quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Kurtzman and Orci have been left behind on Star Trek, so if Star Wars isn't fixed, it won't be for the reasons that Star Trek was ruined.
I'm thankful for that much.
I'm fairly confident he'll make a decent Star Wars movie. He already proved he can when he made those two "Star Trek" films, which were basically Star Wars movies anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by Szymon: I think it's not the case. The actor (John Boyega) looks like he has a bigger part in the movie. My guess is he is just disguising as an imperial soldier.
Boyega is a main character in the movie. And quite assuredly by the time of A New Hope most stormtroopers aren't clones. And this is many decades afterwards.
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The Kaminoans engaged in a bit of ultimately ineffectual rebellion, the program experienced problems related to the fallout of that, it became rapidly too expensive to justify its continued existence, and alternative cloning programs from the Arkanians failed to pan out. So, over time, the Stormtroopers just became good old fashioned trained recruits.
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thought about posting that video in the other thread. decided not to because its not really funny
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Yeah, this sort of joke is worn out to me, and I was never that fond of it in the first place. Part of me honestly even kind of feels sorry for Lucas. Its not that funny!
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I would like to have seen the Death Star explode in that one. I think that's not too much to ask.
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quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: Yeah, this sort of joke is worn out to me, and I was never that fond of it in the first place. Part of me honestly even kind of feels sorry for Lucas. Its not that funny!
The man sold his studio for $4 Billion in cash and stock on the back of 20 years of cynical, soulless profiteering on a beloved brand, that he somehow still managed not to ruin completely. Feel sorry for him if you want.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: There's probably a simple answer for this, but why is there a black man in a Stormtrooper uniform?
Aren't they all supposed to be clones of Jengo Fett?
No. The clones had an accelerated aging rate. After the conclusion of the clone wars and the end of the Jedi and the Republic, the remaining Kaminoan clones began to age out of service, as well as becoming increasingly unreliable after the biochips in them were used to trigger Order 66 — while they performed as 'programmed,' this disturbed them greatly on a psychological level and they began to wash out of service even before they were phased out due to physical infirmity. That plus a little bit of convenient problems on Kamino ensured that the stormtrooper corps would first become a lot of clones not based on Jango, and then eventually was mostly just recruits.
By the time of A New Hope, most stormtroopers were just regular enlists and possibly all of the Fett clones were dead or retired.
And now that it's 30 years in the future, probably none or virtually none of the troopers are clones.
It's not like anyone stunned a stormtrooper and stole his armor.
Oh, wait...I think two white guys did it once.
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Stormtrooper armor has been stolen on many multiple occasions. As had trooper armor, clone armor, and Jedi armor.
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Did the clones have one head General the way Grievous was for the Droids? Were all the Jedis considered Generals?
How is there a command structure within the clones if they're all essentially the same person? How do choose who is an officer over who? Is it based on age? Do officers go through a different training program than common foot soldiers?
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quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: Yeah, this sort of joke is worn out to me, and I was never that fond of it in the first place. Part of me honestly even kind of feels sorry for Lucas. Its not that funny!
The man sold his studio for $4 Billion in cash and stock on the back of 20 years of cynical, soulless profiteering on a beloved brand, that he somehow still managed not to ruin completely. Feel sorry for him if you want.
I don't know. The fact that the internet still has a hard on for him is awkward to me.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Did the clones have one head General the way Grievous was for the Droids? Were all the Jedis considered Generals?
How is there a command structure within the clones if they're all essentially the same person? How do choose who is an officer over who? Is it based on age? Do officers go through a different training program than common foot soldiers?
They're essentially the same person in the same way that identical twins are essentially the same person. Genetically identical. And though they all had a very regimented upbringing, I imagine there were enough differences in environment for differences between them to develop.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Did the clones have one head General the way Grievous was for the Droids? Were all the Jedis considered Generals?
How is there a command structure within the clones if they're all essentially the same person? How do choose who is an officer over who? Is it based on age? Do officers go through a different training program than common foot soldiers?
The clone army was subservient to the Jedi and the Supreme Chancellor. Only certain Jedi held the ranks of General and High General.
The command structure for the clones is a byproduct of alternate templates and genetically variant results among the clone population. A natural variation of aptitude (and unnatural variant-based variation) existed among the clones and aptitude testing could root out the subset of the clone stock that was most suited to leadership roles. Most placement was based off of intended templates, though.
Some clones washed out due to physical infirmity or other disqualifying handicap. They were put in roles like janitorial duties, or just 'disappeared.'
Any clones slated for and approved for leadership roles were put in training programs specific to that.
