quote: If you think that it's that people want what you have - homeless people;
The number of American homeless is the most wildly exaggerated number in statistics, at the most one tenth of the number claimed most often can be found, and of those 90% are misclassified since they are mentally ill.
quote: people living in poverty;
The poverty line is an arbitrary and virtually meaningless number. People below it have more opportunities for school and health care then many just above it. Hard to feel sorry for them. A Sergent in the Army with a wife and three kids used to qualify for food stamps under Clinton.
quote:people addicted to drugs, alcohol, whatever;
There are fewer problems with this in the US then in Europe, in my experiences there this was a huge issue that people just lived with, a medicated society. In Asia and the Middle East of course drugs are also more prominent.
quote:people with no medical care; people with dead end jobs; high taxes; high cost of living - just to start the list
There is ample medical care in the United States, it just is expensive, what you mean to say is people who cannot afford routine medical care, since emergency medical care is automatic regardless of ability to pay.
Dead end job? We have more jobs here then any other country in the world! I do not know what makes you think they are dead ends, quit and find another, get a degree and get promoted. We have the most mobile workforce in the world!
Or income taxes are much less then those in Europe! All that socialism cost! Same with Canada! As for the cost of living, it varies wildly from place to place but is less then Japan, and Europe in general, except Eastern Europe of course since we have a much less dense population.
quote:then you're mistaking the perception with the reality. The US is not the land of milk and honey. It's perceived - by some, not all - as the land of milk and honey, sure, but there is a huge difference between that perception and reality.
Actually it is you who have mistaken the left wing media hype for reality. Hollywood loves to make us the villain, but it is simply the truth that they lie. Bad science (Day after Tomorrow) Bad Statistics (3,000,000 Homeless) and Bad History (Alexander!) all lay out a Hollywood and media agenda to push America toward socialism like all the joyous people in Europe and the Happy Russians. It is an elitist view shared by a few who, like much of the world, spout lip service to freedom and then increase government control on every aspect of life (for the good of the people). They value freedom to agree with their beliefs. Unfortunately you are not totally at fault, the foreign media is much more saturated by and in agreement with this group then our media here, we have a massive alternative media structure to compete with them. Hence their fall from power and favor.
This is why it is such a surprise overseas that Bush won, we over here have the full set of facts to push around! They just had CNN!
We have plenty of Milk and Honey!
Oh and about Brazil! Is it not bigger then the US? You have at least as many resources as we do, traditions dating back at least a century further and a vast number of people, you are saying that we push you around?
If you do not like your government blame your own Spanish land grant traditions and the Pope for giving you to Portugal, we just keep Imperialists out, what you do to yourselves is up to you, sorry but you are a big country time to act like it!
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The men who fought and died for the freedom of this country did so because they had to. I would never dreaming of volunteering for the military because I don't have to and have no reason to - there is no threat that merits me putting my life on the line.
Instead, the military is used by our government in such a way that it increases the chances of our freedom being lost and our security being compromised. Thus, aside from just selfish reasons, I think taking part in it would be unethical right now.
The only truly American responsibility to the nation is the responsibility to be a good citizen. That means obeying the law in word and spirit and taking part in democracy. If there is something that really harms the nation today it is that people do not do this - they pay little effort to partaking in democracy. They do not inform themselves about issues and they do not work to ensure we have a wise government. This is the true American heritage, and this is what is being lost - because it is Americans themselves that dictate the future of our nation, not our military.
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quote: Or income taxes are much less then those in Europe! All that socialism cost! Same with Canada! As for the cost of living, it varies wildly from place to place but is less then Japan, and Europe in general, except Eastern Europe of course since we have a much less dense population.
That's right. In France, we have a lot of taxes but it's not the socialism. It's our willness to help the poor people. Without that, I couldn't be Engineer from one of the best school in Europ, because i was too poor to pay the price of such a school (I had a social state financial help). And with this taxes, we have a totally free health system. This two things are just an exemple but we have other things. And know I welly earn my life with a good job, I am happy to return to the society a part of she has given to me.
