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I only read the first 10 pages or so of this thread, so I'm sorry if this has been suggested before...
... but why not just call it "Ender Wiggin"? I assume it will probably be a book where he "stops" being "Ender the Xenocide" which is a role he was forced into, and starts becoming himself, Andrew wiggin, so combining his two identities should work. And I think it sounds less stupid (although there has been some suggestions that I liked) than "Ender's <insert thing here>" or "Ender <doing/being something>".
Well, I just think my suggestion makes sense... in "Ender's Game" he was Ender, in "Speaker for the Dead" he was Speaker for the Dead, so in between those two be should get a chance to just be Wiggin with his sister poor kid never having a childhood *sniff*
(First post, I know, but not a real newbie, my account just seems to have been deleted since i haven't used it in a long time, mostly lurker, not much of a poster)
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I just finished reading Shadow of the Giant. It was good, but it left me with a few questions at the end.
Maybe this new book can tie some other loose ends.
Alot of OSC Ender books mention the Hive Queen and the Hegimon, and there are supposed to be like scriputre. I would like to know what is in them that makes them so important to those characters. Maybe he could actually have Valenting write them in this novel and add the text of them.
Also I would like to know the history and the reasonings of the buggers of their invasions, and why they werent so bad or different after all.
What happens to the other battleschoolers in thier colonies, AND most of all BEAN. Maybe Ender could hook up with Bean the Giant, Bean could live on a planet with lower gravity so the Giantness wouldn't bee so bad on them, and they would live longer. Call it Planet of the Giants. and then in the end Beans child, (who is totally ruthless growing up and supposedly Achillies son from the misunderstanding of his mother Randi), would find out that he is really Beans instead of Achillies son. Maybe arbitrarily Bean could be the leader of the colony, sent there because they needed one, and they found out that Beans cild is in that colony.
Ender could also visit all the other battleschoolers as well in thier various colonies.
As for a name for the new book Enders Achillese Ender the Travelor
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Ender and the Beanstalk Xenophile Preamble Postamble Achilles Gift Achilles Race Children of Earth's (Promise, Hope)
Did anyone ever connect the "giant" in the training game with the "giant" that Bean finally becomes? I just thought of it, and it was months ago I read the last book.
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I must say I'm very fond of Ender's Claim, has a beautiful ring to it...unlike Ender's Juxtaposition, lol, and Ender's Sorrow, as well. A suggestion from me, umm...Ender's Doorway.
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the title of the book, per Mr. Card, must have the name Ender in the title, unless that has changed since last I read this topic. :wallbash:
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Not sure if it was brought up in the 17 pages worth of posts but I will risk repeating it, but since Bean went off on a starship at FTL, is there a chance that he and the child of the woman who went off into space will have an encounter? I do believe that this is actually his own child be she is under the impression that she is doing this for Achilles.
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Help with the another language. It is not necessery everybody to understand the word just use it. Ender: TRETAK (I dont know what is the origanal word in english for the third child).
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A lot of the title suggestions seem to miss the point that Bean's child is on the planet. Plus, the child has the same genetic problem as Bean, so if he's going to be a giant! Randi is going to have raised him thinking he's Achilles' child, so she's going to have inculcated in him a love of Achilles AND a hatred of Ender, plus power ambitions. If one of the jeesh is ruler of the planet, then the child is going to challenge him for leadership. Maybe Ender can come and rescue the planet from the 'evil giant'. Is a cure going to be found for Bean? Maybe at the end Bean can stop and collect his son to take him back to Earth for the cure. Then Bean and Ender get to meet one more time. A suggested title, Ender and the Giant, or Ender's Giant?
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Not so much a hatred of Ender as a hatred of Bean. And from what I've read, Bean will not make an appearance in this book.