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When Obi-Wan found out about the clone army's existence, and he concluded that the Jedi that allegedly requested its creation died before that could've happened, what was the Jedis' theory on how the army came to be? Or were they just glad it was there and didn't want to question for whom or why it was created?
What would the Republic have done if they didn't conveniently stumble across this clone army right before the droids attacked?
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I had assumed that the convenient discovery of the droid army was all part of the Emperor's plans.
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Haha, really? That could be good. By booted, do you mean he isn't directing? There's no way he was removed from the project entirely. I doubt his tendrils will retract from his writing and production roles so the movie will still probably suck, but now at least it won't for sure absolutely suck.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: When Obi-Wan found out about the clone army's existence, and he concluded that the Jedi that allegedly requested its creation died before that could've happened, what was the Jedis' theory on how the army came to be? Or were they just glad it was there and didn't want to question for whom or why it was created?
What would the Republic have done if they didn't conveniently stumble across this clone army right before the droids attacked?
Before I get to answering the insipid canon extrapolations behind this and the whole sifo-diyas crap, you just hit upon one of the most 'huh, what?' weirdo oddities of the entire lucas-led primary canon, behind midichlorians and the podrace bet by qui-gon jinn. it makes as little sense as it does because it is a story that literally changed as lucas went on.
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According to the article I read, his script was rejected and so has been removed as writer and director. He is still listed as a producer but that doesn't mean he will actually have anything more to do with the film. They are searching for a new director and script. I'll try to find a link.
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Sifo-Dyas was originally "Sido-Dyas" - get it? Get it?? GET IT??? SidoDyas ... Sidious
Yes, sifo dyas was originally sido-dyas, a paper thin "nilbog" level clue that it was Darth Sidious who commissioned the clone army.
In much later drafts, the name was changed in favor of a typo in the earlier drafts, and the connection to sidious was dropped. Sifo became a human Jedi who had secretly commissioned the creation of the army. Then later some more gobbledygook was hashed out to keep this a plot of the emperor after all, so now sifo was tricked! By impenetrable machinations! Of a level slightly less interesting than ep 1s trade disputes. And then his blood was used to make general grievous!
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so after SidiOuys had to be rewritten to be an actual person after Lucas kind of crudely ditched the idea that Sidious secretly commissioned the clone army, then this new jedi named sifo dyas had his story rewritten again to make sure that the clone army's existence was still ultimately the sinister machination of the sith, even if it was a jedi who commissioned the clone army's creation, an Epic Story was written about how sifo dyas was compelled to do so by palpatine's at-the-time master, then killed by former friend dooku, then dooku erased all info about the cloning planet from the jedi archives, which somehow caused pretty much everyone but a four armed diner hambeast to forget the whole damn planet existed or whatever even though it was specifically only purged from the jedi's archives, not any other archives on the planet (right?) (or something?) whatever it was sufficient to make the planet disappear shut up.
dooku kept sifo-dyas'ses body in cryo storage. then when <INSERT GENERAL GRIEVOUS'S CONVOLUTED BACKSTORY> he recovered sifo-dyas's blood from the frozen body and injected it into Grievous in order to sustain him and prepare him for transformation into a cyborg with many robotic limbs. infused with jedi-blood, grievous became blah blah blah lightsaber lawnmower emphysema fight man
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I don't know about you but that looks pretty freaking amazing. It will probably suck but man it looks cool.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: For someone that knows everything about Star Wars you don't seem to like Star Wars
Star wars is a body of work with dizzying pinnacles and absolutely incomparably iconic legacy, including a number of very worthwhile games, books, or even comics. It's pretty awesome! But it is a long-running franchise with some dark years we only recently seem to have been leaving. If you ask me questions pertaining to the series' usually bad and extensively bloated and fanwanky Extended Universe, or questions pertaining to the three terrible prequel movies, made during a period of time in which Lucas had isolated himself from challenges or controls against what would turn out to be significant shortcomings in writing and direction capacity, I will probably be making fun of those bad parts, because they are bad. And I doubt anyone disagrees with me!
These dark periods have all but completely become irrelevant this year! George Lucas sold the franchise to Disney, who will pair its creative potential up with not terrible directors, and Lucas will never direct or control the release of another movie again. Additionally, the Extended Universe has, with very few exceptions, been completely purged from the official canon, allowing the series to start over fresh without being saddled down by inbred, adolescent, stifling continuity porn.
