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Wow, look at all the disgusting little "Graemlins" that appear in a big cluster under the posting box. It's enough to make someone sick. Okay, what was I going to say...oh yeah.
As the topic header would indicate, this is a thread devoted to finding out what you all think of me.
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quote:Originally posted by Survivor: As the topic header would indicate, this is a thread devoted to finding out what you all think of me.
I'm too much of a newbie to have any idea who you as an individual are from experience, but from the lowness of your member number, lower than some of the Card family (who appear to use their own names as nicks), you've been here a long, long time. You used that particular quotation for your subject line, which implies one of two things: either that you have an ego amounting to megalomaniacal, or you're simply Biblically oriented and rational about it. Since I'm reading back in the oldest threads that interest me, I guess I'll find out who you are, but probably not until I've interacted directly with you more. But I guess that I'm one of "all".
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Given your shall we say 'flamboyant' post in the Carter & Jews thread, all I can say about you for the time being is that I believe you're attempting to manipulate people into a bad reaction, and a negative opinion of you. Doing so rather crudely, too. As well as with your post in this thread, you're obviously trying to provoke people.
With that, my opinion of you is to be mildly curious as to why you'd want such a reaction, and distaste that you'd use such a method (even given its likely intent).
Beyond that? I don't think anything of you until after doing a search on your member name. 13 posts in over a year's time isn't really much to base an opinion on, but you've said some strange, distasteful, and potentially alarming things in that time. So I guess my further reaction would be a desire that you spoke more plainly in the future, without attempting to jerk people's chains so deliberately.
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You're a secret member of the Ultra-Ornery OSC Cabal bent on turning our fellow citizens into show-tune-singing communist robots!!!!!! I knew it!!!!
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I know you. You have gotten thornier than before, and haughtier, and more contemptuous of humans, and less open to our thoughts and words and seemingly less aware of our divine status as children of God.
There's quite a bit of your poetry that I posted on the original potry thread from a time when you were younger and seemingly more alive.
I remember your first posts were intriguing and thought provoking, and very truthful, also I remember your devastating intelligence. Also your wisdom. But this harshness is not wisdom.
You say this is a cesspool. Is that because of us? Or is it a quality that you bring with you inside your own heart? Are you still trying to herd the rocks of your dream? What ever made you think that insulting and belittling people was the correct way to love them? That is a mistake, my friend. One that you are too intelligent and too wise to be making.
You know that I think very highly of you. And I wonder why you are asking this question here. I also wonder why you try to act so superior to us when your Master was born in a barn, and is a lamb.
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In all fairness, I recall a thread actually called "Look at me! Look at me!" from a few years back.
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Yeah, I'm Survivor from the writer's workshops. But it's okay if you want to regard that as a separate "persona" (it's really not, but that's beside the point). I'm more interested in what people think about my posting here and in other "unrestricted" forums.
rivka doesn't know any of my sisters all that well if she means what she said...but then, I already knew that much. The main issue is that the sister in question and I have different attitudes towards revealing personally identifiable information online. Since I have no interest in hiding my name, and she does, it causes the odd conflict when we tromp each other's pastures (so to speak).
I'm asking out of curiosity, mostly. I came here (as I mentioned before) to check out a particularly blatent troll surge against the writer's forums. Didn't find anything definite, though the final troll (before all the trolls were banned) was very...suggestive. I'm quite interested in finding out anything that might have been behind it (I'm pretty sure we already know who was behind it). But, sadly, I simply lack the patience to deal with all the inane crap that makes this forum the "lovely" place it is.
So I ask a direct question that should have some minor bearing on the issue. I'm not afraid to ask directly whether anyone knows anything about the recent trolling, but I doubt that easy answers would be forthcoming. So put that aside. I am, for reasons independent of that incident, interested in finding out what you all think and or know about me.
I'm rather astonished that PJ saw fit to edit my post about the Carter thing, by the way. Mostly what I said was that it wasn't anti-semitism because both sides are semitic, and the world would be better off if both sides started playing by the same rules. Perhaps I was a little too clear about which set of rules I would prefer, but that's hardly new information for anyone that recognizes my membername.
