quote:You're right, though--that red-headed terminator lady is absolutely awful. Dreadful. Every scene with her walking around that office chewing scenery is wasted time.
Really? I like her well enough. I love the way she talks - it suggests a kind of intelligence and motive that's a bit strange for a terminator yet still appropriate. The only time she particularly bugs me is when she kills someone. Then she drops the whole sophisticated attitude and just says some lame pithy one-liner with overexaggerated
And there is, of course, the gaping plot hole of why a terminator bothers to build Skynet from scratch when it could just infect the internet and... win. But that plot hole's kinda essential to the show, so Silver-Lady's dependence on it doesn't bug me especially.
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I actually am starting to think that's less and less likely. Something about her manner suggests that she has her own agenda to me.
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quote: I also noticed some logical errors in this week's show. The 888 asked the other two Martin Bidells who they were before trying to kill them. But the Martin Bidell at the military school, he only had to see him in order to confirm it was a Martin Bidell. If the Terminator can recognize Bidell on sight, why should it need to ask?
Well he did have a name tag...
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quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: No, Derek recognized him. Although that doesn't stop the little kid from becoming important in the future now.
I hope he is. I hate it when shows create throwaway characters that I actually like.
EDIT: I seem to recall feeling frustrated with the first season for creating a few throwaway characters that I liked but now I can't remember any of them. Maybe I'll rewatch the first season when I get back to my house this weekend for a break.
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Yeah, I was pretty sad when I logged on today with no Terminator show to greet me.
From Terminatorsite.com:
quote:Because of baseball playoffs, there will be no new episode off Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles tonight (October 13). Look for the show to return on October 20 with an all-new episode!
Also, I think it's fairly common for shows to have 5 episodes in row or so and then skip a week or two. Among other things, it just pads the season out longer.
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awesome. I was really worried that it would get canceled. At least it has a shot to pick up the ratings in the second half of the season.
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I think it's cool either way. A Terminator going out of her way to raise a child (when she presumably could have staged the death of the child as well) is interesting.
I loved the fight between Cameron and the Crazy-Haired-Chick.
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Just watched last night's show. Holy crap, this is a good show. Time traveling logistics aside, the characters are incredible.
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There's getting to be too many terminators. Pretty soon they are going to supplant the human race by dint of sheer numbers.
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Yeah, this is the first time I actually liked Cromartie. I particularly like that he does KINDA get the smile right at the end. He's memorized exactly 2 seconds worth of smile, which isn't enough to carry on a conversation but if used correctly could be helpful.
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Something I'm confused about: What Terminator is the Jetson woman having the FBI search for? (can't remember either of their names) It seems strange that he isn't mentioning Cromartie to her.
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Oh, there are things that confuse me too. That one included. I'm waiting to see if they make sense in the long run. There's too much that can go on "behind the scene" that I don't dare make predictions about the things that confuse me...
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I trust that it will make sense later. There were a few other plot holes that were filled after I made fun of them so I'm just going to trust the writers.
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How many more episodes in this season will there be--and will the show be picked up for renewal next year? That will have a lot to say about how many plot holes get filled in, and threads tied up.
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Here is recent (Oct. 11, 2008) info from the show's writers:
quote:While the fate of the show past production on episode thirteen is still unclear, FOX has given us the go-ahead to write two more additional episodes for this season — fourteen and fifteen.
We are hard at work writing those episodes and await news of a potential pickup for the full “back nine” (additional episodes to complete the season) in the near future. We’re crossing our fingers (and dotting our i’s) that we’ll have more good news to share with you soon…
quote:Fox announced a dramatically restructured midseason lineup, radically different than the schedule they outlined over the summer. They have revived the Friday night science fiction dumping ground, placing Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles and Joss Whedon’s Dollhouse on that evening, beginning February 13, the beginning of a three-day weekend when viewership tends to drop anyway.
Hope you guys weren't too attached to those shows. Friday nights is where Fox sends non-reality shows to die. For shows with fandom appeal, it's pretty much the kiss of death.
:-*
mwah
quote:The Friday night curse began with the genre-related The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. in 1993 and was following in subsequent years by MANTIS (1994), Strange Luck (1995), VR.5 (1995), Sliders (1996), Millennium (1996), The Visitor (1997), Harsh Realm (1999), Freakylinks (2000), Dark Angel (2000), The Lone Gunmen (2001), John Doe (2003), and Firefly (2003).
Once they established that they use a code on the phone to make sure it's not a Terminator faking their voices (day and month), they should have kept doing it. Why would they stop?
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Yeah, Cromartie learned the original day month code some episodes back. They had to change it.
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What was the point of the parallel storylines following different characters? There wasn't one moment in the show where a scene was reinterpreted to mean something else when seen from a different perspective.
It's like some writer went, "Ooh, this will be SO COOL!" and never understood the purpose of a structure like that.
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quote:What was the point of the parallel storylines following different characters? There wasn't one moment in the show where a scene was reinterpreted to mean something else when seen from a different perspective.
It's like some writer went, "Ooh, this will be SO COOL!" and never understood the purpose of a structure like that.
Yeah, I noticed that too. I don't think there was a point other than they thought it would be a different and interesting way to structure it. I found it slightly jarring but still thought this was a pretty darn good episode... despite that structure really.
