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I like Emma, I don't like Teri or Tanaka. I don't want a love triangle with her, but I like her.
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Tonight's was pretty fun, but mostly it got me curious. Since they're now refusing to support their minor daughter, could Finn's mom sue the Fabres for child support?
I mean, she won't. They've made enough of a deal about how poor and mousy she is. But I'd love to see a showdown where she threatens to if they don't keep Quinn on their insurance and send her a check monthly.
If they weren't so busy making sure the kids know teen pregnancy is bad, they could have fun finding creative solutions to the problem. None of them are easy, but they do still have options.
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Kids get kicked out of their homes all the time. I am not personally aware of any successful lawsuits over the issue. Someone must have tried at some point.
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They were exactly as I pictured them. Quinn's parents were just as horrible as you would expect and I just loved Finns' mom this episode and Finn going through his dads stuff. Kurt's dad is always awesome.
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I think that would be a wee bit awkward what with Kurt being in love with Finn and Finn being, you know, straight.
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YAAAAAAY. Will knows his wife isn't prego. FINALLY.
Good episode. Good for Will, Good for Quinn.
A bit boring for Finn and the redundancy of the Glee clubs ridiculously unrealistic and exaggerated struggle with being in Glee and being losers. Seriously, if those kids were in any glee club in any HS, they'd be the coolest kids in the school.
Though, musically, nothing really stood out for me this week. Hope that Will finding out about his wife is the domino that will undo all the annoying baby drama.
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You can tell he really, really wanted to hit her. I don't think he could be blamed if he had.
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It definitely felt like it was about to turn violent. That said, I would definitely blame him if he hit her. Domestic violence isn't okay no matter how angry you are.
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I thought the episode was very weak. The jump thing was cool but got too long. I'm glad Shue found out Terri isn't pregnant but I don't really like the way he reacted.
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quote:It definitely felt like it was about to turn violent. That said, I would definitely blame him if he hit her. Violence isn't okay no matter how angry you are.
Fixed that for you. (Well, actually I don't necessarily agree with the changed statement, but at the level of violence we're talking about it doesn't make much sense to me to restrict it's restriction to only family units).
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quote:Originally posted by Armoth: YAAAAAAY. Will knows his wife isn't prego. FINALLY.
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Though, musically, nothing really stood out for me this week.
I completely agree with both points here. Will's reaction was pretty awesome, in that he nailed the reaction I wanted him to have. Otherwise, the episode was pretty much average.
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I think the part that tripped me up a little was that in the office with Sue and Figgins, Shue said he was thinking about leaving his wife. But when he talked to the guidance councilor and she mentioned divorce, he got all defensive. I'm curious to see what he decides, and I think I'm glad they're not planning to have him leave his marriage out of hand.
Granted his wife is a terrible person and he probably shouldn't have married her in the first place, but at least they seem to be treating the subject with some consideration.
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quote:It definitely felt like it was about to turn violent. That said, I would definitely blame him if he hit her. Violence isn't okay no matter how angry you are.
Fixed that for you.
No you didn't. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. I don't agree with the changed statement given how broad it is.
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As I said, I don't really agree with it either. (unfortunately none of the technically correct ways I could have reworded your statement would have had the right quality of snark). But I don't think slapping someone because they did something that made you mad is any better or worse when the person in question is your wife.
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Violence is a general term, and doesn't have to mean physical violence directed at a person. If someone angers you and you throw something across the room and not in their direction, I would call that a violent act. I don't think it's an inherently wrong expression of that anger.
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I've already indicated that my original statement was chosen specifically for snark value, and even if it wasn't I think it was pretty clear that I was merely removing the "domestic" modifier as opposed to opening it up to all kinds of metaphorical interpretations of the word 'violence.'
And you haven't really addressed my actual point - is there any reason to focus on violence between members of a family versus violence between any two random people who are having a dispute?
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If you were going for snark value, you failed. There was no indication in your original alteration of my opinion that you were trying to be humorous or facetious. Given that it was my opinion, my words, and my point of view that I was expressing, I think my definition of violence is the one that matters. I'm not going to discuss this any further, because I don't see the need to defend myself against your analysis of my opinion.
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I realize internet sarcasm and humor is easy to fail at, and I guess I did. I was assuming "Fixed that for you" is enough to indicate that there is some level of joking (whether mean spirited or not) going on. More importantly, I assumed my subsequent disclaimer was enough to convey that I wasn't trying to attack you or your opinion and that my tone was supposed to be sarcastic but not offensive. My friends and I mock each other playfully for saying things we didn't quite mean, which is what I thought you did. And in retrospect on the internet I need to be way more careful than that, because it's not obvious at all.
