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I really miss some of the people who now post over at sake, but not enough to ever return there. Most of the people I miss I still stay in contact with IRL, so it all works out.
I for one didn't find sakeriver to be very welcoming, and at the time there was still significant cross posting, so I didn't miss it when I stopped going there.
In all fairness, I doubt I am missed much either.
I do think that SR has grown a ton because of people getting fed up over here....either with the trolls feeding, or the articles from Mr. Card that some of them have taken issue with (sometimes with good reason), but it was different from the get go as well. It's more than just Hatrack overflow, although that is part of it.
It's not for everyone, but just because I didn't like it, or feel welcome after a time, doesn't mean it is a bad place. It's just....different that here, and I like it here. Posts: 15082 | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
No it's not.
I fluctuate in my participate in both HR and SR. There have been multiple times where I've stopped/decreased my SR participation while simultaneously renewing/increasing my HR participation.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
No it's not.
I fluctuate in my participate in both HR and SR. There have been multiple times where I've stopped/decreased my SR participation while simultaneously renewing/increasing my HR participation.
You're misunderstanding me, I already said I'm talking purely about those who post in one or the other, not those who balance their time between both.
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mph, I don't think that's BB's point. He's not making a comment on the likelihood that someone will post at both places. What he's saying is that while many SR posters come over from Hatrack, SR posters who come to SR independent of Hatrack almost never end up becoming Hatrack posters, if and when they leave SR. At least that's how I read him.
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BB's point, though, is kinda unfair, because there have been a vanishingly small number of people who found sake first without coming there from HR. Most of those found it through personal relationships with people who are active on sake, like Kristy. The few that have found it through google searches generally have posted once or twice and then gone away.
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You should totally continue haranguing BB, AoS. It doesn't at all seriously undermine your more serious whining about how unfair he is, and how unjust his moderation is, when his biggest and most frequent detractor pokes at him like a peeved child.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'm not going to enumerate here exactly why Lisa was banned, nor do I intend to compile a comprehensive list of people banned in the past.
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Eljay: I love Sake, LOVE it. I started posting there specifically because people I cared about from here were there. But I feel sad when people leave here and settle there. I want them to be happy, but we're still deprived of their contributions over here if they stop visiting here. Sake frequently has people mentioning how they never come here anymore because Hatrack is just too inhospitable. It grates me a little bit, because yes I'm the moderator. ----------
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quote:Originally posted by ElJay: BB's point, though, is kinda unfair...
Not the first time.
I'm sure you were just waiting with bated breath for the moment you could post that, or some variation of it. You really don't need to poke and prod me. It's unfortunate you feel it necessary.
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Actually, both spellings are considered acceptable.
However, the form used (baited) was probably closer to your actual meaning, in that you had an ulterior motive to "persecute, tease, or harass somebody..."
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Eljay: I love Sake, LOVE it.
I never said you didn't. And I know it must suck when people talk bad about hatrack. You'll note that I didn't say I don't post here as much anymore because I find it inhospitable -- I said there are not as many conversations that interest me, which is the truth. I still come by and check fairly frequently.
But your statement that people don't come here from sake is still pretty silly. I just sorted the sake memberlist by posts and reviewed everyone with 1000 posts or more. (95 members) There are 2 that weren't Hatrack members first, one of whom did in fact make an account here an post for awhile. (The Genuine.)So when almost everyone there started here, who exactly is supposed to become a member here after starting there?
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Well, isn't that kind of the point? Your numbers demonstrate that nobody moves from Sakeriver to Hatrack. You may have identified a cause, namely that the population of Sakeriver is basically ex-Hatrackers, but this doesn't contradict the actual statement.
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I'm not trying to contradict his statement. I'm saying that this:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: Rivka: Right, but what I'm saying is that out of people who leave a place to migrate to another (ignoring those who just start visiting both) nobody leaves Sake for Hatrack. It's a one way street.
emphasis added, is basically an impossible complaint. I read his point as being that Hatrack feeds sake but sake doesn't feed Hatrack. But how could it?
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I was hedging before talking about aspects of Sake that bug me. I know you weren't questioning my enjoyment of the place.
