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That's another thing about DS9 - as dark as the overall story arc would get, there was still a place for humor and play. At least humor that was more noticeable to me than on TNG.
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Dax, the worm has no gender, I don't think. They adopt the gender of their hosts, but then they also remember the love interests of their previous hosts.
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I think the first female-female kiss I ever saw on TV was when Dax's host made out with the host of a symbiont that Dax had been married to in a previous life. Of course, I was so into the plot of the show that I didn't realize until much later (possibly someone had to point it out to me) that it was a homosexual kiss. Anyhow, my point is that yes, the symbionts don't really have gender and despite that kiss Jadzia is straight. By the way, the host before Jadzia was Curzon, whom Sisko knew. This is why Sisko calls Dax "Old Man." . . . . . *End Spoilers
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It was at least one of the first, and possibly the first, homosexual kiss on primetime television in a show that didn't focus on homosexuality.
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I think at the end of season 6? Ferrel wanted to leave the show so they had her replaced in a rather unflattering way.
The new Dax isn't bad. They just didn't have enough time left to develop her character. Not her fault.
I think they should've put Dax into Jake. Jake wasn't doing much at the last couple of seasons. This will give a whole new meaning to the term, "old man."
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I am *soooo* not used to alerting for spoilers. I figure that if you don't want spoilers concerning ds9, you should be reading about it in the first place.
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eh... Yours wasn't really a spoiler. You were asking a question, and wasn't really making a direct, positive statement.
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Got to see a couple of the shows. I remember what caught me right away about the show, in spite of some of the flaws in some of the characters.
I thought a Starfleet officer who used overt blackmail in the very first show to get a Ferengi to serve the greater good was someone I wanted to watch more.
I also think that the relationship between Ben Sisko and his son was a real departure for the Star Trek universe - the open expressions of affection were refreshing.
Lots of other stuff too - but it's early and I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet.
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Don't worry about that. A lot of people blackmail Quark. :-D I'm sure Odo does it hundreds of times. Ahh. Gotta love Odo. Rene Auberjonois is also a fairly frequent reader on NPR's Selected Shorts. Plus, Avery Brooks who plays Sisko was in American History X.
I thought I was completely over Star Trek, since I haven't seen so much as an episode in about four years (except the terrible Voyager Finale, which I watched for old times' sake) but when I heard this was coming on, I have to admit I was entirely too excited for my own good. Now I've spent the last two days geeking out.
quote:I think the deflector dish on the Enterprise is the modern-day equivalent of deus ex machina. Is there anything it can't do? Besides the laundry.
Too true :-D Technically, it's supposed to 'deflect' space debris, micrometeorites, and generally keep the ship from being torn to pieces the first time they go to quarter impulse, but in practice they seem to use it for every problem that doesn't have another solution...
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I believe the technology has supplanted the use of metal and electric razors.
I think the technique was discovered by an engineer who was late for a formal event and needed an emergency shave.
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I've looked, but I cannot find any site with intact DS9 episode synopsis. I want to know what I missed yesterday afternoon. What was the deal with O'Brian talking weird? I must know!!
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In retrospect, the Obsidian Order had it right when it came to the Founders.
Even a sinisterly broken clock is right twice a day. (But if anyone tells you which two times, they'll have to kill you.)
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quote:Don't worry about that. A lot of people blackmail Quark. :-D I'm sure Odo does it hundreds of times.
Oh, yeah - at least one person bribes, blackmails or threatens Quark every other episode or so.
But the first one to do it was the Starfleet Commander! I was impressed. It took a year or two before TNG had Riker do that to someone and Sisko was much better at it the very first time.
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Oh, the hug was because your thread was the victim of random acts of dobieness and senseless fluff.
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Quark deserves it though. My favorite Quark moment was when he hacked into the DS9 computer and started broadcasting commercials on the offical frequency. Posts: 4116 | Registered: Apr 2002
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I remember that one! "Come to Quark's! Don't walk, run!" And Worf's prune juice came out in a Quark's mug...
