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Speaking of which, Nathan, Mack, are you willing to tell us where (not lat/lan, but which Church, or outside or whatever) you're getting married?
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Nathan already knows my house rule of disrespecting the Red Sox. If he does, he sleeps on the couch. Posts: 14745 | Registered: Dec 1999
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I would advise against doing what you are now doing. In fact, I have advised against it.
It would be ridiculously hypocritical of me to pretend to endorse this decision, as I've rather strenuously argued to the contrary whenever the issue has been raised.
However, since you're both set on this course of action, and clearly have anticipated all the possible objections and reservations of those of us in the audience, I want to make clear that my disapproval does not preclude support. I wish you both the best, and would like to emphasize that, should my assistance for some reason become necessary, it will always be available.
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I know I don't know you two as well as some of the others, but I want to wish you both the best for your future together. I hope you have a great wedding day no matter where it is. Take lots and lots of pictures. And, have a wonderful marriage. You two deserve every happiness in the world.
Wow.... 2005 is gonna be another busy year for Jatraqueros.
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So help you both, I had better get more notice on the date and location of your open house.
I hope I'm not speaking too out of turn here, but, Tom, realize that this has been circulating (sans date) since around election day or so and you have no idea what objections didn't make the list. Glad you can be supportive. Posts: 3956 | Registered: Jun 2001
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"Tom, realize that this has been circulating (sans date) since around election day or so and you have no idea what objections didn't make the list."
Perhaps someone does not realize that, although I am openly dismissive of Hatrack gossip, I nevertheless receive enough of that gossip -- unsolicited -- to occasionally remain informed despite my own best efforts to the contrary. If anything, your Election Day bit is considerably pessimistic.
That said, this is the first time it's been mentioned in public at Hatrack, and ergo the first time I'm commenting on it in public at Hatrack.
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That makes sense, Tom. And I DO appreciate you voicing both your concerns and support, and respect that you do so.
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Thanks for taking that so graciously. I really do wish you two all the happiness in the world, too, except for that little bit the rest of us are using. *grin*
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And we can do a swap on that part....it is just that you can't have ALL of it at the same time....
there are others out here who are kinda use to haveing their own share of it, you know.
If you realize that marrage is a beginning and not an ending, that there will be days that aren't perfect, even days where you want to strangle each other, then you are beginning the journey putting the right foot forward.
I love my wife, and marrying her is the best thing I have ever done (to date)...but there are days where I get annoyed or even angry. It isn't even her fault some of the time, but she is always here so she sees parts of me that I am not even aware of sometimes.
I love her, and respect her.....those are two different things, and you both need both to thrive as partners. I have people in my family that I love, but that I don't resect much, and there are people I don't like but that I respect deeply.
In order to be a marraige partner for life you have to have both for each other at all times. You have to be willing to admit when you are wrong, or that you might be wrong. Nothing kills respect for each other than a partner who always assumes he/she is correct, at the expense of the other partner.
I think that you are aware of some of the potential difficulties, and I hope you two will be strong enough to weather the changes that life will inflict upon you.
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Hey, you're going to beat Tony and I (22nd January).
I wish you two a great future together and a very strong marriage.
Mack, I know exactly what you mean about weddings are for families. Especially mothers-in-law.
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You know, it's kind of odd that no-one has suggested I am too young to get married. I'm still fairly young (22) and Tony is older than me (32) but no-one (in either virtual or real life) has raised that as a barrier. I wonder if part of that is that I, as the woman, am younger than my partner - a more 'normal' situation.
Of course, it could also be because of my incredible maturity and Tony's equally incredible immaturity.
quote: Perhaps someone does not realize that, although I am openly dismissive of Hatrack gossip, I nevertheless receive enough of that gossip -- unsolicited -- to occasionally remain informed despite my own best efforts to the contrary.
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8 hours a day is pretty light driving, so your sanity should be fine. Although I would try to up it while the roads are clear, so if you hit snow later in the trip you'll have some extra time.
The question is, are you doing it to get a vehicle and/or Nate's stuff to NH, or to try to save airfare money? If it's the former, I think it's feisable. If it's the later, no matter how expensive the tickets are, it's probably not worth five days on the road.
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Only 8 hours? Egads, why would you do that? Shoot for at least 12 hour days, then at least the torture is over quicker, even if it seems slow. A rough estimate from SLC to NH that I pulled from Mapquest is 37 hours. Three days travelling is better than five in any circumstance.
Remember: You've also got to consider hotel rooms, food, all that other stuff. It's expensive even when you aren't factoring in gas prices.