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quote: Actually it is you who have mistaken the left wing media hype for reality. Hollywood loves to make us the villain [Independence day, Armageddon, National treasure... I can quote many movies too ], but it is simply the truth that they lie. Bad science (Day after Tomorrow) [it concern all the world, not only USA.] Bad Statistics (3,000,000 Homeless) [this is a wrong number : it's more, because of restrictions of studies.]and Bad History (Alexander!) [Here is not your history ] all lay out a Hollywood and media agenda to push America toward socialism like all the joyous people in Europe [Yes, I am happy. And glad. And i love my country. A lot.] and the Happy Russians
Let me laugh ! What wonderful a priori you have. Just another point : The criminality rate in Western Europ or Canada, or Japan, is very very very lower than USA's criminality rate. Why ?
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quote:Yes ! Welcome to France ! All who love freedom : expression freedom, opinion freedom, life freedom !!
Except the freedom to where clothing that denotes ones religion, right?
I forgot, that's not a real freedom, is it?
quote:And one of the things that irritates me the most about Americans and their attitudes towards their "Great Nation" is their arrogance, their self-centredness, their egocentricities.
So you don't like BC calling you ignorant. He probably doesn't like being called arrogant, self-centered, and egocentric.
quote:Without that, I couldn't be Engineer from one of the best school in Europ, because i was too poor to pay the price of such a school (I had a social state financial help).
There's TONS of state and federal financial aid. It's clear that for all America's supposed self-centeredness, you don't know more about what really goes on in America than many Americans know about what goes on in France.
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That other countries have problems doesn't make the US great. Of course other countries have problems. Where's the news in that? But so does the US. You seem to both acknowledge that and dismiss it utterly in the same sentence. And whether or not certain statistics have been exaggerated - since you didn't quote any in the first place, or prove that any were exaggerated in the second - how is that relevant? Have you said anything at all that has any merit? Nah. It's all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
quote: The number of American homeless is the most wildly exaggerated number in statistics, at the most one tenth of the number claimed most often can be found, and of those 90% are misclassified since they are mentally ill.
So there are more mentally ill people in the US than there are homeless people - sounds about right to me
quote: The poverty line is an arbitrary and virtually meaningless number. People below it have more opportunities for school and health care then many just above it. Hard to feel sorry for them. A Sergent in the Army with a wife and three kids used to qualify for food stamps under Clinton.
The poverty line is always arbitrary and totally meaningless when you aren't the one who's poor - either you have really rotten army pay or you have a lot of poor people in the US
quote: quote:people addicted to drugs, alcohol, whatever;
There are fewer problems with this in the US then in Europe, in my experiences there this was a huge issue that people just lived with, a medicated society. In Asia and the Middle East of course drugs are also more prominent.
Of course, just because *you* say that you have fewer problems with drug addiction and that Europe has more (of course, those bohemian Europeans with their snooty ideas of socialism and what not have to be poor </sarcasm>), that immediately makes the fact true ... I believe you
quote: There is ample medical care in the United States, it just is expensive, what you mean to say is people who cannot afford routine medical care
Of course, what with the poverty line being arbitray and all, I'm sure that you can adjust for the expensive medical care in an arbitrary manner, right? And that ESP where you know what somebody else meant to say must come in pretty handy in treating illnesses
quote: Dead end job? We have more jobs here then any other country in the world!
Of course you do! You have so many that you lay off people and re-hire them so that you can keep on filling all those endless jobs that you've got
quote: get a degree and get promoted.
Considering that you have to hire IT workers from outside since most of your people are dropping out of school, let alone graduating, that should be what you are aiming for - good for you!
quote: We have the most mobile workforce in the world!
They are so mobile that they get a job, get laid off and have to go find another job a couple of days later
quote: Or income taxes are much less then those in Europe! All that socialism cost!
Ah, yes, as long as we keep our income tax lower than those Europeans and crummy commies, we're fine right? Isn't it always a numbers game anyway? What's with this socialism hang up anyway? I thought McCarthy was dead?
quote: except Eastern Europe of course since we have a much less dense population.
Oh I beg to differ, I've found a lot of Americans to be very dense - present company excluded of course
quote: Actually it is you who have mistaken the left wing media hype for reality. Hollywood loves to make us the villain, but it is simply the truth that they lie. Bad science (Day after Tomorrow) Bad Statistics (3,000,000 Homeless) and Bad History (Alexander!)