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The current episode reminds me of one of my big beefs with Star Trek -- how it deals with religion. It seems that in the star trek univers, all religious people are either power-hungry monsters, close-minded zealots, or blind sheep. Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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Stick around, the series offers other options as well. One of the most thoughtful Bajoran characters in the series is yet to come - and he's a Kai. Not to forget the original Kai who identified Sisko as the Emissary - she wasn't any of the above, either.
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Uh, you might want to review the first few episodes.
----minor early spoilers----
wisest and most important person on bajor: the religious leader.
the emissary of the Gods: Sisko (though he's skeptical).
And then later: ----major spoilers for late seasons----
Sisko is convinced about religion and becomes a "saint" of sorts in the very end. We see evil personified, and Sisko defeats it in an act of selflessness.
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Like I've said, I don't know much about DS9. This episode seems better than TNG in that regard.
That was one thing that I liked about B5. It seemed obvious that it was written by an athiest, but at it showed respect for religions and religious people.
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I think DS9 does a terrific job of portraying religious people.
Kira is probably the most "real" religious character I have ever seen on television. Her religious beliefs influence almost every aspect of her decision making. Kira takes her religion seriously and draws strength from it. Too many other shows portray religious people as merely "turn the other cheek" saps or "faith will conquer all" zealots. Kira is more complex than that.
I also liked how all the characters eventually stopped referring to the wormhole entities as "prophets" instead of "aliens."
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Maybe they figure that all the geeks out there watching Star Trek need more, um, self esteem.
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The geeks are fine. After all, we all are pretty good at conserving our strength for important matters - like lifting donuts from the boxes to our mouths.
It's the steroid athletes that end up needing help with uh.. self-esteem.
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I only got 19 right. Missed one trick question through sheer carelessness. You'll know the one I'm talking about. Posts: 4116 | Registered: Apr 2002
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mph -- episodes are only an hour long (minus ads). If they've got a plot revolving around religious fanatics, the religious fanatics are going to be the center of the episode and there won't be time for much else.
Not having equal time for even minded religious people in the same episode isn't an agenda, or even something that should be changed. Its just a natural consequence of the format when applied to the basic plot of the particular episode.
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I have the first 47 episodes of DS9 all on tape! Labeled!
The bad news:
Spike TV is apparently going to start running DS9 once per day - starting from the beginning! That means new shows (season 3) won't show up for about ten weeks!
It gets worse. On Fridays, they'll be airing "DS9 Uncut" - which will be two-episode arcs of DS9 played back-to-back. But they'll be played completely out of sequence!
Grrr. (Promising myself I won't watch shows out of sequence, but knowing I'll wimp out on that promise.)
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heh heh!! I've seen all three of the series out of sequence. It does get confusing. (we have all 8 seasons of TNG on tape. )
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ARGH!!!!! I thought that spike was being really smart and getting the lame first 2 episodes out of the way in one week, and then going on with the rest. But they are starting back over? What a crap! Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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How did you manage to get the secret eighth season? Paramount is still denying that it even exists!
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Well, they've moved the show all over the schedule, but I've actually managed to tape almost all the episodes. And now we're down to the final season - and they're showing two episodes a day in sequence!
Reacquainted myself with what may be my favorite Garak quote of all. Sisko enlists Garak's help in getting the Romulans to break their alliance with the dominion. Garak engineers the death of a Romulan Senator and makes it look like the Dominion did it, Sisko storms into the tailor shop and hits him.
Garak's response:
quote:"That's why you came to see me--isn't it, Captain? Because you knew I could do those things you weren't capable of doing. Well, it worked! And you'll get what you want - a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant, and all it cost was the life of one Romulan senator, one criminal, and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you, but I'd call that a bargain."
Diane is a little troubled by just how much I like Garak. Posts: 4344 | Registered: Mar 2003
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I love Garik too. Did you ever read the book stitch in time? it was written by the guy who played Garik, kind of filled in his back story, really good book imo.
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Yes! "A Stitch in Time" is one of the few novels in the Star Trek franchise that stands out very distinctly for me. Most of the other books just get remembered as a general fuzzy mess - like much of my memory. Posts: 4344 | Registered: Mar 2003
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