quote: Here's the problem with Ender: it's a cop-out. It's like Metallica naming an album "Metallica." It's done so you know what you're getting, kind of like those generic boxes of corn flakes.
Well, that is pretty much the point of what Mr. Card suggested isn't it? This is why he requested that "Ender" be in the title.
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Coming in a bit late, so maybe these have already been mentioned, but: Ender's Youth (refers to both himself and Achilles II, maybe?) Ender: Hearer of the Living (hee hee, so that doesn't really sound good . . . ) Ender's Interlude The Beginning of the Ender Bridge of Enders
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People have been talking about putting it so like a transiton from Ender becoming Andrew so here are two titles that may have been suggested that I am suggesting now.
From Ender to Andrew Ender meets Andrew
okay. Yeah. O and that whole list of all the titles. that's crazy. Gj.
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quote:People have been talking about putting it so like a transiton from Ender becoming Andrew so here are two titles that may have been suggested that I am suggesting now.
From Ender to Andrew Ender meets Andrew
No offense, but those both sound like the title of some sort of homsexual love story to me... Posts: 1569 | Registered: Dec 2004
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Here's what I'm thinking. Let's say that Ender some how becomes the teacher of Randi's son (nobody knows that he's Ender the Xenocide), and this is where he starts his teaching carrier jumping from world to world. Somehow he realizes who this kid is and his potential and the story could somehow work around that along with the crazy Randi lady. So considering this one title you could have is Ender's Pupil or Ender the teacher. The reason for this title is I remember when Ender first meets Mazer. There's the dialogue where Mazer tells Ender that up till now Ender didn't have a proper teacher. On Eros it's their way for an older student to take a new student and together they battle untill the pupil is ready for another teacher. And of course one of my favorite lines is when he says "I am your enemy, I am your teacher." He says something like that. I've thought of millions of ways this story could work out. Really glad you're doing another book though.
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Avicus, the problem I see with your idea is simply, what would Ender actually have to teach the kid? At this point he's not even a Speaker yet. He's only been trained in warfare, and since Ender isn't exactly proud of his reputation as a commander, I doubt that he'd want to train anybody to be like him.
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neo-d - It wouldn't be a matter of training the child to be like Ender. Ender never teaches anyone like that. When he was on Trondheim he was teaching Philosophy I think or something like it. He's a good teacher in that he can help you find yourself. That's what he could do for the child. He will be drilled from birth to believe that Ender, Peter, and Bean are bad and "Ashilleez" is a saint (spelled that way on purpose). He/she will have Bean's intelligence but that doesn't make it any less succeptible to being manipulated. Ender would be able to help in freeing the kid of the trauma his/her mother is going to put him/her through. The more I think about it I don't see any other way for the story to go unless the kid is able to break free him/her self or the kid repeats "ashilleeez" path and winds up getting shot in the head for screwing with the wrong guy.
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Since we haven’t heard from OSC on the board for a while, let’s hope he has started to work on his new book! Posts: 333 | Registered: Feb 2002
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I was thinkingh about the title, and for the slight double entoundra (sic). If somebody else posted it I am sorry for the repeat, but I think the new book should be called Ender's Heel. It will deal with ender and Achilles II. A heel is also a despicable person which either could be Achilles Two or ender since he is now hated due to the hive queen book. It could also mean ender's weakness or flaw since he is an epic hero.
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My bad, Avicus. You're right. For some reason I totally forgot about him teaching on Trondheim.
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neo- No need to apologize. I have a weird memory when it comes to books. What do you think of my idea though? It sounds good in my head, but what about yours?
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Is it just me or did the topic for the Jeesh member of the colont dissparear or am i toired... i'v been looking for the last 25 min..
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How're these for titles? A bit late admittedly:
Andrew Wiggin Ender's Light Ender: The Redeemer (reeks too much of UT to me though)
I was a big fan of "The Ender" earlier on the discussion forum. The favorite of mine though, of course, is Andrew Wiggin.
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I'm not a fan of Ender's name being in the title at all, since this is a book about a situation set in a unique time period, and the books from the end of Ender's life (as Ender) have their own unique titles. The situation seems to involve a continuance of the Shadow series, so a Shadow title would make more sense, maybe "Shadow of the Father" (but I'm kind of getting tired of that, too). If it had a unique name I'd go with "Exiles."
