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The regular stuff is $3.69 here in the desert. But, who's keeping track. I've been riding the bycicle to work for 23 years now. If pressed, I would have to admit that it takes be about a minute and a half to get to work on the bike. It's longer to get to Safeway close to seven minutes. A gallon of milk, 18 eggs, and several regular things fit just fine in a small Coleman day pack. Church takes close to 15 minutes. Now if I could just do something about the 1,200 mile weekends when I go home to visit my beautiful bride. (Edit to correct a stutter)
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Man, it Oregon it's been around $3.39 for regular unleaded for about a month. It's been costing me $50 per tank, which, thanks to my commute, means about $50/week for gas. GAH!
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quote:Originally posted by advice for robots: We need to get a bigger car to hold the family. We want to get a hybrid. But the only one I can find that could seat 7 is the Toyota Highlander. Apparently, Toyota is bringing the Sienna hybrid to the States in 08, but that's not for certain. I wonder if it's worth the savings on gas for the premium pricetag a Sienna hybrid would have.
They said the same thing about 2007. Don't hold your breath. Also, the first model year of a hybrid often has problems. I will probably be buying a Sienna soon -- not a hybrid.
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Hovering at 3.09 a gallon here. Sadly, my wife's job has changed and has her commuting an hour and a half each way daily. While the job is excellent and the benefits are good, she's not getting mileage. It's costing us an arm and a leg right now (not to mention the time spent on travel). She's already looking to change jobs away from a really great company just because of this one factor.
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2005 $2.37 April 04 $2.49 August 09 $2.56 August 14 $2.76 August 15 $2.66 August 21 $2.59 August 23 $2.62 August 27 $2.66 August 28 $2.79 August 29 $2.89 August 30 $3.29 September 01 $2.39 October 23 $2.19 December 28
2006 $2.39 January 05 $2.19 March 19 $2.49 March 25 $2.69 April 10 $2.79 April 11 $2.89 April 19 $2.99 July 24 $3.09 July 25 $2.99 July 27
2007 $2.14 January 7 $2.85 April 17 $3.45 May 21 $3.59 May 22
2008 $2.89 March 9 $2.99 March 10 $3.19 March 11 $3.39 March 12
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I filled up at 3.15 yesterday, but it was a 7-Eleven (with a disclaimer that this was not Citgo gas) and it was the bottom grade.
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We've been hoving around $1/L lately, plus or minus $0.05. With the Canadian dollar more or less on par with the Greenback, that's $3.79/gal.
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I paid $3.95 yesterday. I wasn't completely empty, but some stations raised their price to $3.98 and the others are sure to follow within a day.
One of the Honolulu papers' headlines yesterday read "Maui gas hits $4"... but the higher octanes have been above $4 for a couple of months now.
quote:Originally posted by twinky: We've been hoving around $1/L lately, plus or minus $0.05. With the Canadian dollar more or less on par with the Greenback, that's $3.79/gal.
What were gas prices in Canada like a year ago? My impression is that while your gas prices have been going up as well, they haven't been doing so as quickly as ours have. Is that accurate?
How high is your gas tax, by the way?
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According to this site, the US's federal gas tax is 18.4 cpg, with the states each collecting an additional tax that varies from state to state. Ohio's tax is 26cpg, which looks to be on the high end of things. Looks like Alaska has the lowest gas tax, at 8cpg, and New York has the highest, with 31.9.
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Noemon, thanks for that. It's a nice reminder, because periodically I run into someone who insists the price of gas is mostly because of taxes. Posts: 1813 | Registered: Apr 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Noemon: According to this site, the US's federal gas tax is 18.4 cpg, with the states each collecting an additional tax that varies from state to state. Ohio's tax is 26cpg, which looks to be on the high end of things. Looks like Alaska has the lowest gas tax, at 8cpg, and New York has the highest, with 31.9.
And there are other costs. California's local taxes (state, county, and city taxes) are less than NY's, but our laws require various anti-smog additives that raise the per-gallon cost quite a bit.
Current "low" price here is about $3.59, but there are plenty of places charging $4+ for the lowest grade.
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I drive through the less-than-nice parts of town to get some $3.07/gallon. I can't imagine paying $3.50 or more for gas. As it is I find myself picking up every coin I see on the ground.
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3.39 today at my normal station. It was 3.44 yesterday, and I saw one station west of me while running errands at 3.51.
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2005 $2.37 April 04 $2.49 August 09 $2.56 August 14 $2.76 August 15 $2.66 August 21 $2.59 August 23 $2.62 August 27 $2.66 August 28 $2.79 August 29 $2.89 August 30 $3.29 September 01 $2.39 October 23 $2.19 December 28
2006 $2.39 January 05 $2.19 March 19 $2.49 March 25 $2.69 April 10 $2.79 April 11 $2.89 April 19 $2.99 July 24 $3.09 July 25 $2.99 July 27
2007 $2.14 January 7 $2.85 April 17 $3.45 May 21 $3.59 May 22
2008 $2.89 March 9 $2.99 March 10 $3.19 March 11 $3.39 March 12 $3.49 May 1st $3.59 May 6th $3.85 May 7th
There was a station nearby that was still selling for $3.59, cash only, with a line out into the road that went on for a block. I'm glad I just had some work done on by car that gave me a huge boost in fuel economy. For us here in the north, Summer is just around the corner, and the price of gas is already where they told us two months ago that it'd be during the HEIGHT of summer. $5 a gallon by the end of the year? Any takers?
