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14 Gallipoli 14 Full Metal Jacket 14 Der Untergang (Downfall) 12 Sgt. York 12 Glory 12 The Great Escape 12 Midway 12 Apocalypse Now 12 Lawrence of Arabia 12 Gettysburg 10 Das Boot 10 Band of Brothers 10 The Longest Day 10 Tora! Tora! Tora! 10 Grave of the Fireflies 8 Bridge on the River Kwai 8 Patton 4 Kelly’s Heroes 4 Guns of Navarone 4 Platoon
Eliminated: Troy The Thin Red Line Gladiator M*A*S*H Jarhead Tears of the Sun Master & Commander Three Kings Braveheart Enemy at the Gates Red Dawn Blackhawk Down Zulu Hotel Rwanda Spartacus The Great Raid The Big Red One Crimson Tide Saving Private Ryan
+2 Gettysburg -2 Sgt. York -2 Kelly’s Heroes
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16 Sgt. York 12 Full Metal Jacket 12 Der Untergang (Downfall) 12 Gallipoli 12 Grave of the Fireflies 12 Midway 12 Apocalypse Now 12 Glory 10 Lawrence of Arabia 10 The Great Escape 10 Gettysburg 10 Das Boot 10 Band of Brothers 10 The Longest Day 10 Tora! Tora! Tora! 8 Patton 6 Bridge on the River Kwai 6 Platoon 2 Kelly’s Heroes
Eliminated: Troy The Thin Red Line Gladiator M*A*S*H Jarhead Tears of the Sun Master & Commander Three Kings Braveheart Enemy at the Gates Red Dawn Blackhawk Down Zulu Hotel Rwanda Spartacus The Great Raid The Big Red One Crimson Tide Saving Private Ryan Guns of Navarone
+2 Glory -4 FMJ
Glory and Gettysburg's historical inaccuracies bother you over the rest of this list? Hoo boy. The speechifying in Gettysburg can be a bit much for some people, and maybe I wouldn't have minded it being 45 minutes shorter and lacking them, but what they got right (which is a lot) is still fantastic. Same thing with Glory, so far as inaccuracies and fantasticness.
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Boy, oh boy, so many truly excellent war movies removed while others not so excellent remain (I'm just complainin' cuz mine didn't make it, guys, no one get upset)
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(I have an emotional bias against the movie, and I freely admit it. Would've like to have stuck him with itchy briar thorns, that pompous strutting loon. )
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(Oh, well if it's a personal dispute with General Patton, then I withdraw my Fie-age. He was definitely a very controversial character...and probably not someone I'd want to be around for a big length of time. He was certainly crazy, and rude, and sometimes crazy like a fox.)
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(It shouldn't really affect my judgment of the movie as a movie, though. This is one of those places where I am less than I would wish to be.)
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(Dude-and I find myself saying that more lately, I need to restrict that damn word!-don't be ridiculous! In a film like Patton, seperating the film from the portrayl of the man is like trying to unscramble your morning eggs)
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14 Sgt. York 12 Full Metal Jacket 12 Der Untergang (Downfall) 12 Gallipoli 12 Grave of the Fireflies 10 Midway 10 Apocalypse Now 10 Glory 10 Lawrence of Arabia 10 The Great Escape 10 Das Boot 10 Band of Brothers 10 The Longest Day 10 Tora! Tora! Tora! 8 Gettysburg 8 Patton 6 Bridge on the River Kwai 4 Platoon 2 Kelly’s Heroes
Eliminated: Troy The Thin Red Line Gladiator M*A*S*H Jarhead Tears of the Sun Master & Commander Three Kings Braveheart Enemy at the Gates Red Dawn Blackhawk Down Zulu Hotel Rwanda Spartacus The Great Raid The Big Red One Crimson Tide Saving Private Ryan Guns of Navarone
+2 Gettysburg -2 FMJ -2 Sgt. York
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tatantella, your list is off, everyone please follow the list below. CT, I updated it to fix the Apocalypse Now error I made, and apologies for that.
