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Orincoro
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quote:
Originally posted by pH:
Yeah, but you're a musician like, "Ooooh, listen to this flute here." Not, "Hey, baby...I wrote a song for you on my acoustic guitar. I'm so sensitive and deep. I like to play at the coffee shop sometimes."

-pH

I do play at the coffee shop sometimes... I DOOO!!!!
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Oh, on the subject of local bands, the only person that comes to mind is: Jeremy Facknitz

He was in a band called The Ottomans (which beat out The White Stripes for best new band at an awards show in Detroit) who opened for the Verve Pipe, Blessed Union of Souls and others. But they parted ways and he joined his brother to crank out some really great music.

In the link above, you can listen to a few MP3s of his songs. I personally recommend "Songwriter Strikes Back" which I think is fun to listen to, and pretty funny. "Sweet Wedding Bells" is a nice ballady song too.

"Overnight Concierge" is a cool song too, it's about a guy stuck as an concierge overnight at a hotel, but what it's REALLY about is him being a DJ at Champps, the restaurant where I work. He's actually a good friend of my brother's, they used to work there together before he started in on the music scene.

I have a ton of his stuff on my computer, and a lot of his brother's music too, Jarod Facknitz. They're both great individually, and even better when they sing together. Check out their concert dates, they're all free concerts in coffee houses basically, but it's great music, and they're traveling quite a bit this summer, so try and catch them if you're nearby.

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In no particular order:

Outkast
Peter Moon Band
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Sublime
Jurassic 5
Pepper
Kalapana
Greenday
UB40
Mos Def & Telib Kweli
Bob Marley
Nas
Tupac
Foo Fighters
Gorillaz
Kanye West
Big Mountain
Cecilio & Kapono
Dispatch
Flogging Molly

My list is humbled by the quantity of indie music on this thread. I'm such a corporate whore. [Big Grin]

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My latest infatuations are the works of:

Eric Whitacre
Yoko Kanno
Joe Hisaishi
Whoever did the music for The Constant Gardner
Harry Gregson-Williams
Holst's "The Planets"
Imogen Heap
Junkie XL
Paul Oakenfold
Royksopp (very intersting)
ISHQ
John Rutter

All in all, it's easier for me to say that I like all music except:
Rap
Hiphop (some)
Country (most)
Rock (some)

Yeah, same here Juxtapose. I think the only "indie" artist I have is Imogen Heap, and I'm not even sure if she's indie.

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Rock and Country are really the only types of music I can't bear to listen to. A lot of rock music sounds like the same thing just set to a different song, and country is just too slow for me. I like a lot of rap but I'm more hooked on the older stuff like Illmatic and Familiar Faces.
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"A lot of rock music sounds like the same thing"

Listen, this is always what people say about music they don't get. That and "it's just a bunch of bangs and crashes", though you can substitute other nonsense-sound words like "monkeys hooting" for "bangs and crashes". Those are two universal statements. Listen for them and you will hear them said over and over by diverse people talking about wildly different genres and groups. It's sort of cool that way. [Smile]

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Most hardcore does sound the same...because nowadays, bands have to follow a very specific formula to be considered "hardcore."

RAH RAH RAHHHHH RAHHHHHH RAH RAH RAH RAHHHHHHH LOVE WILL KILL ALL!!!!!!!!

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Country music is too SLOW?

Must not listen to a lot of country. Any genre has its slow music and its fast music. You just weren't listening to the right songs/artists.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:

Must not listen to a lot of country. Any genre has its slow music and its fast music. You just weren't listening to the right songs/artists.

I think alot of country simply feels slow because the orchestration and forms are tiresome and repetitive. Not always, but this is what makes me really sick of country music, I just don't appreciate the ubiquitous lap-slide and the repetitive recycled harmonies. Of course you're going to name the exceptions to that generalization, but the genre is tainted for me.
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Toad and anyone else to whom this may apply:

If you like David Draiman's rawring, you might want to check out "Songs for the Restless" by Endo. It's more melodic, and Gil does a lot of the sexeh growls, grunts, and breathing that I love so much.