Goldman Sachs is saying $200 a barrel in 24 months and $7 a gallon.
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$3.659, Northern Kansas. Rumored to be rising a bit more tomorrow.
$4 per gallon is pretty psychologically devastating for me. At that price, it's about $50 per tank, and let me tell you, there aren't many places that appeal to me enough to spend $100 (or more) to get there and back.
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What's going to suck is the rapidity in which these prices are climbing. A lot of people say "well they'll just have to take public transportation," but America is rife with sprawl, and PT just isn't available to a lot of people. I might consider riding my bike the seven miles to work that I have to go and back every day for awhile, but it'll depend. Riding seven miles at night after working for 12 hours sounds like a nightmare. Seven miles is maybe a quarter of a gallon for me, so, at four dollars a gallon a ride to and from work costs me two dollars if I use my car.
If gas really hits six or seven dollars in a couple years, and knowing America, we won't prepare for it, because that's just how we are, we don't prepare for things until the last minute, it's going to be rough while we try as fast and expensively as possible to switch over to a more sustainable transportation system. A lot of stuff is going to change soon, and I think our use of cars as we know them now is going to radically alter in the next 24 to 36 months. I'd say to look for OPEC to yank the floor out from under us and bottom out the price, but with China and India's ever increasing demand, they can deal with America having a dropoff in consumption, others will make up for it and keep the price high.
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quote: NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- With $100-a-barrel here for now, Goldman Sachs says $200 a barrel could be a reality in the not-too-distant future in the case of a "major disruption." Goldman on Friday also boosted by $10 the low end of its 2008-2012 projected range for crude to $60 a barrel -- significantly lower than current prices, to be sure, but a possible mark for oil if "normalized" trends return to the marketplace.
quote: Goldman also reiterated its view that oil prices could fall as normal market conditions return over the next four years. "The core of our 'super-spike' view is that oil prices will keep rising until demand declines globally on a multiyear basis, resulting in the return of excess capacity and a lower cost structure," Goldman's analysts said. "Given this view, once excess capacity returns, we think prices can move sharply lower."
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Honestly, I hope that the prices don't fall. It's hurting, right now, having to pay so much per gallon, but high gas prices are the only thing that's going to motivate us to move, as a culture, to more fuel efficient vehicles and develop viable alternatives to oil. If we were a species more given to looking to the future we wouldn't need the stick that is high fuel costs to drive us to the carrot, but we're just not.
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Huh, well that's what I get for reading news second hand and not the full article. Thanks for the clarification DK.
Noemon -
Completely agree. It's why I support many movements that are pushing for a higher gas tax and for a Congressionally mandated floor on the price of oil so it can never get low enough to kill renewables and fuel efficient cars.
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Wow, that is an entirely different take than what I got from NPR. Paraphrased, it was something like "Goldman Sachs predicts $200 per barrel in near future." And NPR is the only source whose summaries I generally trust.
To be fair, it was a "coming up later" segment, not the full news story. But generally they're much better at summarizing than this.
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quote: It's why I support many movements that are pushing for a higher gas tax and for a Congressionally mandated floor on the price of oil so it can never get low enough to kill renewables and fuel efficient cars.
I would bet if Republicans pushed this we would get flooded with 'women, children, and the poor hardest hit' and stories. If Democrats (or Gore) proposes it then they will be our saviours. Yes, that is kinda snarky and jaded on my part....
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My same station that I've been using all thread.... THREE EIGHTY NINE for regular. It was 2.26 on page 1 of the thread. Nearly a 75% increase in about 3 years if I'm doing my math right?
I'm more and more seriously contemplating a scooter. If only I didn't need to transport kids and parcels virtually every time I'm out.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: (04/04/05) Who the hell are the "they" who said oil was going to double in price? That's silly.
quote: It's why I support many movements that are pushing for a higher gas tax and for a Congressionally mandated floor on the price of oil so it can never get low enough to kill renewables and fuel efficient cars.
I would bet if Republicans pushed this we would get flooded with 'women, children, and the poor hardest hit' and stories. If Democrats (or Gore) proposes it then they will be our saviours. Yes, that is kinda snarky and jaded on my part....
Well, at least you recognize your snark and jadedness.
I don't know where the women & children part comes in exactly, but "the poor are hardest hit" is exactly the argument used against these proposals already, no need for republicans to be the ones suggesting it.
I think raising the gas tax right now would be pretty bad. But a price floor, or raising the tax when the price comes down a bit in the winter, would probably be alright.
quote: I think raising the gas tax right now would be pretty bad. But a price floor, or raising the tax when the price comes down a bit in the winter, would probably be alright.
