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pH
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quote:
Originally posted by erosomniac:
A very, very good, very, very difficult rule to follow.

Yeah....I really can't see myself doing that....

Although I will say that I don't think I'm heartbroken over this so much as...well, pissed off, of course. And paranoid.

And I have to go get tested for everything under the sun now, and that makes me really scared. To be honest, that is the one thing that DOES make me really upset/heartbroken...because I trusted him enough to be intimate with him, and he knowingly put me at all kinds of risk. So I'm terrified of going, but I know that I need to go. He said that he is putting a check in the mail today to pay for me to get tested, but I'm going to make the appointment and worry about whether or not he actually sent a check later. Because that is more important.

-pH

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I think the key (or guideline) for me would be that you want to hold off on serious attachment until you are stable and at a point where you can start a relationship again fresh and not rush it too much. I think rebound dating tends to escalate quickly (because you want to get back to the level of intimacy that you just lost) but is generally not healthy in the long run (or short run for that matter)

Edit: I think it really boils down to you getting comfortable being single again. Cause our identity changes at least some as we get further and further into a relationship. so when that's no longer there to at least partly define us, we have to get settled back into being single before we can really start fresh with a new person.

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quote:
Originally posted by TheGrimace:
I think the key (or guideline) for me would be that you want to hold off on serious attachment until you are stable and at a point where you can start a relationship again fresh and not rush it too much. I think rebound dating tends to escalate quickly (because you want to get back to the level of intimacy that you just lost) but is generally not healthy in the long run (or short run for that matter)

So what you're saying is, you won't be my rebound rocket scientist? [Frown] Darn. [Razz]

-pH

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well, I think you'd have to give it some time anyway cause I'm on the other side of the country... but by the time you got out this way I could potentially be your rebound rocket scientist [Smile] and when I tell you I'm 25 I'm not lying [Smile]
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*siiiiiiiiiidles over again* So....how YOU doin', rocket boy?

-pH

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I know lots of single rocket scientists. But most of them are kinda weird, and all are awaaaay out her in California. So I don't think I'll introduce you. [Wink]
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I would keep a photocopy of that check he's supposed to be sending, BTW.

Okay, well I shouldn't, but think you should. Something along those lines.

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hey now kq... we need as much help as we can get [Smile]

and for the record I'm doing alright if a bit tired [Smile] and happy that you can definately still manage some cheerful banter amidst the justified anger pH [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
I know lots of single rocket scientists. But most of them are kinda weird, and all are awaaaay out her in California. So I don't think I'll introduce you. [Wink]

I'm in California [Blushing]

Oh, and I love space.

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How old are you? Most of the single ones I know well (not all, but most) are older... And still single for a reason...
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And still single for a reason...
[Frown] I hate that phrase. It implies that if someone isn't married, then there must be something wrong with them. First, it encourages people to get married as soon as possible regardless of whether it's a good decision, and second, it's quite uncharitable.

Third, it implies that there getting married equals a stamp of approval. It isn't.

quote:

"You're like a serial killer in prison."
"Women marry them all the time!"


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quote:
Originally posted by Javert Hugo:
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And still single for a reason...
[Frown] I hate that phrase. It implies that if someone isn't married, then there must be something wrong with them. First, it encourages people to get married as soon as possible regardless of whether it's a good decision, and second, it's quite uncharitable.

Third, it implies that there getting married equals a stamp of approval. It isn't.

quote:

"You're like a serial killer in prison."
"Women marry them all the time!"


My brother is not married, and there is nothing wrong with him. But he does not socialize enough to make friends. He won't get married until he does.
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And you're prescient now?
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I think rushing into a marriage is a lot riskier than waiting to get married, even if waiting means you get stigmatized.
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He won't get married until he does.
While I agree that 'still single for a reason' is an unkind thing to say, from a purely pragmatic standpoint not socializing enough to make friends does make one's chances of finding a suitable partner for marriage worse. If you don't socialize, what's left? Random chance meetings, and work?
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Javert Hugo
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Shy, introverted people do get married all the time.

To answer the question directly, how many couples here met on the internet?

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quote:
Originally posted by Javert Hugo:
To answer the question directly, how many couples here met on the internet?

Is that not considered socializing?

I certainly consider it socializing - it helps me meet my quota. [Smile]

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eros beat me to it.

internet forums ARE social.

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Forums are not the only way people meet on the internet.
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Yes, but how many ways are there to meet people on the internet that you wouldn't consider social?
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*sigh* Don't split hairs.

I'm saying that you don't have to chat up every barista and go to dances in order to get married.

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quote:
Shy, introverted people do get married all the time.
I think you're being overly defensive about this. I didn't suggest it was impossible to get into a good marriage if you don't 'chat up every barista...' just that insofar as such things can be tangibly guessed at, one's chances are not improved by not socializing.

