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Annie, your comments sound bitter (were you offended by a loud American in Paris? ) and your gross stereotypes make me uncomfortable...and I don't usually notice gross stereotypes.
I've been overseas (meaning Europe) twice and been treated very kindly by everyone I met. I'm sure I'm obviously American, but I didn't encounter any rolled eyes (unless they were behind my back ), and most people were very patient when they realized I needed help and couldn't understand them.
It was the same in Brazil, except that the people approach YOU and ask if you need help if you look the slightest bit perturbed. (And I was even MORE obviously American there.)
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quote: You'll notice you can count them because you can recognize them. They're the ones wearing tshirts with big slogans and pictures, sweatpants and baseball caps.
This is some marvelously subtle circular logic. Americans must be obnoxious because you can notice them because of how obnoxious they are. If there are any Americans at Notre Dame who did learn French, are polite, and dressed respectably, I guess you didn't include THEM in your sample group because you couldn't tell they were american. Just like if I see an asian-looking guy at the mall without at least three cameras he must not be a Japanese tourist.
Tourists acting like stereotypical tourists are not sexy. Students studying abroad or people visiting who are actually interested in the country's culture, are.
Interesting anecdote on obnoxious tourist behaviour: I went to India for 5 weeks on business. On weekends my coworkers would take me to various sites and such in and around Bangalore. At many places, locals going for a scenic hike and Indian vacationers from other parts of the country would approach us and want to get their picture taken with me. Apparently it's very rare for men over there to have long hair, and since I was always wearing sunglasses a lot of people thought I was a rockstar or something. My coworker-guides I thought it funny that the local folks were acting a lot more "touristy" than I was.
quote:This is some marvelously subtle circular logic. Americans must be obnoxious because you can notice them because of how obnoxious they are. If there are any Americans at Notre Dame who did learn French, are polite, and dressed respectably, I guess you didn't include THEM in your sample group because you couldn't tell they were american. Just like if I see an asian-looking guy at the mall without at least three cameras he must not be a Japanese tourist.
Well said. That makes sense.
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quote: Annie, your comments sound bitter (were you offended by a loud American in Paris? [Wink] ) and your gross stereotypes make me uncomfortable...and I don't usually notice gross stereotypes.
Those are not her stereotypes. I've seen, heard and sensed these things in Italy, the Czech Republic, Australia, England, Ireland - and partly in Israel (it seems to me like this nation has a fetish for Americans, though).
The Americans talk relatively loudly in foreign lands; why where I stayed in Italy I could not tell who was German, who was Dutch and who was Scandinavian (amongst the tourists). But the Americans were much more noticable...
I laughed at Annie's post, because it's so true.
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As for Enigmatic's post - I must say that it's true. If a tourist is talking loudly, he or she will probably be either Israeli or American. That's not to say that Americans or Israelis can't be quiet. It's like soccer: if you're a dimwit, you'll probably be a soccer fan rather than other sports, but if you're a soccer fan - rather than other sports' fan - it does not mean you are a dimwit.
So Annie just got the direction a little flawed. But the statistics of stereotyps speak for themselves. I can walk down the street here or be in a shop and the loudest noise will be: "OW MY GAAAD! SOOZIE! LUK AT THIS BUK! IT'S FRAAM THIRDEEN HUNDRED AND SUMTHIN! IT'S OLDER THAN CULUMBES! MY GAAAAD [during the long "a" sound in the last word please note that the pitch becomes that of an unbearable screech that cannot be made into sound except by shocked Americans and extremely talented soprano opera singers.]" (My father actually heard that in a shop locally, and I heard just the "Oh my God!" bit many, many times as the loudest thing around.)
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quote:I don't know, though, if Americans count in becoming sexy and alluring overseas. I think for the most part, Americans piss people off overseas.
quote: Tourists acting like stereotypical tourists are not sexy. Students studying abroad or people visiting who are actually interested in the country's culture, are.
I agree with both those statements. We get a lot of stereotypical (loud, baseballcap&- trackpantswearing) American tourists here, and personally I find them the most annoying of any tourists. That's not to say that I'm one of those people who get irritated by tourists just because they're tourists; in general they're fine, but I certainly find the obnoxious American ones far more annoying than any other kind, even other annoying kinds. If you know what I mean.
But I don't mean to say that all Americans are like that. They're not, however, as exotic as many other cultures, which doesn't add to the whole sexy-and-appealing-foreigner thing. Sorry guys. While we're stereotyping here, I'd just like to mention that Canadians are among the most arrogant people I've ever met. And I'm not just talking about twinky, either. Posts: 69 | Registered: May 2005
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Oh come on, when one has an inferiority complex the size of your average kiwi *everyone* looks arrogant Posts: 3243 | Registered: Apr 2002
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I do not programme. I studied about a third of a year of Pascal and one year of JavaScript (90 minuts a week); and even if I was one of the two best students in the class, it doesn't mean I can programme.
