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Zeugma
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Well crap, it looks like I can't delete this many posts without bringing Hatrack down while I do it. I don't want to do that to you guys.

This freaking sucks. I wish I'd never come here in the first place.

But you get your wish, Lisa, I won't be able to remove much more. At least the last 12 hours have cemented my desire to leave. Bye.

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Lisa, you ARE being a jerk here.

-pH

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quote:
Originally posted by Zeugma:
Bye.

See you soon! [Wave]
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Gonna miss hearing your animation stories.

Take care

--j_k

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Zeugma, not that I am anywhere near as nice as BannaOj, but I would like to hear from you. My email is the same as my username at hotmail.
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I hate it when people want to leave and don't just leave. Why the drama?
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rivka
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeugma:
Well crap, it looks like I can't delete this many posts without bringing Hatrack down while I do it. I don't want to do that to you guys.

Appreciated.

It does rather make obvious the point that I and others were trying to make: Your posts are woven into the fabric of this place, and ripping them out leaves holes and gaps that matter and are noticed.

It's also seriously messing with the markers. Your recent post history now contains several thread that aren't yours -- presumably because the multiple deletions have affected the database. Hopefully this won't cause any further problems.

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quote:
Originally posted by rivka:
It's also seriously messing with the markers. Your recent post history now contains several thread that aren't yours -- presumably because the multiple deletions have affected the database. Hopefully this won't cause any further problems.

So besides the drama, Zeguma's exit also has the added bonus of bug testing. [Smile]
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And if the database is corrupted, they'll have to restore from backup and all the posts Zeugma did delete will be back! [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bokonon:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott R:
I'm considering eating a baby right now. I wouldn't normally be a waffler on this particular issue-- but I've recently noticed that my pants are more snug than I'm comfortable with.

So I may eat a kitten instead.

A simple solution. Baby rabbits. Lean, succulent baby rabbits.

-Bok

Simple? Perhaps. Solution? Nooooo!!!

[Frown]

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I honestly didn't even know who Zuegma was until about a month ago, and now she's leaving... [Frown]

Oh well...

Stay Chill [Cool]

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I'll miss discussing animation news with you, Zeugma.

Best of luck with whatever life has in store for you.

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Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA.
(I hear you man.)
Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA.
(I feel you man.)

Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA
å pushar på å smeker,
med motståndet vi leker.
Vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite DotA
å springer runt å creepar,
och motståndet vi sleepar.


(DotA!)

(Don't worry, be happy.)

[ September 12, 2007, 08:07 PM: Message edited by: Blayne Bradley ]

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Blayne, you're violating the no more than 3 lines of copywritten material rule. Please edit.
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Is it really illegal to post lyrics?
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It's a grey area, but we've been asked by the mods to keep it to 2 (?) lines.
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Considering how the lyrics of this song including the song itself is so easily availiable on Youtube and other sites that I really dont see the point of editing it.
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Architraz Warden
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Illegal yes. Does it matter? Who knows. Do we only post two lines at a time here? Yes.

The general consensus is that we don't want to risk getting OSC in trouble in case the RIAA gets really militant about posting lyrics. So, we stick to the strictest interpretation of the copyright law and limit it to two lines here (under penalty of... um, being voted off the island and perhaps being edited by Papa in case of extreme stubborness on your part).

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rivka
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quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
It's a grey area

Only if "gray area" means "no one is currently doing much to stop it."
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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Considering how the lyrics of this song including the song itself is so easily availiable on Youtube and other sites that I really dont see the point of editing it.

The point is that the extremely gracious owners of the site have asked us not post more than three lines of lyrics. Which you post still violates. They don't ask much of us, is remembering this one really that hard?
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That seems like pretty good definition of grey area to me.
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rivka
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It's illegal. That's not gray at all.
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It's not clear at all that it's illegal to post the copyrighted lyrics to a song - it very much depends on the context, including many factors. Fair use is pretty much the textbook example of "gray area." (Edit: To be clear, it is very often illegal to post copyrighted lyrics.)

What is clear is that our hosts have asked that we avoid the gray by following a bright-line rule of 3 lines.

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The exact number of lines that you can quote from a song and still be within fair use and not be infringing on copyright is definitely a grey area.
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Right. The proportion of a copyrighted work copied is 1 of 4 factors used to evaluate fair use. Sometimes copying the entire work is fair use. Sometimes less than one tenth of a percent is not fair use.
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rivka
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quote:
Originally posted by Dagonee:
Sometimes copying the entire work is fair use.

Hmm. Example, please?
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Haikus for academic commentary.
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rivka
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Ok. A haiku or other very short work, especially for academic use, I buy. I am not convinced that the full lyrics (or a large fraction thereof) of a song, for non-academic use, is in the same ballpark.
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A very simple song, consisting of a short melody and a repetitive refrain, could be similarly okay.
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Feliz Navidad.
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Thinking about it, even a more complex song would probably be okay, reproduced piecewise throughout an analysis or somesuch.
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Happy Birthday To You.
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quote:
Ok. A haiku or other very short work, especially for academic use, I buy.
That's black-and-white fair use.

quote:
I am not convinced that the full lyrics (or a large fraction thereof) of a song, for non-academic use, is in the same ballpark.
You're right - it's out of the trivial case and into the gray area.
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Reproducing Happy Birthday To You in many settings is not generally fair use. That's why restaurants who'll do birthday parties for kids generally sing their own little made up ditties. While it is probably fair use to sing for someone's birthday at home (at least, the copyright holder would never dare go after random people for it), reproducing it in print is probably generally not okay.

I suspect the copyright holder of Feliz Navidad has mostly given up trying to enforce it in many situations, either out of benevolence or exasperation [Wink] .

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Oh, I forgot some big ones. Google (and other) internet caches. To distribute copies of the song for study to a class. Copies of almost anything you've already purchased, for limited personal use.
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quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
Happy Birthday To You.

Snopes on Happy Birthday
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mr_porteiro_head
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quote:
Reproducing Happy Birthday To You in many settings is not generally fair use.
I suspect that reproducing the lyrics of the two-line song is.


X = "Happy Birthday to you"
Y = "Happy Birtday dear " + name

print X
print X
print Y
print X

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Don't take my word for it, take the courts' (check out the Snopes link). People routinely pay thousands of dollars for the right to present renditions of it (notably in movies).

edit: I do not mean to imply the courts have ruled against reproducing the lyrics. They have ruled on who owns the copyright, and that there is a copyright.

Notably, the song Happy Birthday is based on (Good Morning to All) is in the public domain, so you can sing that all you want. You could even describe the differences between the two lyrics, most definitely.

The courts might even agree you could reproduce the lyrics completely, but I woudn't call it certain.

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I didn't call it certain either. I said that I suspected it.
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Hah. There's threads in poor taste, there's threads in really poor taste, and then there's this.
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And then there's subject/verb agreement!
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[ROFL]
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quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
And then there's subject/verb agreement!

This moment is preserved on the internet forever >:[
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There seems to be a lot of snark around here lately [Frown]
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quote:
You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.

- Rules, Policies, and Disclaimers
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quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:
There seems to be a lot of snark around here lately [Frown]

Snark is cheap.

--j_k

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That was hurtful. [Frown]
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It's illegal. That's not gray at all.
Which apparently can't be said of Noemon's underpants.

Topical humor.

Hobbes [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
And then there's subject/verb agreement!

This moment is preserved on the internet forever >:[
I'm immortal!
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quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
And then there's subject/verb agreement!

This moment is preserved on the internet forever >:[
I'm immortal!
I have no rival, no man can be my equal...
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