-pH

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
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... and the repetitive recycled harmonies.

Beach Boys anyone?
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Lyrhawn
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I don't think I buy that Orin. Some of the best music from the Beatles era is the same few chords over and over and over again, and people latched onto that like it was god himself shaking people's hands.

I won't bother to name anyone at all. You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't happen to agree. I listened to a LOT of country when I was younger, and I never once thought "Hm, this genre is way too slow." Maybe I'm just not enough musically couth for your satisfaction, but there are way too many groups, and genres out there that do the same thing you accuse country music of, that people fawn over, for me to believe that it's the reason why country is viewed as too slow.

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Re local bands:

My absolute favorite local Chicago band is Ferdinand Fox. They just won a competition Saturday and they get to play at the Metro! I am so excited for them. (I helped them out by sewing patches onto t-shirts and getting creative with fabric.) If they win the Metro, they get to tour Europe! Fox rox ass! [Big Grin]

There's also a really good D.I.Y. punk/hardcore scene here. My favorite hardcore/thrash band is Disrobe. Loud, screaming, unintelligible, punch people kind of music. SHUT UP AND PLAY!!! [Evil Laugh]

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I just listened to a few Endo tracks, and I gotta say, I like it.

On the subject of country, there's something to suit everyone's taste. An indie band from Toronto, Eliott Brood, is playing something called "death country" it's not really heavy, but it's cool. The drummer uses an old suitcase instead of a bass drum. It's not to everyone's taste, but I know that some Hatrackers like varied music. Linky-tinky.

I definitely wish there was more variety in new hardcore music, but I can live with what I have. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Earendil18:
quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
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... and the repetitive recycled harmonies.

Beach Boys anyone?
Now, you just wait a second. The Beach Boys were cool. And their music is still awesome.
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Beach Boys?They just sing about girls and cars and California all the time. And surfing with girls who drive T birds in California and wear bikinis.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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They have a sweet Christmas album.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
I don't think I buy that Orin. Some of the best music from the Beatles era is the same few chords over and over and over again, and people latched onto that like it was god himself shaking people's hands.

The Beatles themselves employed some of the most advanced harmonic and formal techniques ever seen in folk-type music, and their understanding of the music was very deep (although they were supposedly musically "illiterate," since they didn't read sheet music at all).

Other artists were not as adventurous, or else they relied on other parts of their music to be distinctive. Its true that some groups in virtually every genre will be repetitive and derivative, and country is no exception.

In fact I think what I dislike about country is the social aspect, which accompanies the music. It is IN the music too, the odd mix of conservatism and rebellion spirit which I find not to my own liking. I think all the country I ever listened to has failed to convince me either of the values it extols, or the sincerity of the songwriters. So with country I feel bored, unconvinced, and manipulated most of the time.

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You're no fun at all.
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I like anything good (by my standards, obviously) regardless of what genre it's in. Some of my favorite genres are classic rock (Kansas, Rush, The Shadows, Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Queen, etc.), indie rock (American Analog Set, The Arcade Fire, Modest Mouse, The Flaming Lips...) some metal (mostly Iron Maiden and Megadeth) and reggae (mostly Bob Marley). And if I'm in the mood, the jam rock, ska, garage kind of stuff (Dispatch, Sublime, OAR...stuff like that).
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Toad, which'ns did you listen to? My personal favorites off that particular CD are "Simple Lies," "Clean Sheets (and a dirty mind)," and "Shame."

-pH

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
You're no fun at all.

[Evil Laugh]

I do rock the Bach, if that makes you feel better.

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Modest Mouse is indie rock? What does that make Franz Ferdinand?


Orincoro -

We'll call it even [Smile]

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I don't like Modest Mouse. Franz Ferdinand is hit-or-miss. I like Hot Hot Heat...

And Fingertight!

-pH

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By the way, Toad, I'm really liking "Deify" off the new Disturbed CD.