Oh how philosophical. America must be the greatest nation on earth after all - because you've just proven that your own movie industry is so great at bungling stuff up ... according to you that is. I haven't yet seen "Alexander" and so don't know what the bad history stuff is about - unless of course you mean that somebody besides an American conquering most of the known world is historically inaccurate
But all kidding aside, a citizen of a nation saying that his nation is the greatest does not make it so - it is when people of other nations say that a nation is the greatest nation that it actually becomes truth. Till then, it is all mere idle boasting and chest beating ...
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I am just astounded at this thread. It looks so fun and lively. I would like to add my tow cents.
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quote:a lot of Americans expect the US to get everything that it wants from the international community just because Americans are Americans.
quote:The USA used to get what it wanted because of the common mans ability and willingness to lay down their current life and serve their nations military when it needed them.
I don't mean to be personal or mean, but that has got to be one of the worst articles (even for a school paper) I have ever read.
Am I to understand that your argument is that if Americans want to get everything they want from the international community, they need to join the military?
You argument is further invalidated by
quote:I came very close to putting my money where my mouth is, but due to my lack of the mental capability to end another human life.
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quote: but I'm afraid i'd end up like the photographer in WE WERE SOLDIERS, and i'd never be able to live with myself.
There are at least four prices of war:
Getting Killed
Getting Wounded
Emotional Trauma of Seeing Comrades Killed
Emotional Trauma of Killing Someone--Particularly a Civilian
If you can not pay the price of War, then the war is not justified, or at the very least, you have no right to egg other people to join the ranks. It seems weak and selfish. As For BC.... I think America is great--Hell, I have a romantic view of America enough to think it is one of the greatest nations. I live in an affluent Mormon community and understand I do not appreciate the full spectrum of America's problems. I am happy, and that is enough for me.
quote: Actually it is you who have mistaken the left wing media hype for reality. Hollywood loves to make us the villain, but it is simply the truth that they lie. Bad science (Day after Tomorrow) Bad Statistics (3,000,000 Homeless) and Bad History (Alexander!) all lay out a Hollywood and media agenda to push America toward socialism like all the joyous people in Europe and the Happy Russians.
That just reeks of Rush Limbaugh. You can be proud of your country, but if you are using talk radio as your source of information and encouragement, and you parrot their words to talk down to anyone who is different and they *respond,* please don't use that experience as ammunition for your persecution complex.
Of course, I have ASS-U-ME-d that is what you are doing. I could be very wrong, in which case, I have shown my weakness that I think I have a skill at understanding context behind communication. I get called on it all the time.
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about the low on clothes, I would like to explain the point of view of the french government.
Before, i am born in a bad suburb near Paris. many of my friends are muslim and want such a law. Why ? Because islamic scarf is a way for integrist muslim to reduce the freedom of girls in their familly. In school, I saw a "big brother" hit his sister because she untied his scarf for sport ! What must we do ? nothing ?
Another point is since 1905 and the law of separation between state and church, school are "laïque" (without religion or just in History to explain all religions). So, this law try to respect the 1905 law and want to protect this girl.
Moreover, the application of this law is just in public school (financed by the state) : out of school, Muslim girls may freedomly tie their scarf.
Currently, majority of them respect this law without problem.
And you must understand this law is same for ALL religions
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quote: You've forgotten the most important costs: The moral costs of killing or wounding someone.
You are right, that is the most important one.
I should have been more clear. I lumped it with "Emotional Trauma of Killing Someone--Particularly a Civilian," but on hindsight, it is qualitatively different and deserves special consideration.
That was ignorant of me. Thanks for pointing it out.
quote:about the low on clothes, I would like to explain the point of view of the french government.
Before, i am born in a bad suburb near Paris. many of my friends are muslim and want such a law. Why ? Because islamic scarf is a way for integrist muslim to reduce the freedom of girls in their familly. In school, I saw a "big brother" hit his sister because she untied his scarf for sport ! What must we do ? nothing ?
Another point is since 1905 and the law of separation between state and church, school are "laïque" (without religion or just in History to explain all religions). So, this law try to respect the 1905 law and want to protect this girl.
Moreover, the application of this law is just in public school (financed by the state) : out of school, Muslim girls may freedomly tie their scarf.