You're less likely to draw the ace of hearts if you only rarely draw from the deck.

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Sure - but that's certainly not reason enough for other to walk around passing out judgments.

Added: That also implies that everyone is waiting for the ace of hearts as opposed to something in the higher cards in a red suit.

[ November 06, 2007, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Javert Hugo ]

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quote:
Sure - but that's certainly not reason enough for other to walk around passing out judgments.
quote:
Shy, introverted people do get married all the time.

To answer the question directly, how many couples here met on the internet?

Er.
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Javert Hugo
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You'll have to spell out your objections directly, e.
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I know that I'm shy, quite, and I'm fairly defensive when people use the word "shy" in a negative way. Shy isn't bad. Shy isn't good or bad. It's just shy.

I hate parties, but I love the people in my life. I love solitude. I am energized by time alone and thinking, just the way (I understand) that extroverts are energized by interacting with people.

Don't be surprised when shy people are defensive. We hear things like "she'll never find a husband" or "she's so gifted, too bad she is backwards". There are books (written by unshy people) about how to help your child not be shy. Then if we are smart, we look at our lives, our very full lives with friends and happiness, and think about those poor people who have to go to party after party :-).

To be somewhat on topic, pH, I am sorry that this person was a scumbag and I'm glad that you found out. I hope for great happiness in the future for you.

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Javert Hugo,

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Sure - but that's certainly not reason enough for other to walk around passing out judgments.

Added: That also implies that everyone is waiting for the ace of hearts as opposed to something in the higher cards in a red suit.

Well, of course it's not. I thought I already made it clear I thought it wasn't a good reason to pass judgement.

As for higher cards...heh, well, it depends on what game you're playing. An ace is either high card or low card...but in the games I most commonly play, it's the high card. In some games it's the high card OR the low card. Anyway, I didn't suggest that people waiting were waiting for the lowest.

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There are books (written by unshy people) about how to help your child not be shy.
That's because shyness is a mental disorder. [Wink]
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I think my metaphor was muddled. I was saying that some people are waiting for the ace of hearts and only the ace of hearts and even if they meet the ace of diamonds then no good because that isn't the ace of hearts, and other people are a go when they meet someone who is anything from a 10 to an ace in either a diamond or a heart.
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quote:
As for higher cards...heh, well, it depends on what game you're playing. An ace is either high card or low card...but in the games I most commonly play, it's the high card. In some games it's the high card OR the low card. Anyway, I didn't suggest that people waiting were waiting for the lowest.
I'm pretty sure she was implying that not everyone is waiting for the best, but is willing to settle for (or is actively seeking) great, good or above average.

Edit: or she could post while I was posting, making my post useless!

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What if I'm looking for a set? Or a full house even (why not?)
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
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There are books (written by unshy people) about how to help your child not be shy.
That's because shyness is a mental disorder. [Wink]
Pshaw. [Smile]
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I need to clarify that there are real reasons. Like commitment issues, abandonment issues, anger management issues, and a lot of other baggage these people would have to overcome before they would be in a relationship. Reasons. Reasons that meeting someone nice is not going to change, and reasons that have in fact broken several hearts.

I love these folk to be friends with them, but the ones I'm thinking of, I would not want to be in a relationship with, because I'm pretty sure I'd end up hurt.

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As would kpc, probably.
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Javert: I doubt he will get married until he does, is that better?

Look being an introvert is not a bad thing in of itself. In the case of my brother he actually is not introverted. But he fails to empathize with others, and is very rigid in how he acts around people. Hence he is starting to withdraw from society.

Those behaviors DO lower his chances of finding a suitable partner for life, which is something HE desperatly wants.

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That's how I interpreted your post, kq. Not "They're not married, there must be a reason!" but "I know from experience that they have problems that would make it unlikely for them to be in a relationship."

I have a friend who feels lonely and wants a relationship. But I don't think that will happen until he addresses the problems he has. I'm not judging him because he's single -- I'd think the same things if he were in a relationship.

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Exactly, Shig-- except when they're in a relationship it's two people hurting instead of one.
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quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
As would kpc, probably.

I'd like to hope so. [Wink]
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kq, I understand where you're coming from and it's why I phrased things that a lot of us are normal/decent guys (certainly not everyone) and I'd even be willing to grant that my field probably has a greater proportion than some others of people with let's call them "personality oddities" that don't lend so much towards good/stable relationships.

I'm just arguing that there's some of us who are single atm primarily because we don't have/take enough opportunities to get out there and meet others and/or meet other women (though I shouldn't complain since my work environment has proportionally a lot more women than many other areas within the industry). at least for me it's more of the "not as many cards drawn out of the deck" thing (to borrow an earlier analogy).