Bush-bashing that's more thoughtful than "BYOB," but that I can still dance to! [Cool]

-pH

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I listened to Shame and Clean Sheets. Both sounded pretty good to me. Have you read the lyrics to B.Y.O.B.? They're pretty intricate, like any other System song.

For Jam rock, there's nothing like the Grateful Dead.

Iron Maiden Rocks.

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Orincoro: That's kind of funny you think country is repetitive, because I was listening to Bach the other day (the Brandenbergs 1&5) and thinking how generally repetive they were: essentially verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus. The only thing that redeems the 5th is that rockin' harp cadenza. I'm not really disagreeing with you, but amused at the coincidence because I seriously thought that yesterday. On the other hand, I really do hate country too. I just hear it and the hairs on my arms stand up. Something about the lack of musicality in the singing? No idea. Yeesh.

Flaming Toad: Re: jam rock, you should listen to Widespread Panic if you haven't already! They are great and still performing.

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I generally think that the criticism in BYOB has fewer legs to stand on than Deify.

Check out Endo's "Simple Lies." It had something to do with that Daredevil movie or something, I don't remember.

-pH

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It was on the OST. Good song.
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Imogen Heap
Imogen Heap
Imogen Heap
Imogen Heap

Video of performance in 2002
Video of performance in 2005

I went to her concert a few weeks ago and I'm so pumped!

Lyrhawn, you should check out Ralph (pronounced Rafe) Vaughan Williams' Symphonies 4, 5, 6, and 9. 4 was right before WWII so it is very... like Holst's Mars (Holst and Vaughan Williams were friends). 5 was hopeful, 6 and 9 were... cold war.

The other amazing singer I've recently found is Hayley Westenra. Very pure voice (it isn't ironic one of her albums is named Pure).

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quote:
Originally posted by Orincoro:
The Beatles themselves employed some of the most advanced harmonic and formal techniques ever seen in folk-type music, and their understanding of the music was very deep.

yeah, yeah, yeah
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[ROFL]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kristen:
Orincoro: That's kind of funny you think country is repetitive, because I was listening to Bach the other day (the Brandenbergs 1&5) and thinking how generally repetive they were: essentially verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus. The only thing that redeems the 5th is that rockin' harp cadenza. I'm not really disagreeing with you, but amused at the coincidence because I seriously thought that yesterday.

I was thinking about this very topic today during my jog.

This is a function of the role of Bach's music in the lives of his audience. There was no recorded music, so he could "get away" with doing quite a bit more of the same music over and over again. In fact he was not padding the peices at all, but instead filling a demand and responding to a fashion which predates him. For Bach peices it's important to remember that his audiences were not often familiar with his body of work and style, nor with the peices themselves. A peice was heard once, and that was that, so repetition ensured memorability. If you were listening to a Bach concerto for the first time, and it was your first such peice of music (the most well crafted concerto ever written, or that you had ever heard, essentially), you would want to hear the same elements several times over because they are so beatiful. Additionally, performers could learn more music faster if it was the same music, but slightly transformed over time.

There is a very good reason why Bach begins to sound repetitive over 3 hours of music, and country begins to sound repetitive in 30 minutes. There is just more depth in Bach, and the repetitions wear well on his music, even in the current listening climate of ipods and earbuds.

[ May 17, 2006, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: Orincoro ]

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Ok, now I'm on my classic recommendation mode. Someone please distract me before I spend all night on this...

Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade
Modest Mussorgsky: Pictures at an Exhibition
Erik Satie: Sports et divertissements, Gnossienne, Nocturnes
Debussy: La Mer, Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune (Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun)
Holst, Hammersmith
Copland, Symphony 3

Well, I'll have to put the rest on hold because I got sidetracked:

Imogen Heap on Letterman show
Must be Dreaming video
Just for now AMAZING PERFORMANCE close up
Close up (one of my favorite songs)
Part of Loose Ends

She's also got a song in Shrek 2 (Holding out for a Hero) and in Narnia (Can't take it in) movies.

