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I don't want to clutter the Rosie O'Donnell topic. Right now I'm reading a book called Yellow about racism against Asians in America. The author talks about the remarks he's heard from white people like, "Where do you come from?" and "You speak such good English." He was born in America. Some whites will also say the same thing about black people. "You're so articulate." They may not realise that what they are saying is offensive, but it is. Perhaps people are a bit oversensitive, it can't be helped. If this sort of thing has been directed at me, I don't notice. White people have the luxury of not having to think about their whiteness. No one will doubt their intelligence because of the colour of their skin, usually that has more to do with poverty than anything else. They don't know what it's like to be Native American and to have aspects of your culture constantly poked fun of and cannot understand why some Native Americans are offended by names like the Chiefs or the Braves or that whole waving of the tomahawk thing. Many white people do not bother to try to understand other people's cultures, but blacks, Asian Americans, Latinos, Native Americans and other non-whites cannot afford this, they have to learn to navagate through the primarily white world. Me, I'm tired of the concept of race. I can't understand why we need it, or why people insist on judging people based on something as arbitrary or illigical as skin colour and facial features. I don't understand why people stereotype based on these things. But this sort of thing matters to many people. Things have changed though. I saw an old movie where the word "pikaninny" was used, and I mentioned the "yellowface" in Breakfast at Tiffanies. Plus there were westerns with whooping "injuns" to consider. Things have gotten better over the years. Like it or not, we have to live with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds. People need to respect each other. Recently my favourite band came here from Japan to play at the Family Values Tour with Korn. According to some people who went to other shows, people were shouting, "Go back to your own country!" and things like that. Why? It doesn't make sense. I don't think I am prejudice against white people, just a certain KIND of white person who makes remarks like this without thinking or if there is any problem with Arabs or Asians they will wear offensive t shirts, paste bumper stickers all over their cars and they can't tell the different between Iran or Iraq or China or Japan. (Like in this book I am currently reading, one of too many where these people were upset about Asian cars and wore shirts that said things like, "Made in America, tested in Japan" with a picture of a mushroom cloud. Why? It makes no sense. Thats one of the most offensive things...) Why can't people EVOLVE and stop acting like that?
quote:Me, I'm tired of the concept of race. I can't understand why we need it, or why people insist on judging people based on something as arbitrary or illigical as skin colour and facial features. But this sort of thing matters to many people.
You say this after listing all your problems with WHITE people. You just judged me by the color of my skin.
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quote:I don't think I am prejudice against white people, just a certain KIND of white person who makes remarks like this without thinking
why can't you just have a problem with *people* that make remarks like that without thinking. People from every race, culture, and religion do it.
I don't mean to jump on you, but it seems to me you're perpetuating the same thing you're diatribe is against by making such broad generalizations.
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I'm not specifically judging you. I am talking about the sort of people who make remarks like, "He's so articulate." or "What country are you from?" or who casually make statements about blacks on welfare when the majority of people on welfare are white. I am talkin about a certain KIND of people who say things like that, not about all white people. I did not say that EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON in America makes these sort of remarks. And the few people who do do not know that they are offensive. They are unaware of how bothered people get by hearing things like that. I know that people from every religion and culture and race do things like this, but this topic is about white people who do this, who may not be card carrying members of the KKK and are as clueless as people who ask impolite questions to people who have adopted like, "How much did you pay for her?" They don't mean to say something hurtful, but they do and they need to learn not to do that...
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It cracked me up in Germany how many German kids tried to speak English 'ghetto' I thought how strange to learn a second language and learn to speak it like a junior high drop out.
As far as other cultures go, I have often wondered why Blacks think they have another culture when they are from here and have been for generations. Do fifth generation Hispanics try to feign deep roots in Spain or Mexico? "Oh my ancestors were defeated in battle in Africa and sold to slavers, except the half that were white, feel my pride...
As for racism against Asians, well I think that success is the best revenge and so to do most of the Asians I have met. As for those who practice Islam, well we are at war with them and they with us so they are being treated pretty well.
