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Yeah, of course he did. Given the pleasure he, tHT, and AoS took in baiting Lisa (who responded just as they would've wished), I really don't see why anyone would grant them the benefit of the doubt on this, if they were posting at the same times. For those who weren't, though, it's a big pile of forum drama that you can expect them to stir up because they 'miss' her periodically. Nobody who saw their interactions would believe for a second that Sa'eed, for example, actually does miss her-except as a trolling target.
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Let he that has never taken pleasure in crafting a perfectly within-the-TOS post that is nevertheless sure to cause someone's blood pressure to rise, cast the first accusations of trolling.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: So, Janitor, I replied to your email. I'm thinking it might be worth posting my reply here on Hatrack. I certainly have nothing to be embarrassed about in our correspondance. Do you?
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I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I just don't recognize a large majority of the current posters and was genuinely curious about the "old gang".
There was always a level of discourse and bickering, but it's like a ghost town now...was everyone banned or did they take their toys and leave?
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THT, many of the 'old gang' left many years ago, well before any of the events (not) being discussed in this thread.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: So, Janitor, I replied to your email. I'm thinking it might be worth posting my reply here on Hatrack. I certainly have nothing to be embarrassed about in our correspondance. Do you?
That is not a last thread. That is a last post.
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quote:Originally posted by Stephan: What was her last thread? I vanished for a while. Sounds like I missed some fun.
Ok. I am pointing this out not just for how fun it is to remind everyone about the History of Sa'eed (and banned alts Clive Candy, somalian, Contents Under Pressure, Cindy Carter, and others) and drive a bat repeatedly and satisfyingly into that dead horse, but because it relates specifically to Sa'eed making an obvious trollthread where he goes 'hrurr wat am happen 2 lisa? gosh i dinnit know she r banned!1.12//??'
This was where it went down (or at least where lisa swore and namecalled through the last of her potential clemency to the point of being officially asked to leave).
Note some strange things about this thread. Hmm that is odd. Why look at whose thread it is. I am a detective in my spare time, who works on really obvious cases like "is sa'eed trolling"
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Ah, caught up now. I have know doubt he does miss her. He probably can't get a rise out of many others.
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Mike (saxon75) added a forum to his personal website and invited people over. He's not the only one, there were 5ish smaller forums mostly populated by Hatrackers for awhile, but sake and Galactic Cactus are the only ones still active I believe. Initially, most people who participated remained at Hatrack as well, and the others were fairly small and slow.
People started spending more time at the other forums for various reasons. Membership tends to grow every time Hatrack goes down for awhile. Some people who post there still lurk here, some are somewhat active. There are various theories on why sake became more popular with many "old-timers" than Hatrack, none of them probably hold true for everyone there. There are also people who don't like sake for various reasons and used to participate but don't anymore. That's the basics. Posts: 7954 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by ElJay: sake and Galactic Cactus are the only ones still active I believe.
Technically, Tick's forum is still active. But if you ignore the gaming stuff, it's like 5 posts/week.
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Can we get a little more in-depth? In the many years I've lurked/actively participated, I've had a hard time fully grasping the community that is Hatrack and its dynamics. Without the existence of Sake, I would have assumed people got tired of the same personalities arguing over the same things and people realizing that little discussion was ever actually happening. But that doesn't explain why they have migrated to Sake...
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quote:Originally posted by Misha McBride: ...so why is Sa'eed not banned again?
Because he's tricksy. From the thread that was linked, you can tell that Lisa took things very personally and got emotional over what was said. Sa'eed didn't get emotional, probably because he was intentionally trying to get a rise out of people and didn't actually care. In other words, trolling.
I don't know his posting history, though, so I'm only basing this on what was in the one thread.
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quote:Originally posted by Jeff C.: Sa'eed didn't get emotional, probably because he was intentionally trying to get a rise out of people and didn't actually care.
Can we get a little more in-depth? In the many years I've lurked/actively participated, I've had a hard time fully grasping the community that is Hatrack and its dynamics. Without the existence of Sake, I would have assumed people got tired of the same personalities arguing over the same things and people realizing that little discussion was ever actually happening. But that doesn't explain why they have migrated to Sake...
You're right, it doesn't. For some people, it's definitely the functionality of being able to play games like D&D over there. That was its part of its original purpose.
For others, whenever somebody takes umbrage with a book or column by Mr. Card they come here and say so, they don't go over to Sake, so those who want to avoid those sorts of threads feel safer over there. People form a habit of going to Sake, or feel they've been gone from Hatrack too long to come back. Still others miss certain posters and so migrate over there so as to chat with them. I post their prolifically, but I'm still around here just as often.
I for one won't be going anywhere.
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My personal theory is that the people who are most active at sake are the people who cared most about the "community" aspect of the forums, and migrated when that became harder to maintain here. I'm not saying things are all wine & roses -- there are fights, and occasionally moderation. But it's pretty infrequent. Most of the people who are there know what they disagree with who on, and mostly don't discuss it with them.
It is a generally more vocally liberal forum, and I know many of the more conservative posters who are there feel they have to keep quiet on their views to keep the peace. Many of the people who are active there have attended at least one gathering where they met other forum members in person, and as such feel more strongly that the people they are talking to are friends (although that is by no means required or universal!)
Also, many of the people there are ones who tried to do "community moderation" here, until the size of the forum made it ineffective. It is still somewhat effective there, community standards are mostly enforced, although some people don't agree with all of the standards.
Of course, as I am one of the frequent posters and a moderator there, you must realize that mine is a somewhat idealized viewpoint. I'm not trying to evangelize, although you are of course welcome. I don't post over here as much any more because there are not as many conversations that interest me. How much of that is self-fullfilling is anyone's guess. But I like people more than I like arguments.
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As to why Sa'eed is not banned. That is between him and me. I'm not praying each night that he give me a reason to ban him, but I have spelled out what I expect from him as a poster. If he stays within the parameters set, he can continue to post here.
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I'm probably not going to be the only one to tell you this, but the parameters set should also include disallowing him from doing stuff which can be easily construed as trolling (such as when he is obviously trolling) using a if-it-walks-like-a-duck mentality. It baffles me that he gets to play the forum so easily with a benefit of the doubt he should have lost at, oh, say, his fourth consecutive troll account.Posts: 15421 | Registered: Aug 2005
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Samprimary: I'm fully aware of all those points you've mentioned. I'm completely aware you and others believe he should have been banned long ago.
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quote:Originally posted by Armoth: Thanks, That makes sense I guess.
Still love Hatrack.
It's not an either/or sort of thing.
True. But,
Hatrack -----> Sake is a common development. Sake -----> Hatrack is something I've yet to see happen.
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I frequent Hatrack, Sake River, and Galactic Cactus. Because I know y'all can't get enough of me. Posts: 6026 | Registered: Dec 2004
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quote:Originally posted by SteveRogers: I frequent Hatrack, Sake River, and Galactic Cactus. Because I know y'all can't get enough of me.
Ditto.
BB, that misses the point. It's not like starting to post on sake means stopping to post on Hatrack. (It can, but it certainly isn't a requirement.)
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Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
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If I could've remembered my password or the e-mail address I used when I registered at Sake years ago, I'd have the same screen name at all three forums. But, alas.
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It appears my screen name of choice was registered with a now dormant e-mail address which no longer exists due to a lack of use.
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Someday I may leap from lurking SR into posting there, but I don't think I'll stop posting here if I do.
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