So I don't care too much about them anymore! I like Star Wars as a franchise overall, and see nothing but upward potential after its sale away from Lucas opened up new opportunities for a series rebirth. But I'm not the one asking the questions; I'm taking all questions asked! If most of those questions pertain to the EU or the prequel trilogy, you'll probably continue to see me making light of poor writing or continuity, or things otherwise too ridiculous even for a series birthed of a space opera filmed in the 1970's.
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But without the EU and the prequels, isn't all that's left the original trilogy? I thought that most of your answers were coming from your knowledge of the EU. Where else could you get all of this info that wasn't included in the original trilogy?
Edit: it could be I'm not understanding what falls under EU. I thought it was anything that wasn't one of the 6 movies or Clone Wars, i.e. novels, comics, etc.
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I wondered the same thing. How many of these answers are coming from the now-irrelevant Expanded Universe?
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quote:Originally posted by umberhulk: Yeah, this sort of joke is worn out to me, and I was never that fond of it in the first place. Part of me honestly even kind of feels sorry for Lucas. Its not that funny!
The man sold his studio for $4 Billion in cash and stock on the back of 20 years of cynical, soulless profiteering on a beloved brand, that he somehow still managed not to ruin completely. Feel sorry for him if you want.
Sure, two decades of crap are squarely on his shoulders, but not the money, he gave that away to charity. And what softens my heart is that he -did- hand off the mantle, because I never expected him to do so. I was waiting for him to die and for it to be too late for any of the original actors to participate due to extreme age/death. So I mean, sure, Lucas screwed the pooch a whole lot, but he also did us a few solids too.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: But without the EU and the prequels, isn't all that's left the original trilogy? I thought that most of your answers were coming from your knowledge of the EU. Where else could you get all of this info that wasn't included in the original trilogy?
Edit: it could be I'm not understanding what falls under EU. I thought it was anything that wasn't one of the 6 movies or Clone Wars, i.e. novels, comics, etc.
Not all of the EU is bad. Plenty of it I can refer to without any scorn or disapproval because it's actually a-ok, as far as science fantasy goes. Some of it is actually straight up good. A good chunk of it will be satisfactorily non-contradictory to the new canon (as a specific example: Old Republic era canon will probably mostly survive, by the grace of Bioware).
If it's EU I dislike, I will bring it up for the purpose of mocking it. If it's EU I like, I will establish it as fact.
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I can't even sit through the holiday special, no idea how you could handle being forced to be a part of it.
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QUESTION.: What is the worst part of the star wars Extended Universe that is not the guy with the lightsaber suit.
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The Sun Crusher was a nearly indestructible craft that was no larger than a starfighter, but was capable of unleashing destruction on a magnitude that dwarfed even the Death Star's capabilities. Unlike the Death Star, which destroyed individual planets, the Sun Crusher could destroy an entire star system by causing its target star to turn into a supernova. The key to its near invincibility was layered Quantum-crystalline armor, a material so strong that it could perfectly repel even turbolaser shots. Han Solo once was able to ram the Sun Crusher straight through the bridge of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer Hydra without taking any damage, and during the skirmish in the Maw, it even survived a glancing blow from the Death Star Prototype's Superlaser, which likely would have destroyed any other ship it touched. The Sun Crusher took some engine damage from the blast, as this was its only weakness, but was able to continue to fight. The Sun Crusher was also equipped with a hyperdrive and was designed to slip unnoticed into a system, fire its weaponry, and then escape before its presence was detected.
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Interesting. By changing one letter you get the answer to the question: "What is the worst part of the Star Trek universe?"
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Wesley owns bones, don't be hating, and needs to come back for the captain worf series as worfs scarred psycho security officer , played by a chain smoking wil wheaton.
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The Sun Crusher was a nearly indestructible craft that was no larger than a starfighter, but was capable of unleashing destruction on a magnitude that dwarfed even the Death Star's capabilities. Unlike the Death Star, which destroyed individual planets, the Sun Crusher could destroy an entire star system by causing its target star to turn into a supernova. The key to its near invincibility was layered Quantum-crystalline armor, a material so strong that it could perfectly repel even turbolaser shots. Han Solo once was able to ram the Sun Crusher straight through the bridge of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer Hydra without taking any damage, and during the skirmish in the Maw, it even survived a glancing blow from the Death Star Prototype's Superlaser, which likely would have destroyed any other ship it touched. The Sun Crusher took some engine damage from the blast, as this was its only weakness, but was able to continue to fight. The Sun Crusher was also equipped with a hyperdrive and was designed to slip unnoticed into a system, fire its weaponry, and then escape before its presence was detected.
What about The Crystal Star*? Or Jedi Prince Ken?
*I was 10 when I read the Crystal Star. I loved it.
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