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quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: So people of color who make those kinds of statements are ok?
No, it isn't ok... I hate stereotyping, there's really only a handful of people who do stuff like this, like threatening Mosques after 9/11 or using words like "Gook" and being racist against anyone Asian and not just Vietnese people...
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quote:I'm not specifically judging you. I am talking about the sort of people who make remarks like, "He's so articulate." or "What country are you from?" or who casually make statements about blacks on welfare when the majority of people on welfare are white. I am talkin about a certain KIND of people who say things like that, not about all white people. I did not say that EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON in America makes these sort of remarks. And the few people who do do not know that they are offensive. They are unaware of how bothered people get by hearing things like that. I know that people from every religion and culture and race do things like this, but this topic is about white people who do this, who may not be card carrying members of the KKK and are as clueless as people who ask impolite questions to people who have adopted like, "How much did you pay for her?" They don't mean to say something hurtful, but they do and they need to learn not to do that...
Syn, I understand your point, but I think what Strider and others may be wondering is, "why is there a topic speficially about whites who behave in this fashion, and not anyone else?"
quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: So why single us out?
Not all white people. The people who do this sort of thing, who have this casual racism, it needs to stop. People need to educate themselves, do more research and not make these kind of remarks because they are extremely insensitive.
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Synesthesia, it might be better to complain about people who engage in a bad behaviour without referencing race. The behaviour is bad, whoever does it. Right?
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I'll agree that at least Americans as a general rule are often very insensitive to racial differences (and I'll even go so far as to say white americans).
However, I disagree about the whole "tired of the concept of race." While I don't like it being used as a method of predjudice or judgement, race is an important factor in life and will continue to be for a long time (potentially forever). Perhaps we'll get to the point in another few hundred years where the color of your skin won't necessarily be a usable factor in determining race, but there will always be important cultural differences based on your upbringing and surroundings etc...
Examples: My coworker David: his family is Chinese and he's been in the country for 20 years and is a very intelligent guy, went to American Highschool and college etc, is fluent in english, yet he perpetually makes notable grammar mistakes due to his childhood speaking chinese, and his often using jokes and/or phrases that don't make sense in English.
Another coworker just got back from a trip to Japan where it was important for her to constantly be aware of extreme cultural differences in how to phrase things, certain things to say and not say, how to interpret questions etc...
Other people can quickly sum up a rough synopsis by saying things like "I'm a German Catholic"
Even as much as America is a melting pot, there are extreme differences between someone who was born and raised in rural west virginia versus rural Idaho versus Harlem versus Chino versus East Saint Louis versus Beverly Hills...
Do we all need a greater appreciation of the state of the rest of the world? Certainly
Am I offended when every European I ran into brought up Capone whenever I mentioned being from Chicago? No, and I don't think others should be either unless these kinds of things are pointedly malicious.
There's way too much focus on extreme political correctness past the point of reason.
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Synesthesia, you seem to be unaware how bothered people get by hearing common stereotypes about white people, such as "Many white people do not bother to try to understand other people's cultures." You may not have meant to say something hurtful, but you did and you need to learn not to do that...
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quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: Synesthesia, it might be better to complain about people who engage in a bad behaviour without referencing race. The behaviour is bad, whoever does it. Right?
It is, but right now, since I'm reading this book Yellow and this other book about slavery called Of Inhuman Bondage my problem is specifically with a handful of American white people... Many who would wonder why people would even be offended by such statements. I can't, at this moment think of equivolent remarks directed at white people, maybe assuming that all white people are rich (the phrase white people doesn't really make a damn bit of sense... neither does black people, neither one look black or white, why do we even have to USE those phrases in the first place?) the way my relatives would, statements like that against white people bother me too, statements like that against any group of people, gays, Christians, when people assume that all white people are racist when they are not. That is not my intention in starting this topic, staying that every single white person in America is racist and insensitive towards other ethnic groups. Maybe it's something that needs to be pointed out. People don't always know they are being rude even with "positive" stereotypes like assuming that all Asians are good in math and all black people have good rhthym. I don't know what can be done about the problem, it's so engrained in the culture, in the movies and shows that people don't notice it. It seems like stupid little things, like making whooping noises or whatever, but it's still disrespectful...