And that could launch me into a whole 'nother discussion (which has already been partly started) but I don't know that it's appropriate to derail pH's thread more than it already is [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by pH:
If I get a crush on someone, how do I know if I really like them, or if it's a "rebound?" I honestly don't know how to tell the difference. I don't really think I understand what a rebound is, either.

-pH

I know this input is out of nowhere but I just thought I'd say that for me, a rebound is someone who helps you get over the first person by helping with physical contact withdrawals. I always miss hugs and whatnot and rebounds are stand-ins until I'm in a better situation. I don't know if anyone else sees it this way, but if I only think about a person when I don't want to be alone, I think he/she might be a rebound. If I start thinking about them as far as what I like about their personality and notice I'd choose to hang out with them for a specific reason, then I think they're less of a rebound and more of a possibility.

Hope things get better for you, pH. Hugs.

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[Frown] I'm very sorry to hear that this happened to you Pearce.

As for knowing when to date again, I've had trouble with that too. I think Tom's advice is spot-on about timing. It's been almost a year since my fiancee passed away, and I'm starting to feel like I'm ready to go and date again. I feel like I should. I'm still young like you are, I'm 23, so we both have time. I'ts just hard being single after years of a long term relationship. I'm finding it very hard to determine whether feelings I have for one girl or another are the beginnings of a "rebound" relationship, and I honestly doubt if it's possible to tell.

I wish you the very best in finding a good and honest man, they are out there. I know everybody has said this, but my email is always open if you want to talk about it at all. [Smile]

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quote:
I know this input is out of nowhere but I just thought I'd say that for me, a rebound is someone who helps you get over the first person by helping with physical contact withdrawals. I always miss hugs and whatnot and rebounds are stand-ins until I'm in a better situation. I don't know if anyone else sees it this way, but if I only think about a person when I don't want to be alone, I think he/she might be a rebound. If I start thinking about them as far as what I like about their personality and notice I'd choose to hang out with them for a specific reason, then I think they're less of a rebound and more of a possibility.
I think this is about right. I can identify people I'm rebounding with because when I step back from the situation, I can tell that I'm "settling" for them, and I almost always have put up roadblocks in my head to having a serious relationship.

Also, I've noticed that if a man is a rebound and not a serious possibility, I continue to rehash the old relationship emotionally even while being with the other person physically. And if I feel like I'm starting to have serious feelings toward the new person, they're usually a shadow of the feelings I had for the person I just broke up with.

I know it's not a rebound when I'd rather think about the new person than the old.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kasie H:


I know it's not a rebound when I'd rather think about the new person than the old.

I can see that. Although right now, I'm still occasionally struck with the angry-type-feelings...speaking of which...

You guys, I'm fairly certain he did get married. He gave my things back with a few weird items that weren't even mine, and in between asking him about them, I asked him several times if he'd gotten married. He answered the questions about the items, but he would never give me a simple yes or no about the marriage. And if he did get married, I feel obligated to tell his wife. Does this count as dwelling on it? At what point should I just let it go? It just makes me so angry that he might not have told her anything...or might have invented some weaselly lie that made her still okay with going through with the wedding. And I feel a little guilty that I couldn't contact her in time to prevent this from happening. At the same time, I know that dwelling on this is bad....but I really feel bad for her and want her to know the truth. I know that none of this is directly my fault, but I still feel kind of guilty for not...I'm not exactly sure what it is that makes me feel guilty.

-pH

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Presumably he is living with his wife. Call and leave a message.
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I don't have a home phone number for him....ever. I have 2 cell phones. Although I suppose she probably changed her name, based on some things he told me in the past...perhaps I can find something that way.

-pH

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You should ABSOLUTELY NOT feel guilty.

I know exactly what you mean. That brief period where I was made complicit in that one guy's cheating without knowing left ME feeling like I'd done something wrong.

This goes a long way towards explaing my absolute abhorence and disgust towards anyone who is cheating in just about any way. It's despicable and selfish, because it hurts everyone they have contact with.

For this...I don't know. If you think she doesn't know, then maybe...but you don't have to. It might be dwelling on it.

My feeling is that whoever told you also told her. My experience says that it isn't going to last regardless of what you do. The best thing for you is to burn his stuff and forget him completely. He's not worth a second more thought.

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I'm taking his stuff to give to charity today, actually. Along with all the stuffed animals and things that he gave me. Maybe some kids will have a nice Christmas. [Smile]

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Why don't you ask the person who told you about him if she also told his then fiancee?
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Because the person who told me did so through anonymous Livejournal comments. I suppose I could reply to the comments again, but I doubt she's still reading them.

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Ah, I see; I'd thought that at some point the two of you had taken the conversation to email.
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