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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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I think that since the Enders Game Movie is not going anywhere real fast that we as Hatrackers, we should do some fund rising and help out with the development of the book to movie.
This thought came to me as I lay in my bed last night thinking of random things as I tried to clear my mind to sleep. Then it hit me, we need to help out Mr. Card some how, and since movies cost money we should donate money to help in its production.

What say you all?

I am defiantly in

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as soon as actors for big budget movies, like I would assume this one would be, make LESS money than I do would I ever let the thought of donating to create a movie enter my mind.

But on the other hand...I'd be more than happy to offer my below acceptable, practically embarrassing, acting abilities. I'd require nothing more than payment for the cost of flying out...and room and board... and compensation for time missed at work...maybe an entourage....hmmmm


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Forget actors, they should go CGI. The battle room scenes would be so much better that way.
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I'm sure the terminal delay has to do with studio and business politics. Financing, rights, etc. etc. What you're talking about wouldn't make a dent, I hate to say it. Even if a good movie could be made for less than a million dollars (which the answer to this is no, just promoting the movie costs more than this) there's still the squabbling that's involved in any studio production.

The only way around that is to have your own studio or make it an independent film which would be a helluvalot of work and probably turn out to be crap. Plus Card has given no idication (that I can see) that he wants to break his back trying to make a movie in his own backyard.


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Devnal
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"Forget actors, they should go CGI. The battle room scenes would be so much better that way. "

ooooh, in that case, let me graciously offer my adobe flash capabilities. Though I am afraid all the characters would be stick men.. and take place in a 2 dimensional world...without color...and with minimal movement.


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Devnal, you should do a trailer for what you envision the Ender's Game movie would look like. That would be cool.
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oh...my....god....

you're right, that WOULD be cool... I havent used Flash in a while, maybe I will just for funsies


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Devnal
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Rommel, we're back on for the donation thing, just them to me and I'll put something together
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What we really need is someone like Peter Jackson to say "let's turn an awesome book into the best movie of all time." Then he can go sell the idea to movie producers and get millions of dollars of seed money to work with.
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The problem with Peter Jackson doing it is that by "best movie of all time" that's really just code for "longest movie of all time".
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Robert Nowall
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Who owns the film rights?
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I agree with Robert's question. Too many movies have ripped good stories to shreds. Some don't even resemble the book except for the names of the main characters.

Also, my husband is still unemployed, and we're watching our funds dwindle slowly away. Contributions welcome .


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Robert Nowall
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They say that after one bad experience with a Hollywood adaptation of a short story, J. D. Salinger refused to sell movie rights to The Catcher in the Rye or anything else he'd written.

Transfering any book to the screen involves changes in the subject matter. Ender's Game would be no exception.

(Has anything of Card's ever been filmed? I thought maybe some of his short stories might've been adapted for Twilight Zone or some other TV anthology. But I don't remember off hand. (Maybe there's a link right 'round here that'd tell me...))


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Kaz
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You're always gambling when it comes to book adaptations. Most of the time, I am not happy with the outcome. Just look at Sam Raimi's Legend of the Seeker. Turned The Sword of Truth into friggin' Xena.
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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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Quote… Rommel, we're back on for the donation thing, just them to me and I'll put something together…..End Quote

What?

Quote….. Devnal, you should do a trailer for what you envision the Ender's Game movie would look like. That would be cool…..End Quote

Google it there a few on Youtube.

I know this is my idea but I don’t know how to manage anything out side the army except my own money.

With that said

Ok then who’s going to Manage the money, who is going to manage the trailer, who is going to find who has the rights and last is Mr. Card watching this trend?

And don’t be embarrassed to say you are. I know you are there. I know all things

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Natej11
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But looking at it from the other direction, when a movie follows the book too closely it can suck. Look at "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone". I don't think I could ever bring myself to watch it all the way through, it's just the book but without the interesting details.

In the later movies, however, when J.K. Rowling finally released her stranglehold and let the directors actually show some vision, the movies improved drastically.

P.S. I don't mean for this to derail the thread, but am I the only one who called foul when Rowling let out the press release that Dumbledore was gay just before her new book came out? I mildly disliked her as a person before that. Afterwards...


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quote:
Ok then who’s going to Manage the money, who is going to manage the trailer, who is going to find who has the rights

And then who will eat the movie? (Sorry had a little red hen flashback.)

It would have to be a huge sum of money to wiggle through studio bureaucracy. If you get your hands on some I'll pass a few bucks along for some producer credit. Realistically I think what we could do is a fan campaign, like the one that got Serenity off the ground. The company who has the option at the moment is called Odd Lot Entertainment, and OSC wrote a script for them in February (not to get off topic but I hate that month.)


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quote:
Google it there a few on Youtube.

I saw those. Someone here could do better. Most consisted of bad acting in distracting settings, lame readings, or irrelevant material from Star Wars or another pop culture story. Hmm... Devnal, please do not include any of the above in your piece.

*Edited for should-be-in-bed-instead-of-typing syndrome, sometimes known as "misspelling".

[This message has been edited by aspirit (edited July 16, 2009).]


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I think Marvel would do a good job, but alas they are concentrating on superheroes and don't own film rights. They do own comic book rights.
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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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Quote……And then who will eat the movie?....end quote


I will literally eat everything I have come across, humans, babies, snake, bat, camel, washer machines, hippies, mushrooms, bear, cat, dolphin, whale, glass, French people, Charli in the bushes, etc.

Ok so we need to do a few “JOBS” and make a few connections it could be Hatrack’s 13 or Cards 13 or some thing like that.