"Break" is not necessarily poor form, it's the best way I know how to cancel the loop from contiuing. I didn't do it for accuracy and proper writing - I did it for the amusement, which you said worked well.
Again, I'm no programmer, and I just know some simple stuff; I think I still have bugs in the programme.
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break's perfectly fine form, its much cleaner than the huge pileup of state saving variables that often appear in its place.
Of course, if one can make a loop without either break or a pileup of state saving variables, one should do so. (edit: for instance, abstract the loop out into a function, and then just use return in the function when its necessary to exit the loop with a particular value).
However, the style's bad for several other reasons -- mainly because the code is for the most part nonsensical (even assuming the parts which would need to be defined elsewhere, are).
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In case the smiley did not make it clear, I was kidding. When one is making a joke, one should not be expected to adhere to the standards of good programming.
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When one makes a joke about someone's joke about bad programming, one should actually reference what bad programming is
Besides, I have programming on the brain, I've been doing dozens of hours a week for a while now, and teaching it for a few hours above and beyond that.
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Of course I over-generalized, and I'm sorry if this came across as mean. But if we're talking about the image that other countries have of us, it is something along those lines.
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quote:Originally posted by Teshi: Jon Boy: England (near Cambridge), moved nine years ago, but the accent still lingers, although it varies wildly depending on whom I'm talking with and what I'm talking about.
Ah. So when I teased you that one time about talking like a limey, I was right! Posts: 9945 | Registered: Sep 2002
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quote:Originally posted by not hansenj: I would totally date hansenj. No question. I think we would even be an "item." And then I am pretty sure we would move in together.
Oh wait....something tells me it's a little late for this plan.
O_o Do I need to call the Honor Code Office on you guys?
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I think that when you're an exception, natives are actually very pleased to meet you. If you make an attempt to speak their language and know enough to adopt a little of the social atmosphere around you, you come across much better.
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Sorry ElJay, that was just smart alec comment #586 today.
I know you wouldn't beat me up.
Annie, I think you're right. I was reminded of this thread in my thread to Kama when she said that the people in Poland admire folks that attempt to speak their language, even if they suck at it. Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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quote: I think that when you're an exception, natives are actually very pleased to meet you. If you make an attempt to speak their language and know enough to adopt a little of the social atmosphere around you, you come across much better.
So that's why the Italians didn't think I was scum! Becaue I was an 8 y.o. who spoke with an Italian accent, ordered food in restaurants in Italian and when I got into trouble I used Latin! Posts: 2978 | Registered: Oct 2004
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Drop me an e-mail if you like... I'm not sure when I talked to you last and it's possible I should update you, a lot. Posts: 3846 | Registered: Apr 2004
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Huh. That would totally be your lose, JH, from what I've seen of Kiwi. Not to mention sounding rather bigoted.
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I think Kiwi rules, but I have to put in an anti-N Aussie joke. Seriously, I'm not bigotted; I just screw-up my posts.
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Is it like the difference between someone from Brooklyn and someone from the Bronx? Brooklyn is on an island, the Bronx is on the continent. Both speak English, kind of, but with a strange accent.
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While many New Yorkers seem to think otherwise, it is generally accepted that the Bronx and Brooklyn are parts of the same country . . .
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I'm reminded of a joke from an Austrailian standup comic (can't remember his name): "We always say that the New Zealanders are shagging sheep. The New Zealanders always say that we're shagging sheep. I think one thing is obvious though, it's those sheep that're the ones sleeping around!"
I've heard lots of jokes about sheep-shaggers, but never that one.
Rivka, I'm sure there are a lot of things Jonathan doesn't know the difference between. (And I'm sure there's a better way to word that, as per Corwin's thread, but I can't think of it right now. >_<)
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See, Jonathan, the thing with jokes is that they're supposed to be funny. Had it been funny, you wouldn't have needed the graphic shorthand, we would have known it was a joke because we would have been laughing.
<- smiley added in an attempt to make post look slightly less bitchy.
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And yes, giveress rivka, I do actually know the difference between Aussies and Kiwis: we thrash them in cricket and rugby !
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Which is why my parents and Hatrack have nothing to do with each other.
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quote:Originally posted by rivka:
quote:Originally posted by Jonathan Howard: *Rolling-eyes.*
And yes, giveress rivka, I do actually know the difference between Aussies and Kiwis: we thrash them in cricket and rugby !
"giveress"? *snicker* You're been hanging around us Ashkenazi-speakers too long.
I am Ashkenazi! Obviously, I don't speak like you lot, but I was just trying to speak your tongue (which kills my teeth, but that's not the issue).
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