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quote:Originally posted by Puppy: What was the point of the parallel storylines following different characters? There wasn't one moment in the show where a scene was reinterpreted to mean something else when seen from a different perspective.
It's like some writer went, "Ooh, this will be SO COOL!" and never understood the purpose of a structure like that.
Puppy, I agree. But I still loved the episode.
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Well, when Sarah was in the trunk the parallel storyline thing was used. But yeah, it was mostly what you said.
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quote:Originally posted by Puppy: What was the point of the parallel storylines following different characters? There wasn't one moment in the show where a scene was reinterpreted to mean something else when seen from a different perspective.
It's like some writer went, "Ooh, this will be SO COOL!" and never understood the purpose of a structure like that.
Puppy, I agree. But I still loved the episode.
Even though I hated the actual movie, it worked for Vantage Point, mainly because you received clues each time a different point of view was introduced. In this episode of Terminator it just did not work, because you pretty much already knew what was happening.
I love the show. I especially like the mystery surrounding Cameron. I still don't know if she is more human than she is letting on. I go over to my parents house to watch it with my father every Monday and always joke with him that I think Cameron has an emotion chip like Data. It almost seems as if she is in love with John.
Then I get this nasty thought that the future John Conner has a robotic sex slave. I need to go get checked out...
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I'm going to miss Cromartie! He was my favorite bad guy. I guess now it will be the T-1000 Irish chick who is the chief baddie.
I would like to see some further explanation of why a terminator showed up who looked like Agent Ellison. Does that mean Ellison has an important role, that becomes known to Skynet in the future?
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My mother (who is Scottish) loves that there's a Terminator who sounds like she's from Edinburgh. Of course, as soon as she came on screen we both looked at each other and said 'She's British, she must be evil'. Posts: 1528 | Registered: Nov 2004
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Ok, so Cromartie didn't actually go rogue, he still went ahead with the mission to kill John. And the Ellison impersonator was after Ellison as Ellison is a friend of John's. So why the heck did Cromartie kill the Ellison impersonator? If he thought that Ellison could lead him to John (that's what he said) he only had to convince Ellison's impersonator to not kill Ellison.
Or maybe the Ellison impersonator was after Ellison because Ellison helps the T-1000, in which case it's John who sent it. But somehow I doubt that that's what happened.
And what about Cameron telling the shrink (in the episode in which she "remembers" she's human and then comes back to reality) that she's going to kill John? Did I imagine that? She's waiting for him to do something before she kills him? It was only a joke? (???)
Aaaaargh! Must stop thinking about this!
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Robo-Ellison was there to kill Ellison. Cromartie killed RE against SkyNets wishes because he believed Ellison would lead him to John. (He said Skynet doesn't belive in you like I do, or something along those lines.)
Cameron was borked. Nothing she said has to be true.
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Maybe Cromartie has gone rogue. He may have another agenda just like the Scottish one does. The fact that his prime directive is to kill John just overrides that.
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quote:Originally posted by Elmer's Glue: Robo-Ellison was there to kill Ellison. Cromartie killed RE against SkyNets wishes because he believed Ellison would lead him to John. (He said Skynet doesn't believe in you like I do, or something along those lines.)
That could be sorted through logical arguments, they're robots after all. To decide that you have to KILL one of Skynet's robots means you already know what Skynet thinks and wants to do, and somehow you trust your own logic more than that of a much more complex system. Seems strange.
quote: Cameron was borked. Nothing she said has to be true.
That's the problem though: when and how did she "un-brake"? We have no way to say when she is or isn't broken. To say her motivations are subject to unseen & seemingly random chip failures means you rob the viewer of any way to make sense of her actions. Also, were Cameron's memories broken too? Did she or did she not kill her human counterpart in order to get to John? From someone who's going to "save humanity" that's not a very humane thing to do. I know, robot = easily to implant false memories and all, but that doesn't explain anything, just lets you choose the version that's convenient for explaining what the writers couldn't explain.
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Maybe Cromartie has gone rogue. He may have another agenda just like the Scottish one does. The fact that his prime directive is to kill John just overrides that.
What we've seen from his agenda is that he wanted to kill John and keep Ellison alive. If the latter is only in order to find John, then that's not a big change in agenda. If, instead, he was in a team with the T-1000, and they're both breakaways from Skynet, and he wanted to keep Ellison alive for the T-1000 too, then we're getting somewhere. Unfortunately there's been no sign of this anywhere. Ellison was spared, then saved by Cromartie so that the show would keep one of its cool characters; that's how it looks to me this far. :shrug:
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While I liked Cromartie, I'm even happier that the show's writers are confident enough to not need to keep him around forever.
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quote:Then I get this nasty thought that the future John Conner has a robotic sex slave. I need to go get checked out...
Well, considering he chose a Summer Glau chassis, the kid has taste.
The show is getting hard to follow in the "who's working for SkyNet" sense. There seems to be several different factions - those working for SkyNet, those working for John, and perhaps those running independent - and we don't know who's who.
I have the strangest feeling that, if Scottish chick did meet up with John, she wouldn't kill him instantly. Her motives are different.
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