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i happen to enjoy all the star trek movies in one for or another except for ST-V....
that being said im a firm believer that pretty much all that can be interestingly covered in ST universe has been covered.... sometimes two or three times....
The movies just arent as original, or even as interesting.
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quote:Originally posted by Ecthalion: i happen to enjoy all the star trek movies in one for or another except for ST-V....
You seem to be confused. There was no STV. They skipped directly from STIV to STVI. Probably to avoid the Curse of the Odds.
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Nemesis wasn't overtly bad. It was just mediocre in the extreme. The plot was a weak rehash of "Wrath of Khan," complete with noble lead character "death," but whereas Ricardo Montalban created one of the most memorable villains of all time, Picard's clone was just... dull. The character's motivations made no sense, and the actor had about the same range of emotion as the kid who played Anakin in Episode 1. Even the special effects were boring, aside from the ramming scene. The Enterprise takes on a couple of Warbirds? Ho-hum. Deep Space Nine had full on fleet actions five years earlier, and did it better to boot.
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What was wrong with Star Trek Generations? It's tied with First Contact for my favorite, but the one where they go back in time to get the whales is a favorite of mine too, I think that was IV? KHANNN!!! Is good too.
What's wrong with Riker and Troi getting married? I always bought them a heck of a lot more than Troi and Worf, to say nothing of the fact that Worf and Dax were made for each other. Troi and Riker were Imzadi, they were almost predestined from before Mission at Farpoint to get married someday, I'm just surprised it took as long as it did.
Nemesis was weak. It just didn't have any..pizazz...I don't know how to describe it. Data issues were ridiculous, and the Picard clone thing is way out of left field. And they didn't even TRY to explain why Worf was there. They had decent excuses for the previous two movies, well for First Contact anyway. This time it's just "Let's go find adventure! Oh, Mr. Worf, just in time! Take your station at tactical." Especially since now Worf is supposed to be on Qu'nos full time with Martok.
Besides, good as the special effects were, the battle was WEAK. One big warbird vs. the Enterprise? COME ON. Like Tarrsk said, we had full on fleet action in DS9, I want to see something HUGE, or don't bother showing anything at all.
For all the cool new shiny ships we keep seeing, the Prometheus, the new armor that Voyager brought back, I want to see a rocking battle against a Borg FLEET. No more individual cubes, let's rock their world.
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I actually liked Generations quite a lot, too (though my favorite TNG film was "First Contact"). Kirk's death was cheesy, but as a big Patrick Stewart fan, I liked that Picard had a real emotional arc. And Soran was the most interesting of the TNG movie villains, even if his actual Evil Scheme had more plot holes than you could drive a starship through. Whoever the actor was, he played the part really well. And you want great effects sequences? The Enterprise-D crash still looks amazing.
"Wrath of Khan" is still tops, though. A brilliant movie from start to finish.
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I agree with most of everyone's criticisms regarding Nemesis. That's why I can't figure out why I still enjoy watching it so much. Usually I can explain why I do or don't like a movie, but this one escapes me. Posts: 684 | Registered: Aug 2001
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The Worf thing in Nemesis was totally wack. I mean, the thing is they could have EASILY made that a cool part of the plot! The Romulan senate murdered, Vorcha class cruiser decloaks to reveal ambassador Worf in command. It could have added a little extra to the story the way that Captain Sulu did in Star Trek VI.
But no, they go, predictably, for disappointing the fans as usual. This is something I don't think Star Trek producers understand: ST fans have savant brains: we remember the most basic details and expect them to be adhered to. In this case it's a HUGE piece of information that's missing from the scenario, and instead of plausably explain it (easy to do!) and make it part of the story, they just ignore it, like most interesting side plots in ST. That's why it's a phone-in.
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I just loved how Worf took over in Insurrection. Can you imagine being an officer in the military, and having your commanding officer basically say your off duty for a few days because the guy that used to have your post (albeit on a different ship with the same name) is back for a visit?
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There may be a higher proportion of smart ST fans, but I've met my fair share of mouth breathers in my time.
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quote:I enjoyed Nemesis. Insurrection was my favorite of the Next Gen movies though. Of course I feel rather alone in that sentiment.