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Synesthsia, how would it sound if I said, "I am not saying that every single black person in american is lazy and stupid, but I am reading this book about it and I just hate black people who are lazy and stupid"?
You see what I am doing there? Replacing ethnicity and attributes doesn't help it any.
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quote:That is not my intention in starting this topic, staying that every single white person in America is racist and insensitive towards other ethnic groups.
*nod* But the problem with this thread is that the title implies that only whites are capable of of the type of behavior you describe, or at least that the behavior appears predominatly in the white population. While that probably wasn't your intention either, the statement "People and group X have Y traits" can be considered a type of stereotyping, even though it usually isn't intended to.
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee: Synesthesia, you seem to be unaware how bothered people get by hearing common stereotypes about white people, such as "Many white people do not bother to try to understand other people's cultures." You may not have meant to say something hurtful, but you did and you need to learn not to do that...
I need to find a way to make what I'm saying clearer, I've read the topic several times and have changed it to try to do that. It's not all white people. It's some, a handful, I don't know how many, but some. Perhaps I shouldn't bother posting when my head feels like this, but it's only some white people who are like this, who might make casual statements they don't intend to be racist, but they are and it BOTHERS ME. It bothers me so much. I am so tired of all these ism and my inability to do anything about it. Like this model minority myth and things like that. What I want is for all people to evolve and to stop doing things like this, to stop with the unconscious racist remarks and to respect people, but I have no idea if that will ever come about. I'm thinking about the future and having an unsual family and what I can do about the remaks that could be made and how to combat them. I am not singling out every single white person, only the minority of people who still do things like this and wonder why the person got so angry at them. If stuff like that happened to me, i was too stupid or too in my own world to notice it... Maybe it happened when I was younger or something.
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Synesthesia, I think it'll help if you embrace the idea of race as a cultural paradigm in America.
quote: I'm tired of the concept of race. I can't understand why we need it, or why people insist on judging people based on something as arbitrary or illogical as skin color and facial features. I don't understand why people stereotype based on these things. But this sort of thing matters to many people.
It's not about skin color or facial features. It's about cultural history and how that informs who we are as people.
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Maybe I feel like I don't HAVE a culture in a way... Like i don't exactly fit into society and I'm not sure why that is. I went to a school with all black people, and didn't completely fit in, I went to college with primarily white people, didn't really completely fit in there either. I think I have my own individual culture or something, if that's possible. I don't know. I do know all the white stereotypes irratate me as much as the black, Asian, Jewish or what ever. I have no idea how we're going to become a society that doesn't do that anymore and sees people as people and not a series of stereotypes or jokes, or a group to use as a plot devise.
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quote:Originally posted by kmbboots: So why single us out?
Not all white people. The people who do this sort of thing, who have this casual racism, it needs to stop. People need to educate themselves, do more research and not make these kind of remarks because they are extremely insensitive.
Which is the same behavior displayed in comments like this:
quote:White people have the luxury of not having to think about their whiteness.
I know others have already mentioned this, but it's a huge, huge pet peeve of mine.