Currently, majority of them respect this law without problem.
And you must understand this law is same for ALL religions
Here's my problem with that analysis. The state has decided to provide a lot of services. The state taxes the populace extensively to provide those services. That is fine - I might disagree with the exact ratios of taxes and services, but this is how France has chosen to run itself.
However, the choice to do that has made it impossible or very very costly for many people to acquire those services privately, both because of the reduced market for those services (because most people can get them free) and because the higher taxes leave a lesser percentage of income available to acquire them.
Again, this is fine, as it expresses the will of the people of France.
What is problematic is that these benefits are denied to certain people based on their unwillingness to flout their religious beliefs. The government, having created a situation where obtaining a service is difficult, are then using the fact that they are providing that service as a reason to interfere with religious practice that hurts no one.
As for the opression of girls theory, those facts are more likely to result in parents removing their children from school than in unoppressing the children.
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I have two reasons to not sign up. One, I am a coward.
More importantly, I will never serve a country that wants to put me in jail for following one of the principles in its own Declaration of Independence. Most of the year I am just an unwanted drain on society, except April 15th and whenever you need someone to die or kill for you. Fück that shit. When I can buy alcohol legally, when I can buy opium legally, when I can drink in public, inject in public, snort lines in public, and smoke outside, when I can run my own opium den, then I will have a reason to sign up. Not before. I have better things to do than die and kill so that your vision of the world you want your kids (and everyone else's kids, and everyone else) can be a little closer to reality.
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BC. You do not understand that it is not that simple. I graduated from college and I am STILL stuck in a dead end job. I have no car, no license, I don't make enough money to get a car. I am basically stuck. These days the best way to get a job is to know someone that can hook you up with a better one. Plus just about every job I look for requires more experience than I have. It's really not that easy...
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I see Count Bean is up to his old tricks, claiming that anyone who disagrees with him is ignorant.
quote:See, it's only in the eyes of Americans that American is the greatest nation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is utter bland stupidity. Not even spectacular stupidity, if you do not think people want to be here, to have what we have, to be as prominent in world affairs as we are, you are simply ignorant
US prominence in world affairs is not as great as it once was. China, Japan and the EU have all tried to upstage us to some extent.There is a huge difference between power and greatness. Just because we are have the most powerful nuclear arsenal and military doesn't make us great. Nor does having desperate Mexicans and S. Americans cross the border looking for work mean we are great--we just have more jobs that pay more than 3rd world countries. So what? So does the rest of the indusrialized world, immigrants looking for work are common.
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The USA became great for many reasons, but primarily it is our unique, yes I say unique! value of freedom, personal freedom perfectly balanced by personal responsibility. Part of this is indeed the personal choice to fight for freedom, but much of our greatness is the results of the many times many paths that people have followed in their personal freedom. Paths that have lead to wealth and prosperity and conquest of the entire vast area of the USA. Freedom to think and read, and build and marry.
Unless you're an American Indian. They were either killed or their past and current paths were crushed to pave the way for America's glory during the "conquest of the entire vast area of the USA." Hardly a ringing endorsement of American personal freedoms and paths to prosperity. Or if you're gay, Americans have recently said resoundingly they have no freedom to marry. Our freedoms are hardly unique--many people enjoy more civil and political liberties than Americans.
quote: The number of American homeless is the most wildly exaggerated number in statistics, at the most one tenth of the number claimed most often can be found, and of those 90% are misclassified since they are mentally ill.
Homeless advocates would agree that many homeless are mentally ill. But it's not mutually exclusive--one can be both, you don't get a scarlet 'H' for homeless or a 'M' for mentally ill. There is no misclassifaction.
quote: The poverty line is an arbitrary and virtually meaningless number. People below it have more opportunities for school and health care then many just above it. Hard to feel sorry for them. A Sergent in the Army with a wife and three kids used to qualify for food stamps under Clinton.
Any income level is arbitrary and subjective to some extent. That doesn't make it meaningless. Are we to believe that there are no poor? I suspect you have rarely felt any empathy for anyone. And soldiers' families continue to qualify and get food stamps under Bush. Is this wrong somehow? Should the practice stop? What's your point?
quote: Oh and about Brazil! Is it not bigger then the US? You have at least as many resources as we do, traditions dating back at least a century further and a vast number of people, you are saying that we push you around?
