quote:Originally posted by Tresopax: How about simply putting up a sympathetic definition of humanism and a website or some way of contacting your organization?
Not many people are going to change their religion because of a billboard, but there may be plenty of people out there who share your basic beliefs but don't know what to call themselves and don't know where to go to meet people who believe similarly.
This suggestion I love, actually.
"Secular humanism: something accurate and positive.
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"Secular Humanism: Belief in the power and goodness of humankind."
Works for me. Although I still like either "Secular Humanists believe in you" or "Secular Humanists believe in people." I think those are stronger marketing slogans.
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"Are we using the concept of a god to ventriloquize our morality?"
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"Do we really need some outside force to define our own morality?"
Not only do all of these sound more deliberately confrontational than they need to be, but they aren't very catchy.
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I second Tres. You're not going to win any members or much sympathy using what Flying Fish posted. You're trawling for like-minded people who just haven't formed a name for how they think or realized there are others who think like them. You want the billboard to say essentially what these people have been thinking themselves, so they recognize the thought. I'm for Strider's rewrite of the "Good without God" slogan, posed as a question, and saying "We do to" at the bottom, along with a URL or phone number.
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But they approach a question I always have wondered about. In my mind, without a god or creator or whatever, I feel like our every action means even more.
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Perhaps include that slew of positive, human photos. Babies, men on the moon, smiling faces, people helping each other out.
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quote:Originally posted by Shigosei: "Life's a song you don't get to rehearse"?
Heh.
This may not be a call out to the atheistic crowd. There are many passages in various scriptures that have that same message.
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You could probably do some interesting things with certain common prayers with substitutions in the place of the relevant religious figures or phrases-
Hail, humanity, full of grace.
Deliver us from evil, we men.
What about the life of the world, to-day?
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Interesting yes, but it still gives the slight impression you are trying to knock religion for getting it wrong.
It wouldn't ruin my day, but it'd be nice to read one where I am uplifted by the idea and that's it, rather than uplifted and then a little disappointed that there was any need to accentuate our differences.
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I really like the "not alone" slogans. Given that one of your three groups is a recovering from religion group, and like advice for robots said, you are looking for like-minded people who didn't realize you existed.
Also, don't forget this is a billboard. Keep it short!
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Yeah, I also like the "not alone" ones. I think they would be the most effective for bringing in like-minded people. It's basically an invitation to these people to check out your organization(s). The "we're nice people" ones seem more aimed at religious people and brand building, which seems like a secondary goal at this point.
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Some of the Pixiest totally made me laugh, but I think if trying to also help people think better of atheists, they may not work so well. Of course, I think living in Texas makes me a little skittish on anything with religion- too many crazies here.
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Did you hear the one about the two ad men sitting around the office? One says, "I'm having trouble coming up for a campaign slogan for this billboard we're doing for an atheist group. It needs to be uplifting, inspirational, and project love for all humanity and the meaningfulness of life, but it can't mention God."
The second guy says "That sounds almost impossible."
Then a voice from above booms out, "Well, Duuh!"
But seriously, I like all of the above from advice4robots, and I think they hit just the right tone.
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thanks for the suggestions everyone. I'm writing down a bunch. I think the trick will be trying to find something that all three groups will be happy with and which will do a decent job of representing everybody.
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quote: Sleep in Sunday morning. Join us Wednesday evening.
Sounds good to me.
This confused me, because church is Sunday afternoon and on Wednesday nights for huge swaths of the population.
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So pick a different night, word the first part differently, and the whole thing makes more sense.
Good advertising doesn't confuse people.
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I don't know, though - I don't think it is particularly effective in the first place. If someone is already waking up on Sunday morning to go to church, then "quit that and join us for no discernable reason" isn't going to work. If they aren't, then it doesn't make sense. They already sleep in on Sunday.
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quote: Sleep in Sunday morning. Join us Wednesday evening.
Sounds good to me.
This confused me, because church is Sunday afternoon and on Wednesday nights for huge swaths of the population.
Well yeah, but people still associate Sunday with going to church.
The point is that Wednesday evening is also associated with church for many, many people.
I get that. I'm saying even for those going to church on Wednesday, they would be perfectly aware that Sunday is church day traditionally and for the majority of the populace.
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I don't know, though - I don't think it is particularly effective in the first place. If someone is already waking up on Sunday morning to go to church, then "quit that and join us for no discernable reason" isn't going to work. If they aren't, then it doesn't make sense. They already sleep in on Sunday.
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Things like "Sleep in on Sundays", which have as part of their message "life without religion is better than with it" do not come across as purely positive messages, if that's important to you.
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I'm saying it isn't effective as advertising. If the goal is just to goof around, then knock yourself out.
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quote:Originally posted by katharina: I don't know, though - I don't think it is particularly effective in the first place. If someone is already waking up on Sunday morning to go to church, then "quit that and join us for no discernable reason" isn't going to work. If they aren't, then it doesn't make sense. They already sleep in on Sunday.
quote:Originally posted by katharina: So pick a different night, word the first part differently, and the whole thing makes more sense.
Good advertising doesn't confuse people.
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I don't know, though - I don't think it is particularly effective in the first place. If someone is already waking up on Sunday morning to go to church, then "quit that and join us for no discernable reason" isn't going to work. If they aren't, then it doesn't make sense. They already sleep in on Sunday.
My original line was a touch of tongue in cheek anyway, and I didn't spend a ton of time considering it. You're right--maybe there's something Strider could do with the idea, but the wording isn't quite there yet. I picked Wednesday night as the time most diametrically opposed to Sunday morning as I could think of--as secular a time as you could get, in other words. Obviously, that's not true for vast amounts of people.
Edit: The idea was that if people are already butting against getting up on Sunday to go to church--church isn't doing it for them and they have disagreements with it--check out this humanist organization. I don't think it can hold any more meaning than that.
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Katharina, I didn't suggest it and wasn't endorsing it. Just commenting on the fact that you seem to be harping on it.
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