Anyway, if anyone wants to refer to what they thought about events of Oct. 2005, I'd be quite interested. I'm open to information about how my latest incursion is regarded, but I don't expect most of you to have really noticed it. Still, if you have, feel free to let me know your perspective on the matter.
P.S. Twelve, huh? Ah, to be young again...wait, I think we have run across each other.
Tatiana...you know it causes me pain. But I should humble myself before God rather than man. I cannot deny what I am, even though I do not fully understand why such an existance is necessary on this world. If you think my words are harsh, I have little comfort to offer you concerning what must soon come to pass.
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Survivor, I don't know what made the troll go a-trollin', but "that's what trolls do" is a pretty good answer.
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quote:I'm asking out of curiosity, mostly. I came here (as I mentioned before) to check out a particularly blatent troll surge against the writer's forums. Didn't find anything definite, though the final troll (before all the trolls were banned) was very...suggestive. I'm quite interested in finding out anything that might have been behind it (I'm pretty sure we already know who was behind it). But, sadly, I simply lack the patience to deal with all the inane crap that makes this forum the "lovely" place it is.
So you're what, investigating an attack on your own forums? Investigating it how? By perpetrating trollish behavior here? Your claims and your methods don't match. Furthermore, you're not really being very remarkable with this "I'm not afraid to tell the unpleasant truth" angle-it's been heard before, from people more respected around here in the past. Perhaps if you offered some reasons, it might be taken seriously.
quote:I am, for reasons independent of that incident, interested in finding out what you all think and or know about me.
This seems rather self-important to me. Why should anyone know or care who you are and what you think about things? And furthermore, why should you care enough to post a haughty question/insult thread about it?
quote:But I should humble myself before God rather than man. I cannot deny what I am, even though I do not fully understand why such an existance is necessary on this world. If you think my words are harsh, I have little comfort to offer you concerning what must soon come to pass.
I seem to recall some suggestions within Christian doctrine (I'm presuming that, from Tatiana's post to you, and your response to it, that you're a Christian) of the value and importance of humility, even for good, honest, Christlike people and especially for the rest of us who fall far short of those excellent goals.
As for the rest...speak plainly and be done with it, please. Your words about "what must come to pass" lead me to think that you want people to jump through a variety of hoops for you, guessing your meaning and perhaps gaining wisdom from understanding your perspective. What makes you think you merit that sort of consideration? I'm not even saying that as an insult, but as an honest critical question: instead of asking us what we think of you, show us why we should think of you.
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quote:Anyway, if anyone wants to refer to what they thought about events of Oct. 2005, I'd be quite interested.
Sophie wore a purple unicorn outfit and carried a tiny, fist-sized wicker pumpkin basket. We also went to a local harvest festival. It was a good year for apples, although not quite as good as the year before it for the specific varieties I prefer. We put up our first server with SQL 2005 that month, too, although I'm pretty sure it didn't go into production until November.
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I'm on this planet to assist in the extinction of your species pursuant to making it a fit habitation for truly sentient life. Is that sufficiently clear? I usually talk around this point because it upsets humans to hear about this, but that is the truth. Sometimes I throw in a bone or two about transcending your humanity and joining the celestial society that blah blah blah...but only when I'm talking to people who I know are seriously open to pursuing that course. Some Christian religions teach a compatable message, but most don't.
A further question, just what is "trollish" about my behavior here? I've been honest in my statements and as polite as is compatable with stating the truth. I've declined to comment on a number of subjects where I felt there was nothing meaningful I could contribute, even though I do have opinions. The fact that I don't bend over backwards to agree with statements I don't agree with makes me a troll? Or is it the fact that I don't post often enough, and thus don't "belong" to the "community" here?
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Be straiter. How do you plan on extincting us? Biologically? Some sort of a infertility/bubonic plague type deal? Are you going to kill us with your mind? And I'm also interested in this "truly sentient life". I want to know who's going to be replacing me.