If you do not like your government blame your own Spanish land grant traditions and the Pope for giving you to Portugal, we just keep Imperialists out, what you do to yourselves is up to you, sorry but you are a big country time to act like it!
The US has a long tradition of meddling in the internal affairs of other countries, especially in Central and South America. It's a lie to say "we just keep Imperialists out, what you do to yourselves is up to you," and it's churlish to tell them to shut up and "act like a big country." So should Brazil aid a military coup in America as we did in Argentine in 1973?
France, France used to be significant in the world, it used to have an empire and imperial ambition. At its height it wanted to rule all of Europe and then the world, creating one language and religion bending every conner of the world to its will.
We have no imperial ambition. Could we conquer Mexico? Yes, Canada? Yes, could we have kept Japan? Yes, The Philippines? Yes... Yet the French want to lecture us from cowardice masked as the moral high ground... fagh!
Do we begrudge the EU its success? Not at all, we are happy to see the source of the last two great world wars to tangled up together to try to exterminate each other.
What is our arrogance? A willingness to believe that what is true and right for us is true and right for all men? A belief that freedom is better then anything else for men and that it is the inheritance of all mankind that will deliver us into the best of all possible worlds?
Frankly I find it amusing that their is not a single country that would like to see our power in the hands of any country but us. Except themselves. That makes it simple jealousy. God help us if smoldering French resentment or smothered Hun ambition or Russian incompetence or Chinese ruthlessness or Middle Eastern fanaticism were married to our power, thank God that if they do get that power, we remain in place to check it!
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No country with the Gracie family and so many hot scantily clad babes needs to whine about what the United States does! Brazil has so many hot chicks!
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Why the devil would anyone want to conquer Mexico? You got the good bit in 1848. As for Japan, certainly you could have continued to occupy it, but extracting any money? I think not.
The thing about US 'non-imperialism' is that it doesn't need to be, it was so aggressive in the ninetennth century that any further territory gains would be useless.
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Free and Common Sockage would do Mexico so much good that it would become quite nice, its a fixer upper. As for getting money out of Japan, I think the Japanese are people who shine whatever the circumstances. The greatest followers in the world! They would have made wonderful Americans, they are good at whatever they set there minds too.
I think at times they feel insulted that we did not want them. Kinda like beating up the bully and then not sleeping with the girl. Makes her feel ugly.
I wish we had their drive to conquer space still. Perhaps after this war...
I tell you, waiting for someone to come up to my level here is like waiting for the Russians to resupply my food.
Come on I'll dance with the ugly girls too, don't be scared and timid!
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Actually I forgot about it, I am sure I said what I had to say. Letting people have the last word is a thing I do. I love the little people that make all of this possible...
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No Canadian has the right to bash the USA, our frendship with your country makes it unassailable by anyone in the world. You shelter in the palm of our hand. I think that the original post was kind of apologizing. 'beating the drum' instead of 'picking up a sword.'
I know for a fact that Bean Counter is a soldier like I was, I think that those of you that are talking instead of walking are pathetic. His heads on straight, he is going to fight for the USA and for the freedom of yet another country (no need to thank us again Frenchy) and he is tall and proud and full of beans! You people trying to bring him down are plugging the barrel, blunting the sword and poking holes in the boots of an american weapon. You make me sick!
Someone mentioned American Ex Pats, well most are rich guys looking to stretch their money in foreign parts, but those who do not love this county, don't let the door hit you in the ass! I've said it before and I will always say it, we can do without you.
We bleed every time someone decides he is going to bring down the big dog, take him down a peg, get a lick in. Then this country of fat stupid baffoons who cannot read or talk right or spell good or whatever your local stereotype says kicks the ever living dog snot out of those responsible.
Give aid to terrorists! Preach hate of us! Attack us! We got some for you too!
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Wow I am a weapon! Quit plugging my Barrel! ouch, quit trying to plug that... okay you can plug that one, ahhh.... BC
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His patriotism is BS huh? Good to know where you stand. Defending America here is out of fashion, well I guess I do not belong because there is nothing else in this world I believe in more. Is that the way it is here? I think the host, who seems to be pretty darn patriotic to me would be ashamed of you Americans afraid to stand up for our country when all it costs you are words, not blood. You sell your love of country too cheaply for me.
