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Yeah, getting into Canada is like playing British Bulldog. There are a lot of people trying to tackle you on your way across the border, but if you get across, you're home free. You can delay your hearings for upwards to a decade at which point, even if it's decided not to let you stay based on your claim you can say, "but I've been here a decade!" and we'll let you stay. It's also a delicate system we have here, with our extensive system of safety nets. There's a very large, very real fear of people inundating the country and taking advantage of something they have not paid into and collapsing our system. So the immigration office tries to make sure only contributing members of society/those seeking asylum get in. I don't know that I agree with it, but I understand.
I think the first thing that needs fixing is making it easier for people to get jobs once they're here. It's stupid that we claim we're just making sure we're getting people who can contribute and then don't let them contribute once they're here. Have you talked to cab drivers about their degrees? I can't count the number with PhDs that I've talked to. It's unreal. When I was TAing there were some people that had higher degrees than I did, but their courses weren't transferable so they had to do several years worth of schooling here before they could work in their field. Again, I understand the principle and the logic behind the system, but I think it's antiquated.
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quote: So just how hard is it for an American to become a Canuck? A recent Harper's article suggested that bailing from Dick Cheneyville entailed a rather onerous legal dance. "It's not difficult at all," says Cohen. Basically all you need is a B.A. and a passing fluency in English and "Bingo, you're in."
Thanks. ...though, to be fair, the reason the Kiwis and Aussies won't mind taking me is that I'll have Kiwi citizenship. But from what I've been reading, the Aussies at least really WOULD welcome me with open arms, even without a Kiwi citizenship -- they even have an official government program to get recent graduates (particularly in technical fields) working in Australia.
rivka, do they mention which issue of Harper's that bit about immigration is in? I just so happen to have a current subscription to Harper's... I'm looking, but I don't see it anywhere yet.
The Salon article does make reference to the skilled worker test though:
quote:To put down roots in Canada, you need a permanent residence visa. First, you fill out a scorecard that awards you points for who you are -- you're shooting for 67. That B.A. in Communications from Chico State will do the trick but so will two years as a tradesperson; Manitoba is always looking for good sheet-metal workers. If you only have a high school education but sold that software program you wrote in your bedroom one night to Oracle -- that is, you have a net worth of $200,000 -- start packing, your Canada's kind of person. There is, however, a little bit of a Gattaca thing going. You get more points for being under 49 years old.
The Salon guy obviously didn't take the test himself. I've got a BASc in chemical engineering, I'm 23, I have family here, I speak both official languages, and I still don't qualify to enter my own country as a skilled worker. Thankfully I'm a citizen.
I think the easiest way to do it would be to figure out which province needs what you are (which in some cases is really just "immigrants;" Atlantic Canada's population is declining, for example), and see if you can get a provinicial "invitation." Of course, there's always that other option. I love how that site says "aboot" instead of "about," too. So very quintissentially Canadian, "aboot."
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Yeah, but while many people signed the pledge, very few actually posted profiles. Um, not that I looked, or anything.
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So, I've been looking into companies in NZ that use Lotus Notes, and have actually found quite a few. That's encouraging. I've sent email messages to a couple of them.
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Yeah, I'm doing that too. I think I'd rather live in New Zealand, given the choice, but Australia would be interesting too.
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What's funny is that you think I'm kidding. *clicks 'send'*
Edit: I, too, would rather live in NZ, despite the standard of living hit. I view Australia as a stepping stone en route to NZ, since you can live in Australia with Kiwi citizenship, no questions asked.
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Twinky, how can you not qualify as a skilled worker? 22 points for education, 16 for English, at least 17 for co-op depending on if you've done other work, and 10 points for being 22 gives you 65 right there. Basic French would let you qualify on your own, or family would put you over the top.
Did I misread something? I'm curious because your score is almost exactly what mine would be after April.
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It could just be that I can't do mental arithmetic in the wee hours of the morning. I'll check it this afternoon.
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You know I didn't realize it was 16 for english the first time I read it through.
Australia sounds wonderfully tempting. Twinky you got any links? I'm kinda curious.
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As is, I think I'm around 53 points. If you add the arranged work in, in factors 5 and 6 assuming I did I could probably get the 68 points.
AJ
(Correction I forgot to give myself 10 points for age, I'm at 63 points minimum without arranged work in Canada, and I might be able to massage 4 more points out of the work experience depending on exactly what they count.)
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Hmm I've got 125 points for Australia. 120 are required, and Steve would have the identical number. I know we are committed here for another couple of years, but I'd definitely consider it.
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They've got the highest standard of living in the English-speaking world... unless you're an aboriginal. They don't treat the natives very well.
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yeah, I know, but coming from the US I don't have a lot of room to point fingers do I? The kiwis did a little better with the Maoris, but neither country has clean hands.