Interview
Interview
Interview 2

She is on tour, east coast and Canada, so you might check her myspace website and go hear her! (the live shots above are from her current tour)

A thing about Imogen. She made her own record label, so if you haven't heard about her it is because she is her own distributor, vs having the big "evil" companies promote her (guess they do have a purpose...). In case you haven't watched any of the vids yet, she is her own band too (except for when she was in Frou Frou and a few songs with Zoe Keating).

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Human, I am more a fan of "Nocturnes" by Debussy, instead of "lapres midi d'un faune." Especially "Nuage" is such a sexy peice of music, it's really got everything you could want- except for the oboe solo. of course, no reason you can't like both!

If your list is purely 20th century, then what would be your selections from Rachmoninoff, Bartok or Shosokovich? And what about Berg or Messian, or even Shoenberg (not for me though, bleh).

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Rachmoninoff - I never really learned anything of his. Didn't he have that death march?
Shosokovich - ditto
Bartok - Anything and everything by him. I actually never heard any one piece of his as sticking out.

If you want "20th century" then I'd say:
Messiaen's canyons
Ive's unanswered question
Steve Reich
John Adams

I'd have to investigate them more to pick individual pieces. I never really did pick favorites from them. Considering I can't get enough of Imogen, I kinda doubt I'll look into it soon.

I don't really like Berg too much, at least not what I studied. And Schoenberg? Pft... Even current "20th century" composers agree a lot of his ideas are not the greatest. Purely random music? I prefer my cat walking on a piano.

Another comment about Imogen. About everything she does in her music is something I've wanted to do. So listening to her is like listening to the music I've always wanted to compose.

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I agree about Shoenberg, and yes, his compositions haven't stood up well to time.

Shostokovich is amazing, you should jump on that bandwagon. He wrote a number of really devine string quartets and some orchestral music which is just heavenly. He was a very consonant composer.

Reich- I'm playing in "electric counterpoint" at the end of the month. CRAZZY! Awesome. Pat Methaney might come- he's in the area. (He will never come but I have convinced myself he might show.)

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I also like Powerman 5000.
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Action Action. Specifically, the song "Drug-Like."

-pH

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Orinoco,
I work in a media library and we have recordings of nearly everything. You give me a listening list, anything, Schoenberg even, and I'll listen to it all (or what I have) if you watch all of the Imogen Heap links I posted (including the interviews).

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And you have to watch this one too:

Come Here Boy - she did this one when she was 19 years old.

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you burned me with the war of the worlds music... but alright I'll check out your imogen stuff. I'll give you a short list of my picks of the 20th century soon- although it won't be comprehensive since I only really got into 20th century music about 8 months ago!
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Hehehe! Well, this stuff is a bit... newer and current. My new catch phrase is "relevant".

And think about it, at least you get to torture me a bit if you want! "Oh PLEASE don't make me listen to..." hehehe

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Toad, have you ever heard that Disturbed song "God of the Mind?" I can't figure out where to get my hands on it. I think it was on a soundtrack, but I don't remember which one.

It was that song that went:
"You want a god, but you're never gonna give in to me. You wanna deity like me..."

-pH

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*Rubbing hands together* muahahaha

Let's see, I'll post my list thursday

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pH, this one? (iTunes required)
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Pantera, Metallica, Disturbed, Nitro, Dream Theater, AC/DC, Van Halen, The Doors(my lulluby was Touch Me), Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Neil Young, Billy Joel, Joni Mitchell, Fleetwood Mac, Lynard Skynard, and the Practical Magic soundtrack
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quote:
Modest Mouse is indie rock? What does that make Franz Ferdinand?
Given that the one and only qualification for the Indie Rock genre is an independent record label...neither is indie rock.
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quote:
Originally posted by erosomniac:
quote:
Modest Mouse is indie rock? What does that make Franz Ferdinand?
Given that the one and only qualification for the Indie Rock genre is an independent record label...neither is indie rock.
true
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