shoulder -- not because you have no right to it, but because it's been my experience that anyone who tries to stick around with that chip in place will inevitably leave the forum under a stormcloud of doom.
You've basically walked into our living room and pissed on the couch. How should we react?
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Chad, I read the lack of capitalized words as being much less un-civil. I think it's a matter of convention here, as at some (though not all) other forums. "Rudeness" is a contextual thing, you know?
Hi, my name is Sara Sasse. Welcome to Hatrack. Posts: 2919 | Registered: Aug 2004
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Do you have a good recipe for fish chowder?
I have extensive difficulties with cooking fish. Texture problems. Sara Moulton from the Food Network did an awesome-looking salmon chowder recently, and I might just try again. Her shredded pork and hominy soup was outrageously good.
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Sara, ick! Have some yummy vegetables. Take a red onion, zuchinni, squash, mushrooms, and a bunch of asparagus. Add 3 tablespoons olive oil and some salt and pepper. Bake at 450 for 30 minutes. Serve with yummy crusty french bread.
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No, not quite. You don't even have to apologize, as far as I'm concerned.
What I think is important, based on what I've seen over the years, is that you recognize that you WERE being abrasive, and understand that the people who were replying to you were responding harshly because of that perceived abrasiveness.
And before you say that you hadn't meant to be offensive, consider what you just said. Out of all the things you've said to tick people off -- and there've been a few -- the one you apologized for, the one you considered "name-calling," was the whole "liberal" bit. I agree that, yes, it's funny that you leapt to the conclusion that Dag (a strongly Catholic conservative) was a liberal. But your "apology" here was clearly meant as a further attack on liberals, to suggest that people should think that "liberal" is in fact a dirty word that no one deserves to be called.
People will call you on stuff like that around here, Chad. Later on, as we get more used to you and your posting style, we'll probably recognize some verbal "tics" and let those slide -- but it's not a good idea to start out on offense on your very first day. You managed to alienate even the people on this board who agree with you -- and, in case you were wondering, the board's got a majority of social conservatives and is pretty evenly split on fiscal issues. There are fewer Bush supporters than you might expect from a conservative board, but it's still almost 50/50. You are, in other words, going to catch more flies with honey than vinegar around here.
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Sara, if you find any ways of cooking fish without it smelling fishy let me know. I get nauseous at the smell of fish and I've never bee pregnant. Steve loves fish but he's only allowed to cook it when I'm not home. He didn't believe me at first but now he's seen me turn green and it isn't pretty.
I'm not anti fish, but I don't knkow what to do about the nausea.
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Okay, Telp. I gotta pin you down and get some righteous favor.
Was I not correct in telling you when you first came that this was a huge yawning gaping time-sucking vortex that, essentially, would be a black hole of home to you?
Hmmm? Right, eh? I spotted you for a mark at your first post, dude.
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And the fact that we are giving you so much attention, Chad, should tell you something.
This place is special... a place for true debate, learning, and for making friends. To become part of any community you have to win its trust and respect. You kind of came in with guns blazing, rocking the equilibrium we have here. And the way to have true debate is to attack the subject, not the person.
Good luck!
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quote:Okay, Telp. I gotta pin you down and get some righteous favor.
Was I not correct in telling you when you first came that this was a huge yawning gaping time-sucking vortex that, essentially, would be a black hole of home to you?
Hmmm? Right, eh? I spotted you for a mark at your first post, dude.
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2 cups Milk 1 lb. cod 12 oz. imitation crab 1/2 lb. shelled shrimp 1 tin clams 8 oz. fish broth 8 oz. clam broth 8 oz. sour cream 2 oz. lemon juice Chopped onion (sauteed in 2 tbsp. butter) Chopped celery 4 potatoes, peeled and chopped 2 carrots, peeled into short strips Chopped basil Tarragon Sage Celery salt Salt & pepper
I'm trying to do the proportions from memory, but I recall that this worked pretty well.
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I guess what never fails to confuse me is that thought that it's impossible one could be wrong. If I had started out at Hatrack by creating a thread or post that everyone attacked me for, I'd be wondering what I said wrong, not what was wrong with everyone else.
But maybe it's just me.
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I skimmed, I missed the "cod" at the beginning, it was the fish broth and clam broth that makes me shudder. (I shuddered again, and totally involuntarily when I typed clam broth too)
quote:ARTIST: Arrogant Worms TITLE: Carrot Juice Is Murder Lyrics and Chords
Listen up, brothers and sisters Come hear my desperate tale I speak of our friends of nature Trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegetables live in oppression Served on our tables each night This killing of veggies is madness I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers Cole slaw's a fascist regime Don't think that they don't have feelings Just 'cause a radish can't scream
{Refrain} I've heard the screams of the vegetables, scream scream scream Watching their skins being peeled, having their insides revealed Grated and steamed with no mercy, burning off calories How do you think that feels, bet it hurts really bad Carrot juice constitutes murder, and that's a real crime Greenhouses prisons for slaves, let my vegetables grow It's time to stop all this gardening, it's dirty as hell Let's call a spade a spade, it's a spade it's a spade it's a spade
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(Space Opera, I loves me veggies. Thumbs up! AJ, I'll let you know. My expectations are lightly here, if at all.)
Tom, I think I overcook it, as in boil the fish. It isn't the right flaky texture.
Here's Sara M's recipe (more fish-oriented, very simple). Pretty much just salmon, potatoes and onion in heated milk with butter and dill, topped with lemon and smoked salmon. She gives a recipe for homemade lemon pepper crackers, too.