I'm adding myself to the ranks. Insurrection is my favorite and has been since the moment I saw it. I really like the way Frakes directed it...and yes. It's a bit more girly. Great scenery, great music, fantastic romantic subplot, fountain of youth scenario -- What's not to love?
That said, I think I do stand alone in the "I didn't really like First Contact" camp. I thought the sudden appearance of a Borg Queen (when they're all supposed to have NO identity whatsoever) was ridiculous. And it was too dark. No butterflies or pretty flowers. Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Marlozhan: ...Why? Most of the reviews I read about the movie are negative, a lot of Star Trek fans didn't like it, and it flopped.
Which is why I don't understand why it's one of my favorite Star Trek movies, along with all the other even-numbered ones. Generations was okay and Insurrection was dull. I enjoyed the Search for Spock enough, too. But Nemesis is in my top 3 favorite ST movies, along with Undiscovered Country and First Contact.
I know Nemesis was a rehash of the Wrath of Khan, but since that was such a great show, that can't be too bad of a thing. I think Nemesis is underrated.
I liked it. I honestly think it is one of the better movies because of the effects with the ships and the new romulan ship is awesome looking. There are some bad things about it but that's just about every movie out there. So all in all I give it a thumbs up.
I think Khan is the best though!
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I didn't like it because I didn't see why Mr. Villain being a clone of Picard was relevant to the story. I thought the way they killed Data was contrived, and the way they opted to bring him back didn't make sense (if he's partly damaged, why would his damage remind us of human mental retardation, rather than computer damage -- as in Insurrection?). I couldn't believe that an oppressed minority (Remans) would somehow possess the power to destroy the Federation, without ever having tested it on their actual oppressors.
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Why is it that nobody's mentioned the dune buggy yet? I'd have thought that would be among the very first things to make people cringe about this movie.
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I didn't like Nemesis on account of things which are best described with words like:
- lethargic - clunky - hackneyed - poorly written - didn't work - tried to kill the franchise
A shame, really -- it was a flagrant abuse of the one element of Star Trek which is intriguing enough to have plenty of life left in it: the intricacies of an emerging Romulan empire.
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quote:Originally posted by Bekenn: Why is it that nobody's mentioned the dune buggy yet? I'd have thought that would be among the very first things to make people cringe about this movie.
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ST has this way of being absolutely Cringe-Inducing, whenever it tries to be "cool."
And yah, Samp, you're absolutely right- the Romulans were the only cool, dark, unknowable element in St that went all the way back to TOS, and they totally crapped all over that part of the story.
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quote:Originally posted by Tarrsk: Nemesis wasn't overtly bad. It was just mediocre in the extreme. The plot was a weak rehash of "Wrath of Khan," complete with noble lead character "death," but whereas Ricardo Montalban created one of the most memorable villains of all time, Picard's clone was just... dull. The character's motivations made no sense, and the actor had about the same range of emotion as the kid who played Anakin in Episode 1. Even the special effects were boring, aside from the ramming scene. The Enterprise takes on a couple of Warbirds? Ho-hum. Deep Space Nine had full on fleet actions five years earlier, and did it better to boot.
I absolutely agree. It wasn't a horrible movie, it just wasn't good. Bland, boring, and not exciting. The powers that be at Star Trek seem to be convinced that they always have to make another STIV where everyone comes to see the movie. If they just made a great Star Trek movie, people would come to see it. They waste too much trying to appeal to everyone and to do everything.
As far as the Next Gen movies are concerned, First Contact was the best. Generations would have been better without the Christmas scene. Insurrection was just DUMB. When Riker pilots the ship with the joy stick, I wanted to puke. That movie was worse than STV. Ugh.
Nemesis pretty much killed my obssession with Star Trek. It officially signaled the end of good writing in the Trek universe and I have given up. I am absolutely NOT looking foward to this farce of a movie coming up where they recast the original series and try to replace Kirk and Spock. What a laugh.
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I liked ST V. I guess to me it was purely speculative. I liked ST III too. But not the movie (I). What was VII? I liked IV but not as a Star Trek movie. It was very funny and interesting, but didn't feel like Star Trek.
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quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: Unless they can get Peter Jackson to direct it. Then it might be OK.
Jackson is 1 for 2 with me. LOTR was amazing. I thought Kong was a flop. He hasn't done enough to make me think he has a golden touch at anything yet except Tolkien.
I don't know if I want him doing Star Trek.
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