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Teshi
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My only proof--Two most important people in the place are having a high level discussion in expensive suits, and Neuro-Tech guy interrupts them, and they don't question him. He gets to dress casual, and seems to be the only one who touches the equipment. Even when Alpha went on a slice and dice spree--he couldn't touch Neuro-Tech guy. That's because of conditioning #1 commandment--thou shall not hurt Neuro-Tech guy.
As much as I like your theory, this could simply be explained as 1) urgent situation 2) it's his technology. For all his youthful appearance, he's obviously their equal in importance.
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The White Whale
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I get the feeling Topher is the Wash of Dollhouse.
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Clive Candy
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quote:
Originally posted by Darth_Mauve:
Plot Conspiracy Theory #Q.

Everyone except Neuro-Tech is an active.

Boss Lady--Active who is created to be the best Boss Lady.

Lead Security--Active who is created to be the best in security.

FBI Agent mindlessly chasing them--is an Active.

Echo's Handler--is an active.

etc. etc.

My only proof--Two most important people in the place are having a high level discussion in expensive suits, and Neuro-Tech guy interrupts them, and they don't question him. He gets to dress casual, and seems to be the only one who touches the equipment. Even when Alpha went on a slice and dice spree--he couldn't touch Neuro-Tech guy. That's because of conditioning #1 commandment--thou shall not hurt Neuro-Tech guy.

This is an interview with a certain actor in the series, and this actor says something that (I think) hints at a plot development you just speculated about.
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quote:
Originally posted by The White Whale:
I get the feeling Topher is the Wash of Dollhouse.

My thoughts exactly.
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quote:
Originally posted by The White Whale:
I get the feeling Topher is the Wash of Dollhouse.

Now, see, a week ago that comment would have made no sense to me. [Big Grin]
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A week ago I made that comment elsewhere.
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For damn sure Wash is not going to be the Wash of this series.
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Wow! That is an interesting casting choice. Very unexpected but I can totally see him pulling it off.
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Speaking of Firefly actors, it was good to see Badger again.
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Clive Candy
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quote:
Originally posted by Shigosei:
Speaking of Firefly actors, it was good to see Badger again.

Too bad he couldn't hide his accent!
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The White Whale
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quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
A week ago I made that comment elsewhere.

Okay, but I wasn't comfortable with the choice until the second episode. Now it's obvious, and I'm okay with it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Shigosei:
Speaking of Firefly actors, it was good to see Badger again.

Have you been watching BSG? He was in an episode just a few weeks ago.
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Sterling
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Am I bad that I think episode 2 is awfully early to be recycling "The Most Dangerous Game"?...
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Noemon
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Yes.

How you're able to look yourself in the mirror after thinking that, I'll never understand.

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The White Whale
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Well, he can't, clearly because he's a vampire. Don't rub salt in the wound.

[Big Grin]

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Or garlic.
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Noemon
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Holy...water we going to do if somebody does go at him with garlic?
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I have no stake in this pun fight.
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Sterling
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Here comes the sun, and I say... AIIIGHHHH! *FWOOSH*
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Lisa
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Y'all slay me.
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Noemon
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I'm relieved that you think it's funny, Lisa--I was worried you'd be cross.
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Scott R
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Puns suck.
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*runs away smoking*
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Yeah, I guess he was just in BSG again. Which is also amusing, given that it's Helo he's talking to.
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Scott: bite me.
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Noemon
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Porter, I just want to say that I really appreciate your being so vocal about the fact that you're not happy about Scott's attitude in this thread. With regard to policing his actions, you're really in the van. Hell, sing your protests and they wouldn't be any clearer or more ringing than they are now.
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(That one took me a while.)
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Noemon
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It was pretty tortured, I admit. I'm glad that I could count on you to take the time to parse it.
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quote:
Originally posted by Sterling:
Here comes the sun, and I say... AIIIGHHHH! *FWOOSH*

By the way, to give credit where credit is due, I laughed aloud when I read this.
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quote:
I get the feeling Topher is the Wash of Dollhouse.
Oh never.