As for trollish, I define it as being deliberately hurtful or detrimental to the community the majority of the time. So a part of it does have to do with community, yes. If someone who posts here very often has a bad week, its easier to understand. If you just jump in after a year or two of absence and post insensitive (regardless of honesty) statements, it's going to be received badly. I'm sorry, that's how we inferior forms of life do things. Deal with it.
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Are you serious? And please, don't tell me anything about not being 'open-minded' or not. That's a very unusual statement you've just made, and it would inspire anyone who hadn't heard it before to at least think that question I just asked.
quote:I've been honest in my statements and as polite as is compatable with stating the truth.
What makes you think honesty and trolling behavior are mutually exclusive? They aren't.
quote:The fact that I don't bend over backwards to agree with statements I don't agree with makes me a troll? Or is it the fact that I don't post often enough, and thus don't "belong" to the "community" here?
You aren't some sort of martyr, boldly telling the truth and to hell with the consequences, like I've said before. While you may be stating your opinions truthfully, and I take you at your word that you are, there are many methods of communication. Surely you must have known that choosing to phrase your ideas in the way you did would incite irritation, annoyance, even anger...and very likely you did not imagine that your statements would change anyone's mind or cause them to think seriously about what you were saying.
In other words, whether speaking honestly or not, you were baiting people, you were posting in a trollish way. I don't know whether or not you belong to this community, since I'm not its spokesman. There isn't a spokesman for this sort of community. But despite your scare-quotes, it is a community.
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What type of ascetic do you lay claim to be?
You are definitely not gnostic, or taoist, or benevolent buddhist, yet I get the impression you are trying to pursue an eastern lifestyle, so what are you?
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People, before you give Richard a hard time for being all emo, I just want to remind you that facilitating the extinction of the human race does not in fact violate the User's Agreement.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: People, before you give Richard a hard time for being all emo, I just want to remind you that facilitating the extinction of the human race does not in fact violate the User's Agreement.
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I'll answer your question, by the way, since I've now posted a few times on your thread without doing it and feel a bit bad about ignoring the topic:
I think you're a reasonably talented writer, although weak at dialogue. I think your "freedom fighter" proposal for personalized militias was interesting but flawed, in that it solved two problems while creating two more; I suspect that it appears less flawed if you share many premises with someone like Heinlein. I also think you pretend to be profoundly broken as an excuse to avoid working on the ways in which you're mildly broken.
It's my opinion that you have a great deal to offer, but are incredibly wary of emotional risk and therefore have come to embrace your masks in a way that does not permit you to acknowledge that they are masks. This makes it incredibly difficult for you to interact with people in unfocused social situations. When you are frustrated by events, you appear to be consumed briefly by self-loathing that you then redirect externally, acting out until people feel compelled to "stop" you in some way.
I've always been interested in knowing you better, because I suspect there's real depth to your character.
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After reading your profile, I see that we've met. I was in your home ward for several years, and I know some of your family. I don't know if you'd remember me; we certainly weren't on any more than a "hello" basis. My name is Kristina and I was in my mid-late 30s when there.
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I didn't claim to be an aescetic...though I suppose that I am, when you come right down to it. I do follow Tao, and I suppose that I have a few odd bits and pieces of gnosis that I'm keeping in reserve. I'm also quite serious about the catastrophic extinction of the human species. Unfortunately, I cannot divulge further information about what role I play in that, partly because I'm not privy to every detail myself. I'm actually quite a low-ranking fellow, you see
A world of beauty, and love, and truth. It is coming...I wonder how many of you are determined to do what is necessary to partake. But that is not my calling. I've gone as far as is permitted me in sounding the warning cry.
A martyr...if only. But you are closer to death than I.
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I think you're an attention hungry instigator who sort of bores me and that's upset about something in their life. For some unknown reason, you seem to be projecting that feeling onto Hatrack.
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quote:A world of beauty, and love, and truth. It is coming...I wonder how many of you are determined to do what is necessary to partake. But that is not my calling. I've gone as far as is permitted me in sounding the warning cry.