My biggest issue is that the government will become very used to this huge boon of our money. The less we use gas the more they will raise the taxes anyway. If we actually use a fraction of the oil we use now you can expect heavy taxes on it, plus many more new taxes to make up for the lost income.
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quote:Originally posted by Goody Scrivener: My same station that I've been using all thread.... THREE EIGHTY NINE for regular. It was 2.26 on page 1 of the thread. Nearly a 75% increase in about 3 years if I'm doing my math right?
I'm more and more seriously contemplating a scooter. If only I didn't need to transport kids and parcels virtually every time I'm out.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: (04/04/05) Who the hell are the "they" who said oil was going to double in price? That's silly.
Eep! Don't quote me in ways that make me look ridiculous!
In my defense, the reasons I was using to make the prediction I made in that post were sound. What's driving up the price is a combination of the devaluation of the dollar and insane overspeculation of oil. Had the economy not tanked and the fed hadn't devalued the dollar via rate cuts, it never would have exploded like that, it'd be back in the 70's probably.
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quote: I think raising the gas tax right now would be pretty bad. But a price floor, or raising the tax when the price comes down a bit in the winter, would probably be alright.
My biggest issue is that the government will become very used to this huge boon of our money. The less we use gas the more they will raise the taxes anyway. If we actually use a fraction of the oil we use now you can expect heavy taxes on it, plus many more new taxes to make up for the lost income.
I wouldn't support raising the tax NOW. Back when prices were lower sure, but now we have to get used to this new reality. When it goes down in the Winter then yeah, I'd support an incremental increase. The Highway Trust Fund is seriously underfunded DK. It's why roads are in such a horrible state of disrepair around the country, and why bridges are way past their shelf life in many areas. An increase in the tax isn't just necessary to reduce demand, but to pay for the roads we use.
The tax hasn't been raised in a decade or more, I believe.
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Sorry, did not mean to make you look silly. That particular one jumped out at me when I was going back to see what my first posted price was. And back then we (not just at Hatrack but everyone else I know as well) were sure that $4 gas was pretty much an impossibility. Now consumers seem to be counting on $5 and maybe even $6 gas in the not-too-distant future.
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My initial response after seeing the map load was "Wow, there are a lot of states in the green!" Then I realized the lowest price on the key was still $3.47 Posts: 349 | Registered: Jul 2006
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Wow, I can't believe how wildly it varies on a state by state basis. Why does the West Coast cost so much? Is it all because of the states with a higher state gas tax?
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It has been predicted that this increase in price will force people to be more conservation minded.
I don't know about everyone else but I am pretty much set now on moving to a new apartment, and a huge reason why I chose the location was that I could bike to work and school from there.
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I technically could bike, but I don't. It is 11 miles on roads with no bike lanes and fairly heavy traffic.
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Re. the Map:I drove accross Mineral, Nye and White Pine Counties this weekend. The gas in all three counties was above 3.90. Mineral County, (we only have one town) was 3.96. Tonopah, in Nye County, had 3.96 on one end of town and 4.06 on the other. And, Ely, the town in White Pine County had the gas for 3.96. The map is at least 4 weeks out of date for our area. Today's Reno paper had 8 or 10 pages devoted to bicycling. Maybe the word is finally getting to the world of the F-350.
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My only issue with the "Let them eat cake" Sentiment towards gas is while I would LOVE to drive a pretty hybrid or retro fit my car to electric, I am NEVER going to have the money to do that, pay rent, pay college fees, food and insuarance and pay my gas right now. At $40-$50 a week on Gas and making close to 1200 a month, it's hard enough as it is without trying to bankrupt myself with a financing of a shiny new car that really is just a band-aid fix on the problem.
Where is my teleporter? Where are the light speed jet tubes?
We shouldn't be asking for the next car, we should be asking for the next mode of transport!
All joking aside, while I wish I could own a more fuel efficient car, I'm driving a 1987 Chevy Cavalier that I pray wont break down because while I do have an emergency fund and I am trying to create a savings, it's just not in my budget righ now to "go-green".
Though, here in oregon we have HUNDREDS of incentives to do your "one thing". For instance, took a little survey on the Portland General Electric website and I was sent about 6 of those energy friendly lightly bulbs, FOR FREE. Those things aren't cheap either. And they have many more options too.
But, perhaps something like that could be done for retro-fitting cars to be electric! I know a guy who used to turn cars electric for real cheap!
By the way, Averaging at 3.55 - 3.69 a Gallon here in the Portland Metro, mainly in gresham is where I see it.
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Hybrids right now aren't economically advisable, this is true (I admit this as a hybrid owner). However the question is if you are willing and able (and one's ability is definitely contingent on their general financial shape) to put aside financial calculus to achieve different ends. I think everyone should look into hybrids, but I wouldn't advise everyone to get one. It all depends.
~$3.60 a couple days ago here in Beantown, and I filled up the tank for ~$36.
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