Wash was a technician, but had an innocence and a zen that was very powerful. His wife was the one that carried the gun. He wouldn't hurt a fly.

Besides, it was the story of Rugged Individualism VS State Sponsored Control.

Topher is more than willing to carry a gun. He has no moral center--one of the most sociopathic characters on TV.

Besides, it is the story of the dangers of science dehumanizing man, and he is the literal dehumanizer.

Wash brought a humanity to Sereity, the ship.
Topher takes the humanity of Echo, the person.

Not the same.

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quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
It was pretty tortured, I admit. I'm glad that I could count on you to take the time to parse it.

It reminded me of a previous construction of yours where we learned that the Thick Cheesy always discharges its debts.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the blonde guy with snazzy outfits who likes to make comedic one-liners and has a odd mix of childlike humor and a mature comprehension of the seriousness of his situation. And I imagine an interesting part of Dollhouse will be how Topher develops a moral center. The whole thing with Alpha clearly shows that he doesn't have the control he pretends to, and at some point he'll have to deal with that.

In the meantime, he'll make jokes and make me laugh.

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Snazzy outfits? Wash wore a flight suit with Hawaiian shirts over them.
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quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
quote:
Originally posted by Noemon:
It was pretty tortured, I admit. I'm glad that I could count on you to take the time to parse it.

It reminded me of a previous construction of yours where we learned that the Thick Cheesy always discharges its debts.
:: laugh :: I'd forgotten about that.
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It haunts me to this day.
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Noemon
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:D
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eesh. New Yorker absolutely brutalized this show with their initial review.
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Noemon
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Link?
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http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2009/03/02/090302crte_television_franklin?currentPage=1

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Now, with “Dollhouse,” Whedon is back on Fox, and the second time is probably not the charm. Only people who are willing to cut Whedon endless slack could find anything much to draw them in to this show, at least in the three episodes I’ve seen. So far, the vision, humor, and storytelling skill you’d expect to find are absent, and at the core of the series is an unpromising performance by Eliza Dushku (from “Buffy” and “Angel”).
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the primary qualification that Dushku brings to the part is that she graduated with honors from the Royal Academy of Cleavage. In terms of gender studies, it is notable that Dushku’s demeanor as a zombie is much the same as the demeanor many actresses her age resort to when trying to project an image of themselves as unthreatening and “feminine”: a slouchy walk, a bobbly head, and ever-parted lips. Would someone please show these actresses a movie starring Katharine Hepburn, Barbara Stanwyck, Irene Dunne, Bette Davis, Cate Blanchett, Meryl Streep, or Judy Davis? Whedon wants to explore the farthest corners of our natures to discover what it means to be human. But this vehicle, which he created specifically for Dushku, doesn’t seem fit for the journey.

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Thanks!

And...ouch.

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I personally love bad reviews. All they do is drum up interest while simultaneously setting the bar low. Thank you, New Yorker!
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Oh, and JT's music sucks!
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El JT de Spang
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Preach it, brother!
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quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
Scott: bite me.

Well, how old are you?
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He prefers his meat unblemished by puberty. Or even a birthday.
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quote:
...the vision, humor, and storytelling skill you’d expect to find are absent....
Much as I find in the New Yorker. [Wink]
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Hooray, more Amy Acker tonight! I liked it when Topher said she and Boyd could get married and have scowly babies.
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quote:
Originally posted by Fyfe:
For damn sure Wash is not going to be the Wash of this series.

So he turned in to a Reaver.

"I am like a leaf in the..." *** STAB! SLICE! EVISCERATE! STAB! ***

[ February 28, 2009, 12:53 AM: Message edited by: Nighthawk ]

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Well, I still like it, despite the fact that the music of the last episode is not really my type. [Big Grin]

So, in the end, Echo and Sierra were still remembering something, weren't they? I guess the genius isn't that much of a genius...

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Yeah, I think Topher is still a genius, but even he's in over his head.

I didn't really like the plot, with divas and arrogant singers and obsessive fans, but I'm happy that the show shifts from theme to theme. I hope never to see those singers / dancers again.

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