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Also, consider the fact that this will essentially be your honeymoon, right? And have either of you ever gone on a road trip with someone who's not family? If you have, you will probably remember how often you considered killing that person at a remote truckstop after they changed the station without asking for the umpteenth time. Seriously, driving that far so quickly is STRESSFULL! And you will just be starting your lives together. Why subject yourselves to that kind of pressure so quickly?
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Congratulations and best wishes, Nathan and Jamie! You are one of the few Jatraqueros I've had the pleasure of meeting, Nathan, so you'll always be on my cool list.
Treat each other with the love and respect you both deserve, and make your role as husband or wife your primary driving identity. Be absolutely true to each other. Share the heavy burden of responsibility for the finances and for getting the kids to bed. Be home together as often as possible and never fail have long conversations. That's my unsolicited advice.
I think you'll do fine.
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I HAVE driven cross country...no...down country before. I had a three week long roadtrip just after I graduated from college. So I'm not speaking from inexperience.
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Best wishes, Jamie and Nathan. I wish you all the rest of your years together a soul-deep joy in each other. I pray you will always remember why you fell in love in the first place -- especially after you've done something to significantly annoy each other. More than likely, what was annoying is closely related to the quality you most love. I've found that helps. And I pray that you lose one word from your vocabulary...permanently erradicated from your personal dictionary (I don't need to write it, do I? ), forever replaced with the word "commitment".
Many blessings and a life of love (the best of verbs) together.
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quote:What do you guys think of driving from Utah to NH in January?
(In 5 days, 8 hrs per day)
Good idea or bad idea?
No mack. Hike it. You know you want to.
Starting....NOW! GO!
Anyway, while I am somewhat scared for you two for the exact reasons that T made a point of naming in the first post so that they couldn't be named, and while I can't really support dragging anybody to that hades of an ice state, especially to a home which very well may be subjected to Domino's Pizza on any given evening, I totally support the marriage. Rock on, guys. May your lives be filled with pointy sticks and orange tights galore. Posts: 2292 | Registered: Aug 2003
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I guess I'll have to remedy that. Not sure when I'll next make to somewhere that has really good chocolate. But, hopefully soon. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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(Incidently, leaving Hatrack--quite accidently I might add--for a semester does not help you stay in the loop. I've been perusing threads for the last couple hours, and I'm thoroughly lost. Anything else big I should know about? )
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According to MapQuest, you come right through DesMoines on your way east. If that is true, we would LOVE to meet you there, or even put you up for the night in Radcliffe (1 hour north of Des Moines).
Whatever works best.
Oh wait! I'll be in D.C. unless you delay your departure from SLC... But dkw would drive down to meet you...
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Jamie, obviously your problem with Mormonism and Catholicism is that they're isms. Isms, in my opinion, are not good. A man should not believe in an ism; he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon. "I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me." Smart man.
But then, he was the Walrus. I could be the Walrus - I'd still have to bum rides off of people.
On a serious note, Nathan and Jamie, just remember that age != maturity. They generally correlate, but they're not cause and effect.
As long as you two are compatible and commited to mutual support for your personal and spiritual growth, it won't matter if you're fifteen or fifty when you get hitched.
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I wish joy and blessings for you both - may you be happy, may your marriage bring you much happiness, and may this be a start of a wonderful life together.
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Does this mean that when I beat you at Halo, Super Smash Bros., etc... I have to beat Jamie as well?
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Here's a question that i have to ask as a friend and missionary:
Did you pray about your decision and seek the Lord's guidance? I ask this because marriage isn't something you should go about lightly. I'm not saying you did, but most people don't relize that Heavenly Father loves his children(which is all of us in the spirit), answers prayers and wants the best for His children.
Here's a question as a friend for after the honey moon:
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Alex--we did. (Pray about it. I realized my first post could imply something else).
And.
Too bad you're on your mission. Nathan told me about your childhood deal. Sam is getting a phone call the next day. You're on your mission, and a letter just isn't the same.
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So here's how much of a dunderhead I am. I thought "Oh good 2005! That's an entire year away, we'll all have time to get there and plan and...."
Ok, so it took me a minute! So instead of a year, my brain had to wrap itself around 2 weeks.
But anyway Nathan and Jamie, I want you to know that I love you both a lot and I wish you all the very best. Congrats!!!
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I also wanted to say...on the too young/haven't known each other long enough front.
Wes and I were engaged less than 3 months after we met, married about 16 months after we met and I was 20 at the wedding, 19 at the engagement, and 21 when my daughter was born.
Believe me when I say many, many people thought I was "ruining my life" They are now the same people who say meeting and marrying Wes was the smartest thing I ever did. I agree.
Go and be happy. Love one another, recognize that marriage isn't easy, and there are bound to be hard times ahead, but you can make it through them.
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