Ha, what a crock. What are you, Ellsworth Toohey or something?
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quote:Sanity? I don't remember having something worthless like that in the first place.
Have you been diagnosed with a mental illness, Survivor?
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Edited to add: I ask directly because if you have been diagnosed, it would help us understand why you are acting out here, such as writing that you wanted to "take a knife to this #*^!^er's jewels" (regarding a young member of Hatrack) for something you read into his posts -- something which, by the way, wasn't actually there.
You are also speaking delusionally. Mental illness would both help explain this and help us know how to interact with you more effectively.
I have read some of your posts on the Writer's Forum and they are thoughtful, most interesting, and very intelligent. You strike me as a thoughtful, interesting, intelligent person who may have a mental illness that may currently be making it more challenging to deal with his life and us.
quote:A world of beauty, and love, and truth. It is coming...I wonder how many of you are determined to do what is necessary to partake.
It seems to me that if helping facilitate the destruction (murder) of humanity is part of what is necessary to partake of this glorious future, then no, I'm not prepared to "do what is necessary". I'm happy to be unprepared to do what is necessary, actually.
But that's all the conversation I'm going to give you about this subject, Survivor. Clearly, you are badly deluded or at least want people to think you're badly deluded. If the latter, I cannot speculate as to why. I don't know what's happened in your life to lead to either thing, but you need help. Professional help. You should seek it out quickly, and move past this nonsense-the sooner you do, the happier you'll be.
Might be good places to start. Like I said, I think you're badly deluded, or want others to think you are. In either case, I don't think it's a good idea to continue feeding either thing by talking seriously with you about it. I suggest that others do the same.
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You're William Magill From Candleton Hill and filled with skill of chisel and drill but ill is your will when giving a bill to millers named Gil for a quarter a mil
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Other than that, I have no idea who you are or why I should care.
edit: I caught Rakeesh's post from above and now I read the rest of the thread. I'm going to add my voice to the people telling you to look for help. You sound like you are suffering from delusions or are trying to play it off like you are. Either way, it is unhealthy and you may become a danger to yourself or others.
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Survivor, I think you were upset by the personal nature of the trolling attack in the other forum, and you're looking for reassurance that people don't hate you. Is my guess correct?
I mean, I wouldn't put up a thread asking what people think of me. I'm afraid what answers I might get! But you did. What are you really after here?
If my guess is correct, you'll get a few serious answers (as you have), but you'll mostly get reactions to your post. If it's rude, you get hostility back. If it's nice, you might still get hostility back, because people often react from what's inside them rather than what's inside you.
What I think of you: you are incisive and insightful regarding what goes wrong with people's writing. You say off-the-wall things like that you aren't human, and you're crusty. But even these aren't things about _you_, they're things about how you express yourself on these forums. For us to know you, you'll have to let down some barriers. What I mean is speaking authentically about what's right now (like I'm trying to do, myself, right now). I think it would be good to know you a little better, and I expect you'll get better answers to your question.
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I'm not trying to be mean, but I actually haven't really noticed Survivor's posts on this forum. Posts: 13123 | Registered: Feb 2002
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quote: I'm on this planet to assist in the extinction of your species pursuant to making it a fit habitation for truly sentient life. Is that sufficiently clear? I usually talk around this point because it upsets humans to hear about this, but that is the truth. Sometimes I throw in a bone or two about transcending your humanity and joining the celestial society that blah blah blah...but only when I'm talking to people who I know are seriously open to pursuing that course. Some Christian religions teach a compatable message, but most don't.
I would assume he is kidding?
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In this thread, Survivor has stated he is not kidding and has apparently made similar statements elsewhere. So, he does not say he is kidding.
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Eh, I think he's kidding. I think he sees all the negative assessments of his character as being somewhat over the top and responding in a similiar over the top fashion.
Of course, if he's not kidding, I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords and would just like to point out that there's a lot of free real estate out Utah way.
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