quote:Originally posted by Amanecer: Well, first off, being "white" doesn't count as an ethnic group. Second, in America, it certainly isn't the minority.
They will be in 2050. Will it be okay to sing white pride songs then?
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quote:But Mormonism, Catholicism, and Atheism are multi-ethnic coalitions whereas Judaism is mostly defined by blood. The former three are a creed potentially open to all people whereas Judaism really does have a "people." Thus there's a tone of ethnic supremacy in a Jew declaring love for his people that is quite different from a Christian or an Atheist declaring love for his "people."
Are you similarly bothered by other ethnic minorities declaring love for their people?
quote:They will be in 2050. Will it be okay to sing white pride songs then?
White people may be the minority in raw numbers by 2050, but they will still have a majority of the power. They'll be a minority in the way men are a minority. This is a flawed analogy.
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Sa'eed: Your comment about antisemitism on the previous page that I edited was not OK. Any similar comments will necessitate a more aggressive response.
Consider yourself warned. I understand you are feeling a sort of resentment that many groups of people can celebrate their ethnicity but if white people do it, it's racism.
Perhaps we lost that privileged when we started going out and enslaving/killing people on account of them not being white. I don't have the answers to these questions, but they are difficult and provocative. Please discuss in good faith.
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The other thread got closed which is probably a good thing but if the moderators are watching, please don't close this one, especially for anything I may have inadvertently done. As for the other guy, I'm sure we can handle him. Let's give it a shot for a while.
I would like to ask a question (totally unrelated and I think uncontroversial topic) but maybe I should let things cool off a bit. Let me know if you all are willing to chat some more.
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You'll note the original starter of this thread is the moderator. Believe me he hates to see a thread he's gleaned so much information from, and from which he hopes to continue to learn in die.
But that's the nature of the thing, it takes a lot more work to discuss difficult topics civilly, than it does to just wreck a thread by making people mad.
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Wingracer, I'm happy to answer any further questions you have.
As I've mentioned before and I will mention again, Judaism takes converts. It is defined by blood, yes, but it's not all that exclusive if anyone can convert.
The celebration of ethnicity, I'd say, happens largely to unify others with shared experience, laregely helping them overcome challenges of adversity, or at least, providing comfort. In law school there are a lot of ethnic student associations, the Latin Lawyer's student association, Jews, and even a Christian group.
Arbitrary celebration of ethnicity, I'd argue, is non-productive. If the unit you are tying yourself to has no purpose other than to make you feel good about yourself, unless you are currently being oppressed, it's non-productive.
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quote:If that were the reason, then pretty much no group on earth would have that privilege.
On the one hand I agree, but on the other hand...well, us (certain kinds of) European-descended white people have a legacy, if we're going to examine it, of being some of the best in the history of the world at that sort of thing.
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Maybe. But "white" is so broad that it isn't a very accurate categorization.
Aside from that, I wonder who a person from China would point to as the most murderous race or nationality in history? I'd be surprised if it was "whites."
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(Post Edited by Janitor Blade, posting about your own religion's (not that I'm actually convinced Islam is your religion) problems as a way to somehow make disparaging remarks about another religion more palatable doesn't work.)
quote:Originally posted by PSI Teleport: Maybe. But "white" is so broad that it isn't a very accurate categorization.
Aside from that, I wonder who a person from China would point to as the most murderous race or nationality in history? I'd be surprised if it was "whites."
It would probably be "white", but you're right that the categorizations are pretty broad. But when you're working at the level of (black, white, "Asians", and maybe Native Americans) there's not a whole lot of choice.
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