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While I can't happily beat the drum as loud or as fast as BC and JH, I do believe in the greatness of America and worry a bit about the way we view ourselves today.
Honestly, why do we want to be more like Europe? I'm not sure that they've been very good role models for us. As a nation, we've had to divorce our motherlands and fatherlands forcibly. Over the last century or so, we've had to pay them alimony and have had to step in again and again to stop the domestic violence between themselves.
Now, here of late, they tend to sit there, our disavowed parents, swaying lightly in their straight-backed chairs, toying with the swoon of yesterday's stale, cheap red wine, and tell us how we should be better, be more like them, responsible citizens of the world.
It does kind of make me sick. Every thirty or forty years, we've basically got to pick mom or dad up from the bar or the drunk tank after they've picked a fight or made a mess of themselves.
And, like a dutiful child, we'll sit there and listen to their drunken ramblings about how we should live. And somewhere, down deep inside, like any child of a dysfunctional family, we'll think to ourselves that our parents must be right, no matter what we have accomplished on our own.
But don't get me wrong, I don't think we're doing things right or even very well right now, but it's something that I feel we're better equipped to hash out among ourselves than by listening to the chatterings of the European press and diplomatic corps.
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200 punks what you gonna do got two six shooters gonna see me through thats 12 dead and 188 paul bearers
Hey Poor People what you wanna do Rappin Ron Reagan got cheese for you love the needy love them dearly love to read graffiti if they would print it clearly Got an open mind on civil rights my youngest son grew up in tights
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There's a big difference between patriotism and jingoism. Patriotism at the expense of another person, party, or nation is completely indefensable. Why can't America be great by virtue of its greatness and not by virtue of it being "better" than everyone else?
I love my nation, but not because I think Europe has it wrong or because I think America hasn't done anything wrong. America has done some pretty awful stuff in the past, but unlike some posters, I refuse to throw stones becuase I know every nation on earth has done (and is doing) things wrong.
An intelligent discussion on the point-by-points of who is doing what wrong is fine, but I'm not seeing that here.
quote: And with this taxes, we have a totally free health system.
As a point of sematics, your health care system isn't free, it's paid for by taxes. Your country has developed the social contract that people need health care, and everyone has a responsibility towards the welfare of the individual.
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If you don't think your wife is the prettiest girl at the dance then you are pretty messed up. Jingoist, what the hell is that anyway? Some fancy word that makes you cool like Latte or something. Ashes... I am glad you are out there, I guess I will stick around.
Tell me to chill out? I plan to die of stroke screaming on the CB while working and drive my truck through your house. Chill out...
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I think my girlfriend is the prettiest girl at the dance because I love her and she loves me. I don't have to attack anyone else for dancing wrong, or having plain dance partners.
If you don't know a word, look it up, FFS! Don't attack me for using it. EDIT: I drink coffee like every college student I know. I don't get off on hot milk (i.e. latte).
Jingoism: (1) Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; (2) chauvinistic patriotism. (from dictionary.reference.com)
quote:Free and Common Sockage would do Mexico so much good that it would become quite nice, its a fixer upper. As for getting money out of Japan, I think the Japanese are people who shine whatever the circumstances. The greatest followers in the world! They would have made wonderful Americans, they are good at whatever they set there minds too.
I think at times they feel insulted that we did not want them. Kinda like beating up the bully and then not sleeping with the girl. Makes her feel ugly.
This is probably one of the most insulting posts I have ever read on Hatrack.
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Are you too much of wuss to punch the guy in the nose who calls her an ugly slut? Cause you won't keep her if you are, they always cheat on the sensitive crying type. (pushing an analogy here, not calling anybody a slut!)
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Are you implying that countries should go to war over words, or that the citizens should get into a brawl for insulting each other's countries? I'm not following the analogy properly.
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The most insulting? Likely I topped myself to achieve that. It is good to be the best at something, so many people just resort to name calling and smarmy icons. It is nice to be appreciated. However it is strange how much insulting of our country gets swallowed without a single gag.
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