In my first post I simply assumed that you were making an off the cuff statement and only specified domesticate violence because that was what the issue at hand was about, and that if pressed you'd go "Oh, well yeah interpersonal violence is bad in general, but this was a domestic dispute, so ." Your response was merely criticize my own vagueness of statement, and I wasn't sure at first whether you were being snarky back or taking me way to seriously or what.
I am genuinely interested in knowing if you actually do see a difference between domestic and "normal interpersonal" violence. I haven't been attacking your opinion so far, merely your use of the english language, because I don't know what your opinion actually is.
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My opinion is that domestic violence isn't okay. I haven't made any statements on interpersonal violence in general, nor do I care to, because I consider that a different and much more complicated issue and not even vaguely relevant to this thread as it has gone so far. Your disclaimer read to me as though you were trying to make my opinion into TRUTH, but that you thought there were shortcomings to that statement that needed further clarifications.
quote:In my first post I simply assumed that you were making an off the cuff statement...
Why? What would make you assume that I hadn't thought about what I was writing and the implications of the statement?
quote:Your response was merely criticize my own vagueness of statement
I wasn't criticizing your vagueness, I was criticizing your attempt to "correct" my opinion with something that, in fact, is not my opinion. It's like if I was talking to someone about thyroid cancer and I said, "Thyroid cancer is a really bad diagnosis." If you walked up and said, "I think what you really mean to say is that any cancer is a really bad diagnosis," I wouldn't react very well. The risks of cancer vary greatly from one type to the next, and a discussion on that is not inherently relevant to the conversation about a thyroid cancer diagnosis.
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I didn't think your initial statement was wrong, just overly specific. (But yeah, I guess the cancer analogy is fairly apt.) It may be that I also disagree with your beliefs but I didn't know that at the time. To be honest, this ISN'T something I've dedicated a whole lot of thought to, and I apologize for projecting that attitude at you.
In general I don't take Glee very seriously, and up until now I had been treating this thread the way I would a frivolous conversation with random friends, (and if my friends and I were having a frivolous conversation and somehow Thyroid Cancer came up, I might have made a similar comment depending on the context, not really expecting anyone to take it seriously). Except that suddenly we're talking about domestic violence and it took me a while to make the transition to "okay now we're talking about an actual serious problem as oppose to a silly show that I usually consider a guilty pleasure." And now that I have made that adjustment, I don't think my statement is particularly worth defending.
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Incidentally, my dad just got diagnosed with thyroid cancer. They said it is the "best cancer". I've kinda been avoiding it for denial/fear-of-truth reasons, but it stuck out to me here. Is it best bad or bad bad?
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Vonk, my mother was diagnosed with thyroid cancer when I was young. I actually didn't even know the truth of what happened until maybe a year or two ago when my dad told me. I remember her being in the hospital off and on and in bed alot, but she made a complete recovery. She'll be on thyroid medicine for the rest of her life and as a result struggles with her weight, but otherwise she's healthy and we expect her to be with us for a very long time.
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I guess it depends. My grandmother died of it, and my understanding was that it was pretty much a death sentence. There may be multiple types?
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Here's something I just found on the internet, so take it with a grain of salt:
quote:There are several types of thyroid cancer:
* Anaplastic carcinoma (also called giant and spindle cell cancer) is the most dangerous form of thyroid cancer. It is rare, and does not respond to radioiodine therapy. Anaplastic carcinoma spreads quickly and invades nearby structures such as the windpipe (trachea), causing breathing difficulties. * Follicular carcinoma accounts for about 30% of all cases and is more likely to come back and spread. * Medullary carcinoma is a cancer of non-thyroid cells that are normally present in the thyroid gland. This form of the thyroid cancer tends to occur in families. It requires different treatment than other types of thyroid cancer. * Papillary carcinoma is the most common type, and usually affects women of childbearing age. It spreads slowly and is the least dangerous type of thyroid cancer.
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My uncle had a type that even the doctors thought was weird. They originally thought he had a cyst, opened him up and saw that it was cancer that had spread already, closed him back up, and gave him six months to live.
I guess at some point he actually had it out, because after chemo and all the radiation he's ever allowed to have, he's still trucking. I suppose he would have been diagnosed something like 15 or 20 years ago now.
His health isn't great these days. After the last family get-together, he went home and found out he had walking pneumonia. And the shot he needs each month since he has no thyroid is quite expensive. He ended up losing his old job and having to work for the city, but that was probably for the best. They only work 40 hours a week, and as a CPA, he likes to call it his part time gig.
So here's hoping your dad's a trooper, whatever the diagnosis.
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It had a little bit of everything, with some amazing emotional performances, I think some realistic reactions for once (I'm sick of crap always working out in the end; that isn't real life), it was absolutely choke yourself to death hilarious, the songs were great, everything we were waiting to see happen happened, and the music was really good!
Top notch! Can't wait for the second half to see what they have cooked up next!