I don't expect Sake to feed Hatrack, I understand that the dynamics of the place don't lend it to feeding any community. I'm merely noting that there are not refugees from Sake over here. So when people are encouraged to flock to Sake, especially in the vein of "All these people you miss are there, come one, come all!" (not that anybody used those precise words) there is a chance those people will decide they'd rather remain in Sake than try to contribute to the community here. People have a right to do that, there's nothing wrong or even unethical about it, but it does bother me because I want this place to flourish.
People being seduced away by Sake (If you'll pardon the verb) isn't contributing to the health of Hatrack. If nothing else, this place needs more people.*
*Watch when the EG movie comes out we'll probably have a huge influx, and I'll gripe about how busy I am.
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assuming the standard brouhaha over the refugee forum phenomenon, then the sailed ship contains in large part a group of people who define themselves triumphantly as refugees. Like as in instead of saying "I am sad that hatrack isn't a place I feel welcome at/can post in" it's more "Boy I am SO GLAD I don't post there anymore, hi five expat buddies"
regarding the latter: little ultimately lost
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I see. I considered what I was doing answering a question, not encouraging a migration. Because sake has been critisied before for being exclusive, unwelcoming, and kept a secret from people at Hatrack we don't want to join. I don't think any of those are the case, but leaving the question unanswered would have been pretty strong evidence that they are.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: People being seduced away by Sake (If you'll pardon the verb) isn't contributing to the health of Hatrack.
While true, it's a ship that has sailed. It also blames a cause for an effect, IMO.
That ship can certainly come back. I'm not trying to *blame* anybody. Merely note that when people are urged away from here for Sake, they may not come back.
It hurts that some don't come back, that is all I'm trying to say. Nothing else.
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quote:Originally posted by Dobbie: I know a dolphin who's an evangelical preacher. He bought a mobile home and converted it to a mobile church which he drives around spreading the word.
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Like as in instead of saying "I am sad that hatrack isn't a place I feel welcome at/can post in" it's more "Boy I am SO GLAD I don't post there anymore, hi five expat buddies"
We get it. You are a troll. Please stop being an incredibly bad and boring troll. Do something interesting. Anything.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Like as in instead of saying "I am sad that hatrack isn't a place I feel welcome at/can post in" it's more "Boy I am SO GLAD I don't post there anymore, hi five expat buddies"
To clarify, this isn't an argument for or against ships unsailing back to port, or whatever. it's noting that the phenomenon of forum refugeeing involves a group of vocal expats that like to define themselves very clearly as being very righteously happy they are not part of Old Bad Forum and that ON THE WHOLE these people TEND to be people you don't want back anyway, whether they come back or not.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I'm merely noting that there are not refugees from Sake over here.
Kwea identified himself as such on this very thread.
I thought he indicated he tried going over there and didn't like it, not that he started over at Sake and came over here.
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Kate Boots started out at Hatrack, was much, much more active at sake than Hatrack for a long time, and has officially quit sake and now posts only* at Hatrack.
*among the inter-related group of forums sometimes referred to as the Hatrackosphere.
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I just poked my nose around over there, it is kinda strange that they have a topic named Hatrack Gossip Thread, vol. 5 with 189 pages in. I recognized some posters who I haven't seen in a while, and a couple who are still active on both sides of the fence but I still find it odd. Are people lurking here so they converse over there? I've never felt the urge to double up my discussion board attention span despite hearing about SR intermittently throughout my time here, but if I were truly fed up with certain posters or the way things were run here I wouldn't want to dwell on it in my new shiny discussion.
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Looks like some of the people I appreciate as posters on here have mentioned me in the Gossip Thread over there. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. . .
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quote:Originally posted by dkw: Well if that's your criteria you really are looking for the impossible.
Why does this keep getting put into terms like that? I'm not seeking anything. I'm merely noting that there people who originally posted at Hatrack, who migrated over there, and are not coming back. There are not people (that I have seen) where the reverse is true. So encouraging people to head over to Sake while fine, I myself went there one day and ended up sticking around, is still going to lead to people leaving here, never to return. That last thing happening makes me sad.
I'm not asking people to stop mentioning Sake, I'm not asking that somebody haul those people back here, I'm not even saying Sake should refrain from recruiting here.
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