Actually, while I will enjoy my time in the Midwest, I just want to live somewhere *warm*. Florida, the Tampa area would be a possiblity, but I'm not into humidity. I'd love to go back to CA but can't stomach the cost of living so Australia would be a reasonable viable alternative to California. (This is also why unless extraextroardinary circumstances developed I wouldn't move to Canada... too cold of a climate even in the West.)
Australia also has a group of Cardigan Corgi lovers who would love the bloodlines I'd bring to them too.
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I hate to jump on the New Zealand band wagon but after I visit, if I like it I could zip over there for a few years to pick up another citizenship. I'm a citizenship junkie.
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I have either 110 or 115 points for Australia. The thing is, I am fluent in a language other than English, which is the additional 5 points. However, I do not have a university degree for studies conducted in this language, nor do I have any certificate proving my knowledge, which means I don't get the 5 points.
AJ, it tells me that the pass mark is 110. Why is it 120 for you?
So is there a similar test for the US?
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Kama I'm not sure, it may be because of the profession you have. Or it could be a totally scummy scammy site, that always tells you, you have five points over waht is required because they want you to apply and take your money.
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Try taking it again, and lying. I can't get the site to come up from work, but I'll try it when I get home.
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Well, I can't go to Canada yet, with 66 points, but by April I'll have 68 plus I'd likely have a job lined up, so that would push me over the top anyway. I've loved Canada each time I've been there, so...
I'll check out the Australia site when I can get on it. Doesn't seem to want to load at the moment.
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I love the fact that even in immigration, paper degrees matter more than life experience. I'm pretty much stuck in America, even if I wanted to leave.
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Your Assessment Summary Criteria Your Answer Points* Nominated Occupation Primary Products Inspector 40 Age 18 to 29 30 English Language Ability Native English Speaker 20 Occupational Experience Less than three years 0 Spouse Skills Bonus Points Applicable 5 Your Points Score: 95
When I didn't lie
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Your Skilled Assessment Result
According to the responses in your online visa assessment, you satisfy the basic requirements for the Skilled Visa Category.
Required Pass Mark: 120 points Your Points Score: 125 points*
Your Assessment Summary Criteria Your Answer Points* Nominated Occupation Engineer - Chemical Engineer 60 Age 18 to 29 30 English Language Ability Native English Speaker 20 Occupational Experience More than three years 10 Spouse Skills Bonus Points Applicable 5 Willing to live in an Australian regional area YES Your Points Score: 125*
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I started nothing. It was all YOUR fault. *stern look back*
Also, once you have Kiwi citizenship, you don't need Oz. However I don't know if we approve of citizenship whores.
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You know, if Canada let in all the Democrats, I bet Canada could quickly beat out the Jesusland as the dominate world power. If not, at least there would then be two superpowers again. I mean, when you think about it, the brainy nerds are the democrats, right? Isn't that why OSC always rails about liberal colleges polluting our children's minds.
Then again, that's probably why Canada doesn't want us there.
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*sterner look back at Kylie* It's SO not my fault.
Teshi, citizenships, or residence permits? There's a world of difference. Citizenships, unless you have a parent who has one (like I do with dad), take a long time to get. Landed immigrant status is easier.
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That's a long time to spend somewhere you don't plan to stay. I just want my Kiwi citizenship. Then I can live in Australia and New Zealand without worrying about immigration laws, and I can move back and forth between those two, Canada, and if need be the United States largely as I please.
I don't feel a huge urge to go and live in a bunch of different places, I just want to find somewhere I really like (which is to say, New Zealand).
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quote:Yeah, only, one would have a lot of nuclear-missles and the other'd have a couple of broken second-hand submarines and helicopters.
You know, I'm willing to bet that every liberal state that would be in the United States of Canada have nukes. Along with most of the industry in the country. Jesusland would have most of the farmland and old people. Unless of course you think that the farmland could somehow take all the nukes.
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I'm living in Sri Lanka right now on a residential visa. I could apply for citizenship in 6 more years and be a citizenship whore, but I don't see the benefit of having citizenship here. Hubby doesn't care.
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I don't know where the nuclear weapons are- I was always under the impression they were in farmland but I don;t know.
I think I need to put a little after all my posts because i'm being taken more seriously that I intend to be!
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Also, I used the automated calculation system for Canada and it turns out I AM eligible, so it isn't quite as bad as I thought, but still... I'd like to think that I'm pretty skilled. I'm not sure I can honestly say that Canada is the best country in the world anymore. Our health care system is creeping closer and closer to two bona fide tiers for the rich and the not rich... the Conservative party is actually a force to be reckoned with for the first time in over a decade... *sigh* Good thing I'm already planning to leave.
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They merged with the Canadian Alliance. Which is to say, the Alliance took them over and then stole their reputable brand name, but kept Stephen Harper on as a leader.
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