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I don't think a lot of white people have to think about their whiteness the way, say, black people think about blackness... Which just makes me think of something else, stuff that happened ages ago, the way some security guard in high school said I wasn't black enough, for some silly reason, perhaps because she asked me about the Oscars or something. I don't even LIKE the Oscars, I will only watch it if nothing else is on, or maybe I didn't act.. stereotypical enough, I didn't like rap, I didn't dress or act a certain way, I don't know why that's a problem or why she should even care... You'd never get this sort of thing from white folks, but mostly from fellow black people which doesn't make any sense because why should i prove my blackness by acting in a way I don't want to act when I am walking around with such awesome looking brown skin? But that's a bit of a tangent, but it still annoys me, and a former stepmother said the same thing because I din't like the latest music. I don't think a lot of white people make as big a deal about being white and the Standards of White Behavior the way some blacks do, or maybe it doesn't permiate their existence the way some people mght have to double-think before they talk in order not to seem like a negative stereotype. I don't think I do that, but I've had to retype stuff dozens of times so I don't sound harsh ><. Maybe it just seems like that because of my weird perception. There doesn't seem to be the same WEIGHT to being white like there is to being black, but I can't figure out how to state that in a clear way, the feeling is different.
I got to find books about how Irish people, Italians and Eastern Europeans weren't considered white at one time...
I don't mean to come out as offensive, but I feel like it's something that needs to be pointed out and then eliminated... So that people think before immatating Asian languages with "ching chang chong" when they don't even sound like that, or before people assume that a black person got a job because of affirmative action or stuff like that...
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My boyfriend and I are both blonde, blue-eyed, and part Cherokee. I think he's half Cherokee, actually. And we don't find the need to think about our "redness" or whatever, either. I think any perceived "need" to think about it is, for the most part, self-imposed and should not be used to illustrate some kind of racial inequality.
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While I'm not going to make any claims that whiteness incurs anything even remotely approaching the kind of problems that other ethnicities tends to do (both here and abroad) I will say that I'm constantly aware of my whiteness living in LA and constantly have to watch my words carefully and honestly it bothers me that I have to.
hell, I even get harassed by people when I mention that someone is short, because apparently some people are offended when someone comments correctly on their height.
<note: Synesthesia this rant isn't directed at you so much as at the whole concept of political correctness>
another example of how these examples of unintentional racism are unfair to everyone: 1) I meet someone of Asian descent and comment on how good their english is. They get offended because they are from Detroit. 2) I meet someone of Asian descent and comment on how good their english is. They are from Beijing and are quite flattered that their training has paid off so well. 3) I meet someone of Asian descent and comment on how good their english is. They are from LA, but commisserate with me on how much they have to try, and how much it bothers them when other Asians make mistakes based on their upbringing. (note this last one is actually one of my coworkers)
I'll agree that it can be offensive to some, but it can also be the appropriate flattering response, or a neutral comment to make.
And certainly there are certain things to avoid, such as blatantly assuming that someone is from another country just because they aren't white, but I'd argue that at least a portion of what you're mentioning as bothering you are in fact perfectly acceptable things to do/say in various circumstances that just happen to backfire sometimes.
It's kinda like congratulating someone who you think is pregnant only to find that they're just overweight. but if you didn't congratulate them on the pregnancy they might think you assumed they were just fat...
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quote:Originally posted by Synesthesia: I don't mean to come out as offensive, but I feel like it's something that needs to be pointed out and then eliminated... So that people think before immatating Asian languages with "ching chang chong" when they don't even sound like that, or before people assume that a black person got a job because of affirmative action or stuff like that...
Both types of things which are done by blacks, Asians, etc. IOW, it's not whether it's all whites, some whites, or most whites -- it's not about whites, it's about people.
A lot of these incidents come from innocent ignorance.
I have had variants of the following conversation many times.
Person who has noticed my snood (or something else about how I dress): Where are you from?
Me: Here.
P: No, I mean where were you born.
Me: New Jersey.
P: Oh. Where are your parents from?
Me: New York and Chicago.
P: Aren't you from Israel?
Me: Nope. I have some relatives who live there, but most of them were born in the U.S. too.
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Yeah, you can't win in a way, but you got to admit it's gotten better. Also, I admit some people can be so over sensitive and automatically assume that a person is being racist because they say the wrong thing wtihout meaning to because they just don't know. Like dealing with a woman who is really irratable and will get so mad if you say it's because of PMS when she had a rough day. Maybe people of other races should put themselves in the shoes of well-meaning white people who are just trying to carry on a conversation and don't mean to step on toes, and whites should put themselves in the shoes of people who get so tired of hearing people say the same sort of things to them all the time.