14 Apocalypse Now 14 Der Untergang (Downfall) 14 Glory 14 Gallipoli 14 Grave of the Fireflies 12 Full Metal Jacket 12 Band of Brothers 10 Das Boot 10 Midway 8 Lawrence of Arabia 8 The Longest Day 8 Tora! Tora! Tora! 8 Gettysburg 6 Sgt. York 6 Bridge on the River Kwai 4 Patton 4 The Great Escape 2 Kelly’s Heroes
Eliminated: Troy The Thin Red Line Gladiator M*A*S*H Jarhead Tears of the Sun Master & Commander Three Kings Braveheart Enemy at the Gates Red Dawn Blackhawk Down Zulu Hotel Rwanda Spartacus The Great Raid The Big Red One Crimson Tide Saving Private Ryan Guns of Navarone Platoon
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: tatantella, your list is off, everyone please follow the list below. CT, I updated it to fix the Apocalypse Now error I made, and apologies for that.
No worries! I have done much worse myself, more times than I care to count. Thanks for the work of keeping an updated list.
+2 Grave of the Fireflies -2 Patton -2 Platoon
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quote:Originally posted by FlyingCow: Wow, BlackBlade, what didn't you like about Sgt. York so much?
Its more people are voting -4 to two movies I thought were amazing. So I took the one I thought was overated on the list and did a BlackBlade reality check on it.
I don't think Sgt. York is bad per se. But the fact The Great Escape has 4 points and within elimination from a single post disturbs me especially with Apocalypse Now currently in the lead, I really think its overrated, while Band of Brothers is initially took a huge pounding.
Similarly, I think Glory is a great movie, but certainly not greater then Saving Private Ryan which for some reason is not as "great" as Tora! Tora! Tora!
Also what was bad about Charlie Sheens performance in Platoon? I actually think Platoon was a well executed movie, though I disagree with some of its conclusions. Yet it too is beaten out by The Longest Day.
Obviously the list is not going to remotely reflect BlackBlade's perception of reality but I'll do what I can do make it do so as much as possible. Expect future hostility to be directed towards one of the top 3 movies in the list, but I'll admit Glory is OK where it is for now.
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quote:Originally posted by Storm Saxon: This whole thread is just a YMMV, Blackblade.
quote: Gary Cooper in a war movie annoys you, but you voted for Charlie Sheen in one? o.O
See, I thought he worked really well in Platoon.
"Obviously the list is not going to remotely reflect BlackBlade's perception of reality but I'll do what I can to make it do so as much as possible. "
Part of my "mileage" is that I am going to crush other's movies that I they may like but I do not and promote the ones I liked alot.
Initially I came into the thread determined to only vote against movies I have actually seen, but that resolve is being weakened daily.
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Yeah, this thread is good for getting ideas for movies, but I'm not sure it represents the best war movie. Posts: 13123 | Registered: Feb 2002
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No kidding. I've noticed that myself, but frankly I can't think of a system that'll work when most people haven't even seen half the movies on here.
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The Charlie Sheen comment was as a response to the Gary Cooper comment. It's not that Cooper was considered bad in the role, but that the idea of Cooper in that role was annoying. Struck me as odd... especially since the idea of Charlie Sheen as the central figure in a war film (knowing his other work) is equally or more improbable.
Seemed a strange reason to knock down a good movie - though Storm may have had other reasons, surely.
BlackBlade, your reasoning actually seems more sound in my mind. You're applying relativism, I guess. Vote for movies to move them ahead of others, and vote down movies to move them behind others. I get that.
As for my own reasons, I find Great Escape and Bridge on the River Kwai to be more prisoner movies than war movies. And I just never liked Platoon all that much.
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Not that I want to discuss it in any lengthy way, but part of the dynamic of The Great Escape was that they were prisoners in a time of war and thus were OBLIGATED to try and escape. How the German's dealt with that aspect was an ethical dilemma. A big chunk of the movie takes place outside the prison.
But if actual battles or skirmishes are part of the requisite for a war movie Ill concede that, The Great Escape does not deliver in that regard.
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