(And Tom, was Christy looking for pot pie recipes? She did a pot pie show recently.)
quote:6 to 8 boiling potatoes (about 1 pound) 4 tablespoons (1/2 stick) unsalted butter 1 medium onion, finely chopped 3 tablespoons all-purpose flour 5 cups whole milk, heated 1 pound salmon fillet, skinned 4 ounces smoked salmon, finely chopped 1/4 cup chopped fresh dill 2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
To make the chowder: Peel the potatoes and cut into 1/4-inch cubes. Melt the butter in a saucepan over low heat; add the onion and cook, stirring often until softened, about 5 minutes. Whisk in the flour and cook for about 3 minutes. Increase the heat to medium-high, pour in the hot milk, and bring to a boil, whisking constantly. Add the potatoes, season with salt, and reduce the heat to medium-low. Cook until the potatoes are almost tender, 10 to 12 minutes. Add the salmon, and cook until slightly firm to the touch, about 5 minutes. Transfer the salmon to a plate and break into chunks. Add the chunks, smoked salmon, dill and lemon juice to the hot chowder. Season with salt and pepper and simmer until just heated through, about 2 minutes. Serve hot with crackers on the side.
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What's funny is that those two fish chowders would wind up tasting very different indeed, despite the milk, potatoes, and lemon juice. Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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Overcooking is probably the problem, Sara. Fish needs to be just cooked: undercooked is nasty, overcooked falls apart into unrecognizable stuff at the bottom of the pot.
Serve it as soon as it's cooked. Fish chowder doesn't wait on the guests, make the guests (or spouse) wait on the chowder.
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kerinin, we are currently hosting a wild morel and leek jack, a 4-yr aged cheddar, and a sweet little baby swiss in a bonnet. We are not very hospitabale hosts, as we eat our guests -- slowly -- but we keep the door to the fridge open, and they trot right in.
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For your own good, I'm sure. He's letting the rest of us know that you're a real person and not the latest incarnation of a recurring troll.
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Honestly, I felt a little guilty "knowing" that info, and wanted to let you know that you should probably take some steps to be perhaps a little MORE private on the Internet. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't actually write it down -- but on the downside, that info comes up the first time someone googles you. It's not a big deal, but I HAVE been occasionally plagued in MeatSpace by jerks who've taken advantage of my lack of anonymity: signed up for magazine subscriptions, received mailed death threats with satellite photos of my house, etc.
At the very least, I felt that if it's "creepy" to "figure out" that someone's name is Sarah because it's in her E-mail addy, it's far, far creepier to discover the names of someone's entire family with a single web search. By making that explicit, I was deliberately turning my cards over early; I didn't want to have that "advantage," especially if it had the potential to make you uncomfortable in the future.
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Chad, like many spots on the net, Hatrack has had its seething waves of recurrent young flame warriors. (Old ones, too.) People are snarkier when they think you're just another pseudonym some antisocial jerk is hiding behind to yank the same chain, again, and again, and again.
I think Tom knew you were okay with the information being out there, since you were using your real name. [or -- as he said above -- thought you might not realize it! never occurred to me, actually] I wouldn't myself have expected it to phase you for that very reason -- but making it clear that you were non-anonymous did make sense to get you out of the it's-him-again slushpile.
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Ah. Even less creepy, then. So I am far, far creepier than Chad.
Edit: And, yes, I was motivated in looking you up to establish that you were not, in fact, yet another anonymous troll; we don't get many of 'em, but the ones we do get are time-wasters. Had you not provided a name, this process would have taken somewhat longer. *wry laugh* So I appreciate your candor, and apologize for having taken advantage of it.
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I haven't been here for long Chad, and I'm only just beginning to get to know folks. But I think I can guess what got them annoyed at you, at least in the Abortion -> Death penalty thread. At least, this is certainly what ticked me off:
quote: Curious because it seems quite an indefensible position when you take an innocent unborn baby (fetus) and end it's life, but take a convicted murderer and say he has the right to live (and vote if you are a Michael Moore fanboi).
"Curious because it seems quite an indefensible position..."
You posed a flamatory question, and then declared the oposing opinion 'indefensible'. So you've effectively announced right there: Here's a famatory question I'm asking which you're probably very opinionated on, here's my opinion on it, and oh I consider any opinion different from mine to be indefensible and will therefore be ignored.
"Michael Moore fanboi" Offensive to several people, not least: people who hold that opinion but don't have a very high opinion of Michael Moore, and people who do like Michael Moore.
One thing I've already learned about Hatrack even in my short time here, if you're polite and respectful of other people, they'll treat you with politeness and respect. If you're offensive, they'll take you apart for it.
...they, perhaps I should say 'we', becuase thats an awesome way for a forum to be and a forum like that is one I want to be a part of
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Farmgirl, I know. Prices are slowly starting to rise as we head into winter. Plus, the asparagus looks kind of scrawny, too. However, there are still all kinds of fun and moderately cheap things to do with veggies. The other night we had a great salad - baby spinach, mushrooms, and diced eggs covered with shredded mozz. cheese. Yum!
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Prices are slowly starting to rise as we head into winter. Plus, the asparagus looks kind of scrawny, too. However, there are still all kinds of fun and moderately cheap things to do with veggies. The other night we had a great salad - baby spinach, mushrooms, and diced eggs covered with shredded mozz. cheese. Yum!![[ROFL]](graemlins/rofl.gif)