I understand the marketability of Ender's name. I'm sure he'll be a major factor in such a story. I was hoping Bean would make it in there since it is his child, unless you had a seperate story line planned for him. Bean versus his own son. That would make it the most difficult conflict. But having Bean and Ender operate in the same space where both are finally perspective characters on the same pages might be too powerful for one book, since their characters are so strong, unless they had their own conflict somehow.
But I'm rambling in an area that I probably shouldn't. I suppose I should contribute an Ender title. How about "Ender's Will," not a last will and testiment, but the struggle to oppose the son of his dear friend.
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Enders the Prodigy Ender Ending Ender's expedidition The journey of Ender Ender's equilibrium The Era of Ender Ender's Final Fight Ender's final Joust The Dilemna of Ender Ender's Destiny Enders epilogue
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Ender's Company Ender and the three Jewels (Her sister valentine, the hive queen, and her new companion jane) Ender's Absence on Earth Earth without Ender Ender Left Earth Ender's Persues New Life Outside Ender Beyond Ender's Companions Fellowship of Ender Ender inbetween Galaxies Ender between Planets Ender's Interstellar Exploration Ender's Galaxy Travel Ender's Journey through Planets Ender in search of a new Home
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The Ender Horror Show: Traveling at relativistic speeds is kind like a timewarp, dontcha think?
Enderspell: Crowds of worshipfull hippies follow Ender around reanacting passages from The Hive Queen and the Hegemon in cartoonish voices. They tie him to a fence at the end.
My Fair Ender: Ender learns to talk like a real boy. "Eh" and "neh" are painfully extracted from his vocabulary. He goes to the All-Galactic Powerfull People Convention where he is mistaken for Peter, which makes him cry and throw shoes.
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If the book will include or mention anything about Armenia, then I'd like to point out that there is a quote about an Armenian planet in SFtD
"It takes time to schedule a starship, Ender."
"Are there any orbiting Trondheim?"
"Half a dozen, of course, but only one that could be ready to go tomorrow, and it has a load of skrika for the luxury trade on Cyrillia and Armenia."
Just pointing this out because "Mr.Card! Mr.Card! Mr.Card!" said that he might like a mention of Armenia in the title.
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Ocean's Ender: Ender begins going by the name "Andrew Ocean" and uses his reputation as SFtD to steal a messenger ship.
Ender: The Armenian Connection: Ender finds out about a Heroin shipment destined for his planet from the Armenian colony, intercepts it only to find a clever double cross by none other than Bean
Ender Madison: Since Ender never had a real formal education beyond battle school, he decides to enroll in an elementary school. Hilarity ensues.
50 First Enders: Ender takes a sharp blow to the head that prevents him from remembering anything for more than a day.
Citizen Ender: Actually, I think this is a good title, but you know.
Full Metal Ender: Ender lands on a world populated by Vietnamese in the middle of a bloody war with American colonists.
Grumpy Old Ender: Bean (as an old man for his condition) and Ender go ice fishing, play practical jokes on each other.
And a few more suggestions that are blatant..erm..borrowings from other tales: I, Wiggin Dr. Strangebean The Good, The Bad, The Ender Baby Got Ender Three Beans and an Ender Valentine and Ender go to White Castle
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EDIT: I already suggested the White Castle one.
Ender Moves Ender's Sushi Bar Ender Doesn't Live Here Anymore Ender Cashes In Ender's Cat Can Eat A Whole Watermelon Make Room For Ender Ender Invents the Internet Ender's Lost Shoe Ender’s Picnic Ender’s Weekend Trip Weekend At Ender’s Uncle Ender’s Steakhouse Ender Looses His Luggage Ender Looses His Groceries Ender Looses It Once and For All
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Hey, since this thread is ridiculously long, I have started an "online list" if you will, of the reasonable titles suggested so far. It is not done yet, but will be updated as fast as I can compile all of these titles and sort through them. By Monday, it should look better (as good as anything hosted by Expage can look)
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Oh sorry if this has been used but I just thought of another good one. Ender's ashamed. or Ender's abashed. or r's remorse. or varations.
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The only criteria for reasonable I use is: 1. Has "Ender" in it. 2. Is not a joke title or movie ripoff 3. Is not confusable with other Enderverse books I'm really doing this more for fun than anything else. It's interesting to look through all of the different ideas. Please don't take the list too seriously.
I mostly wanted to get it up so people wouldn't have to look through the whole 14 pages of this thread to see if the title they want to post has already been suggested. But it'll be a while until it's updated to the point of where the thread is now. I'm also considering adding pages for titles where members have provided reasons why their title should be selected.
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