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I come from a place (within the U.S.) where white people are the minority, and I can tell you that racism is something that occurs across cultural and ethnic boundaries. I'm as likely to be stereotyped as I walk into a store as anyone else, even though I'm "white", because racism isn't something that one race does to another, it's something one individual does to another. It goes back to that old fact about how there is more genetic diversity in a troop of baboons than in the human race. Individual variaition in personality is more important in affecting a person's characteristics than skin color.
Like Irami pointed out earlier, culture is what makes large groups of people act differently from other groups of people. That occurs within races as well as (and more frequently than) between them. White college students probably have a different culture than white WWII veterans living in Chile. No one is 100% genetically one "race" anyway so racists are hypocrites because their as likely as not to be at least partially related to the race they're berating.
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I did say up there that people from every culture and religion do it. It's a stupid and annoying thing to do. I don't care if it's biological, we don't need it anymore. Nowadays it seems to cause more problems than solve them...
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quote:Originally posted by Synesthesia: Some whites will also say the same thing about black people. "You're so articulate." They may not realise that what they are saying is offensive, but it is.
Well, if you mean that the implication is "you're very articulate for a black person," then that certainly is offensive. However, how can you know? I've been told I'm articulate before (even though lately I swear I can't utter a coherent thought). I'm white, so I have no reason to be suspicious of the compliment. But if the same person said it to you, do you think it's a given that it would be meant condescendingly?
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Oh, btw Syn, I'm not negating that those kinds of comments are made and meant in the way you said. I know it's out there, and I try to examine my own attitudes.
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I think Syn's point in her opening post - that being in the majority race in America confers benefits that members of that race often don't realize - is an important one.
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quote:White people have the luxury of not having to think about their whiteness. No one will doubt their intelligence because of the colour of their skin,
No, but they will because of the accent they use when they speak, or if they say they're from Alabama, or they happen to listen to country music and like NASCAR.
White people are not immune to being stereotyped and judged.
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What bothers me is that apparently, racism towards non-whites is a BIG BIG PROBLEM, whereas racism towards whites is rarely even mentioned. It's a really stupid double standard. If you really want to get rid of racism, then stop looking at a racial group as the source of all racism and oppression.
quote:Originally posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan: I think Syn's point in her opening post - that being in the majority race in America confers benefits that members of that race often don't realize - is an important one.
That's the point i was trying to make. All racism is bad, but on a historical level, white on non-white racism is a bit worse because historically most of the power belong to whites. Historically speaking, non-whites haven't had the power to shut out whites the way whites have, to shut them out of jobs or housing, that sort of thing, or to impose segragation. What many fail to realize is that racism has been institutional in this country for ages. It makes me so angry that it took several centuries for blacks to get any sort of equality. Not to mention all the problems other non-whites have had. Perhaps it's wrong of me to get angry over innocent remarks that people don't intend to be racist, but it's history, there's an other side of history a whole group of people is unaware of.
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quote: there's an other side of history a whole group of people is unaware of. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Emphasis mine.
That is exactly the kind of crap I'm talking about. You're not comfortable with even the POSSIBILITY that someone might be making a generalization about a group to which you belong, but you're perfectly comfortable making generalizations about another group. That's bull.
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Dude, I'm not making generalizations, there really are SOME PEOPLE who are unaware of history, who never really have to think about it and ask, why don't you put it behind you, it's not that simple, just because it's the past doesn't mean it's not still there. There are quite a few people who have the illusion that America is this perfect country, and this isn't the case. Back in school we got the edited version of history that brushed over the nastier details of things. This needs to be faced so we can have a future where this sort of stuff doesn't exist anymore. I'm not making generalizations, stop accusing me of that, I'm trying to point out the way the nastier aspects of history have been ignored and what it has done to this country, somehow it has to stop...