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I love Mr. Shuester fighting back tears as Rachel performed. My favorite moment of the season so far and in one of my favorite episodes!
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Now I'm mad. We have to wait for APRIL for the Joss Whedon episode???
I'm glad they got most of the baby-drama mess out in the open (not yet done, though, since Quinn apparently still thinks Terri and Will are going to take the baby). I'm ecstatic that Sue finally got busted. I don't know how I feel about the Emma/Will mess, though.
And the Rolling Stones was just too predictable. I know that Will was trying to send a clear message to Finn, but come on.
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I was fine with Rolling Stones. I liked that most of the plot threads got resolved by the half-season ending. I appreciate it when the writers provide some structure show's arcs.
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From the sound of things, I think Quinn is planning on keeping and raising the baby by herself. She seems to keep going back and forth on that though, hard to say.
Loved the episode. I don't mind the break so much. I figure with all that singing to learn, they deserve it. I just hope the show's still awesome when they come back.
Now I'm going to listen to Maybe This Time again. Dear Lord, Kristin Chenoworth is amazing!
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What MADE this episode for me was the Kelly Clarkson number at the end, specifically because they incorporated all their dances into it. It was so nostalgic, i loved it.
They had "don't even know his last name cowboy" style, the halo and it's my life mashup dances, the song Quinn and the cheerleaders tried out to, the hairiography, it was amazing.
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I love this show. Yeah it can be a little snarky at times, but I love the characters and the music.
I really enjoy the writing. Some of my favorite scenes were whe Kurt told his father he was homosexual and played football, when Finn learns Quinn is pregnant and has the flashback of them in the hot tub, and when Sue went to visit her sister.
This really is a show that can have you laughing one minute and tearing up the next. The look of pain on Mr. Schuster's face when he confronted his wife made me tear up.
My favorite quote from the last episode?
Sue: "Just add revenge to the long list of things you are not good at, like being married, teaching a glee club, and finding a hair style that doesn't make you look like a lesbian."
I can't wait until April. I want more Sue!
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Wow. I just came out of a law school final from Criminal Law. Our essay, 75 percent of our exam (2hrs and 15 min of it) was on Glee!!!
Generally, law school exams are issue spotting - some crazy fact pattern and you need to identify the legal issues and explain the chances every party has.
Apparently our professor is a Glee fan, because the story was that Will Schuester needed money to fund his Glee club, so he directs Rachel and Finn (separately) to steal TVs and computers from the A/V room. (Conspiracy, aiding and abetting, analysis of Rachel and Finn being held responsible for one another's conspiracy without foreknowledge, etc.)
Rachel needs a cart to carry the items, so she pays a homeless person 100 bucks for his cart, after revealing her intentions to him (possible conspiracy and aiding and abetting).
Finn is on a date with Quinn and takes her with him to the school, telling him her plan. She comes with him to the room, but she never verbally agrees to the plan. Before they enter, he sends her back to the car so that one of them stays out of jail to raise their baby (conspiracy, possible relenting).
Quinn, upset at Sue for kicking her out of the cheerios goes to her office to vandalize it (attempt), she finds here there, and, afraid of getting caught, knocks her unconscious with the hope of making her forget that she saw Quinn. Sue dies later of her wounds. (Possible Murder, Felony Murder, Reckless Murder, Involuntary Manslaughter, Reckless Manslaughter, and Negligent Homicide)(If found for conspiracy - does the liability for the murder carry over to Finn? Rachel? Schue?)
This isn't the whole story...but all I can say, is it made it a whole lot easier to know who everyone was and what their relationships were with everyone else, while my classmates were struggling not to confused Finn and Quinn. Also, it was comforting :-D
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Here's a fun game while we're waiting for Glee to come back:
What characters do you want to see sing what songs?
Given their voices, everyone is going to be able to sing certain songs better, and there are a few I'd love to see each of them sing. But the top of my list, as of this moment, is I'd love to see Puck sing "Last Kiss" by Pearl Jam. After hearing his version of "Sweet Caroline" I think he has the perfect voice for it.
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While I enjoy Glee, I actually skim through some of the singing because I'm not a musicals-person. Part of that is that I don't recognize the vast majority of songs they sing.
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You know that I want to see Puck sing anything that involves taking his shirt off, Shue too. I'll have to think about actual songs.
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I really like that Will and Emma are in a more realistic situation than it seemed like in December. Also, Sue singing Madonna was hilarious and awesome.
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I liked the return episode, but I just hated the Madonna episode. Were they contractually obligated to do all that slobbering? It was like bad product placement - really weird. I suspect that they were, that it was Madonna's idea to have the entire cast engage in a WTH hagiography. The producers should have said no - it was a throwaway episode, like they spent the whole time on the holodeck.
However, it looks like the next two weeks are going to be fantastic and back to the Glee of before, and I am stoked.
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