Or I could just run packages for the Mexican Cartels across the border. Lol. (no S#!@ I was actually offered a job to fly packages across the border for the Cartels and I turned it down.)

But any way we can do this but we need to figure out how to get the most important Ingredient. MOOLA, DOUGH, GREEN BACKS, CASH, PAPPER, etc. then we can worry about the other things except for you Devnal you work on the trailers and take who ever else knows how to make digital effects.

Got to run to work real quick

RFW2nd


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I think the hippies will eat the mushrooms before you get to them, especially if they see a werewolf coming at them.

Well if you sell a novel and it makes it bestseller, then you'll have the cash. Or if we could get JK Rowling to bankroll us we'd be running smooth.


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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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Well if the hippies eat the Mushrooms and I then eat them it is like a double trip, see Werewolves one we eat human or rather a nother living thing alive become “Meat or Blood drunk/ high.” It is similar to smoking pot. Its very relaxing.

So how do we get JK Rowling’s money?

And

Devnal how’s the trailer coming?

RFW2nd


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ummm, non existent... lack of funding has resulted in me having to work a 9 to 5 to pay bills, unduely pushing the ender project to the back burner....
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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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Damn

I blame the economy and Chinese people.

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As is said, there are two rules to producing. One: "Never put your own money in the show," and Two: "NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN THE SHOW!"
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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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So Devnal should use movie money? But that’s what we don’t have and I am trying to form is a fund to help out the money.

RFW2nd


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quote:
As is said, there are two rules to producing. One: "Never put your own money in the show," and Two: "NEVER PUT YOUR OWN MONEY IN THE SHOW!"

Unless you're executive producing,

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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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How about we put together a committee to produce the movie our selves. With Mr. Cards permission of coarse.

RFW2nd


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Mr. Card has had several offers to have Ender's Game produced into a movie, and he has written several scripts. Each time he has eventually turned the offer down due to disagreements mainly over story changes and ages of characters.

Since another production company currently owns the rights, any attempt by us, no matter how novice, could be considered a property infringement and subject us to a lawsuit.


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At least he isn't a sell out, you've got to give him credit for that. Sometimes no movie is better than a bad movie. Sure he'd pocket some extra cash if Ender's Game were rushed to the theaters, but he'd be doing his work a disservice in the process. Now, I'm not sure how good books like Eragon or Twilight are, but I'm betting they're better than the garbage low-budget cash-grab films that came out under the same titles.

I think Card is holding out in order to protect the quality and integrity of his work, I like to imagine I'd do the same thing, if people ever wanted to make a movie about my work.


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This is just a personal opinion, but the Eragon movie is exactly as good as the book, and take that as you will.

As for Card not selling out, I'm perfectly content with him waiting for the real deal before letting his movie get made. Lord of the Rings was done proper because Peter Jackson wanted to capture the spirit of the books, and that's exactly what I hope to see with Ender's Game as well.


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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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Ok which one of you is Mr. Card? It seems that he is posting incognito to avoid saying we are right.

Why not just use the book as the script and call it good. It makes since to me.
But then again I am not paid to think.

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were getting paid?
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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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Yea we get paid. We get paid in hatracks. In the international market its completely worthless. Like Monopoly money. At least that is what my voices are telling me.

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Y'know, there was a plan afoot to tax online currency in those "online lives" games some people like to live. Haven't we gotten enough of that in the real world?
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Rommel Fenrir Wolf II
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KDW I think we should have some type of hatrack money based off how many posts you have. then we could rely get the trailer going.

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Yeah right.
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For those of you who follow these things, and appropriate here as anywhere...word on the street is that the Tolkien heirs have filed suit to stop production of the movie version of "The Hobbit."

You wouldn't want something like that happening to "Ender's Game," would you, now?


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Did they say why?
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You know what I think would be cool? Parallel movies. Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. Of ocurse, you'd want to avoid doing the same scenes as much as possible, but for when you have to you'd need to shoot it anew and do a completely different take on it.

But I think that sort of thing would be revolutionary, fresh, unique, and rather interesting. If done well.

That said, Ender's Game and Shadow are not terribly interesting (visually) since a lot of it is in the characters' heads. So it would take a great deal of skill to make the transition to screen work.


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Yeah, the heirs said they're owed some two-hundred-million-plus from the "Lord of the Rings" movies, and it's breach of contract and therefore the producers no longer control the rights.

Here's a link:

http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6673069.html?desc=topstory


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Not unless the person who is writing the script is a schizophrenic (such as I) then it should be easy for them to put it into a content for non-schizophrenics. At least in theory.

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They said if they filmed "The Lord of the Rings" straight, you'd have an hour of the characters sitting around at the Council of Elrond just chewing the fat. Naturally changes would be made for any "Ender" movie...mostly a matter of doing on camera rather than talking about on camera...
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I hope they find some way to translate the emails at the beginning of each chapter onto the big screen. I really enjoyed those, and they tell you a lot of what's going on without having to put it into the story.
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The last script submitted by OSC, that I am aware of, combined the stories of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow into one story.
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I would think they'd do the emails as voice-overs while showing things (like Peter doing something to Ender for the first one, perhaps, and the kids practicing their battle skills for later ones, and so on).
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KDW I like it that is a wonderful idea. Devnal you should use that in the trailer you are working on.

RFW2nd.


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I have to admit...I read the first Ender novelette when it came out in Analog, all those years ago...didn't care much for it...and went on to read (and enjoy) a lot of Card's work, but not any further Ender material.

I suppose y'all aren't interested in an Alvin Maker movie...


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Not really.
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You're shooting yourself in the foot if you miss out on his Enderverse. It's some of his best work.

Although I did love the Alvin Maker books. Balzac was awesome.


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