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quote:Originally posted by Synesthesia: White people have the luxury of not having to think about their whiteness. No one will doubt their intelligence because of the colour of their skin, usually that has more to do with poverty than anything else. They don't know what it's like to be Native American and to have aspects of your culture constantly poked fun of and cannot understand why some Native Americans are offended by names like the Chiefs or the Braves or that whole waving of the tomahawk thing.
Well, no...I've never had my intelligence doubted because of the color of my skin. On the other hand I have had my intelligence not only doubted but insulted many times because I am a woman. Other times, this has happened because I am fat. Because everyone knows, you know, that fat people are all stupid and lazy.
In addition, there are the numerous times where, when people have found out that my father was born in Germany, the automatic next question has seemed to be, "So, are you a Nazi?" Excuse me? My father was in the Army-Air Force in World War II and spent two years in a Nazi prisoner of war camp, and that makes that question even more offensive to me than it would be otherwise.
So, you know, don't assume that I don't know how it is to be stereotyped because of my ancestry or because of what I look like.
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Syn, you started a thread to discuss how to combat racism and proceed to fill with a great deal of casual racism.
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Here are just a few of the racial generalizations you've made:
quote:Many white people do not bother to try to understand other people's cultures, but blacks, Asian Americans, Latinos, Native Americans and other non-whites cannot afford this, they have to learn to navagate through the primarily white world.
quote:this topic is about white people who do this
quote:There doesn't seem to be the same WEIGHT to being white like there is to being black
quote:white on non-white racism is a bit worse
Hey, you wanna talk about negative stereotypes against whites? Isn't there a movie called White Men Can't Jump? What about the idea that white people can't dance? That white people are worse at basketball? That white people are afraid people who aren't white?
What bothers me is that you're focusing on WHITE PEOPLE who do this and not PEOPLE. PEOPLE from any race can be racist, and focusing on it like it's a big problem for whites and not for anyone else is inherently racist.
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I'm not assuming you don't know what it's like to be stereotyped. And I'm not trying to be racist... I'm not saying that every single last white person is like this or is a secret member of the kkk, i am saying that some are like this without intending to be that way, or some will jump on the bandwagon against a group without knowing the full story behind things. But I am not lumping all white people into the same catergory and in fact think that things like this are stupid and I wish we could just get rid of it...
I wish I could find a clearer way to say what I'm trying to say!
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Ok, too different problems with things you've said here Syn.
First:
quote:All racism is bad, but on a historical level, white on non-white racism is a bit worse because historically most of the power belong to whites. Historically speaking, non-whites haven't had the power to shut out whites the way whites have, to shut them out of jobs or housing, that sort of thing, or to impose segragation. What many fail to realize is that racism has been institutional in this country for ages. It makes me so angry that it took several centuries for blacks to get any sort of equality. Not to mention all the problems other non-whites have had. Perhaps it's wrong of me to get angry over innocent remarks that people don't intend to be racist, but it's history, there's an other side of history a whole group of people is unaware of.
You want to know why people can't just let racism go? Cause you're still beating the dead horse!! I'm sorry, but I never held slaves, I've never put a black person down for being black and hell if black people would let me, I'd love to forget about that entire part of history, I'd love to forget about skin color.
And you know, I've met a number of black people who let me do just that, I don't even notice the color of their skin -- anymore than I notice the color of their hair. But there are others who very much don't. I don't know what it is, something about the way they act, the way they treat me, I feel like I'm walking on thin ice around them.
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You're using "white" like it's a monolithic race. It's not! I can tell people of different descents apart. Someone of Irish decent clearly looks different from someone of Italian or Scandinavian decent. Folks of Irish decent get stereotyped all the time for being of Irish decent. As do Italian folks. Haven't you ever heard people making jokes about people of obvious Italian decent being in the mob? Or someone say "Well, duh he's an alcoholic, he's Irish!" Are you gonna tell me that's different from black folks being stereotyped, some how less? Cause their skin's white?
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