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How about- -Ender: Speaker For the Living -Ender Speaks For the Living -Ender: For Us (They)the Living -(thanks Robert Heinelin) -Ender and the living -Ender and all our favorites who are still alive. -Ender Metamorphasis
As to my first suggested title. In the story that ends up being writen, Ender may or may not find out that he has met Bean's son, but he can still help Randall learn a lot more about himself than Randi would have taught him, perhaps he could even help Randi, herself change. In fact he could do it without any of them ever knowing the true identities of the others. How neat would it be if the next great villan that wasn't realy a villan had their book written about them... before they died. It might even help prevent a few deaths.
Alas it would be helpful to know a little more of the story in order to come up with a more appropriate title. Unfortuantly knowing too much tends to ruin the supprize when the book does come out. Fortunatly when the story is done there are all of these hundreds of titles for Mr. Card to look though till he finds the perfect fit. Posts: 9 | Registered: Jun 2005
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Fortunately? Ha! I'd tend to think that it would seem unfortunate to have to sift through so many posts.
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I dunno if anyone reads this thread anymore but...
quote:Originally posted by The Great Bilby: Ender of Life
This one really got me thinking. It would be so cool if in that new book, in a cruel twist of fate, Ender now became the villain.
The book that started it all, Ender's Game, left Ender as a broken soldier. He goes from that to a very tame middle aged man in the 2nd volume of his series. What if at some point during that transition something inside him snaps and he lashes out (possibly during his rebellious teens) as a result of being that broken soldier, but ultimately becomes the individual people read about in Speaker for the Dead? Wise and fully experienced on both sides of the battlefield.
It would be the perfect in for Valentine. Ender saves world. Peter saves world. Valentine saves Ender...from himself. That would nicely compliment whichever Jeesh member is heading up the colony as well, having to face "The Ender" of the new world; every Jeesh member's worst nightmare sprung to life. It could also be as a result of walking in the enemy's shoes that in the end Ender can better understand the buggers to write about the Hive Queen and the Hedgemon...but I digress.
Rather than having Randi change her inverted perception of who did what, this chance meeting with Ender would only further lead her to believe in Achilles as the true hero. It could open up so many different scenarios as to the character development of Bean's 9th, be it good or bad.
I dunno, it's just a thought I had.. I don't claim to remember the series with perfect clarity so if there's something amiss, please flame away I don't have a title to add myself. I really liked the above quoted one.
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Why not stick with the idea Mr. Card had in the first post, only instead of Ender Voyaging, how about "Ender's Voyage"
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Or variations of for that matter: Ender and the Giant's child Ender and the Giant's spawn Ender: Stolen Giant
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If this novel is be set between Ender's first colony experience, when he has already written The Hive Queen and The Hegemon and before he becomes a Speaker for the Dead, he is still coming to grips with what he has done in Ender's Game.
I suggest something along the lines of:
Ender- A Journey Toward Redemption
Ender- A Path Toward Redemption
Ender's Redemption
This novel would mark the beginning of a journey. The woman and her child from Shadow of the Giant could have significance that sends Ender on his path to become a Speaker for the Dead and his ultimately redemption.
The fact that the child from Shadow of the Giant is a product of Bean and his wife could have some significance for Ender and provide an interesting plot point to explore.
Even if Jane hasn't come into existence at the time this book is set, it may please long-time fans and possibly tease new readers to somehow include glimpses into his future. This will tie the books together nicely and provide a way to peak the interest of new readers to want to explore the earlier Ender works.
Just my 2 cents...
I suggested this to Tom - another novel that actually features Ender when he's still young, before he met Jane, and WAY before Speaker for the Dead. (Of course Valentine is in it, too!) And this interesting character and her child have enormous potential for an interesting story involving Ender and Vale
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Ooo I think I like Ender of Life better than Ender In Exile (I was never too big of a fan of this one) or even better than Ender Adrift (I like that one a lot too).
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For the Ender sequel I really, really like the name "Ender's Flight" best.
For the Shadow series sequel I'm really intrigued with the possibilities. If it's a "post-Children of the Mind" book, and it includes Bean or his children, then that would imply that they survive during the intervening 3000 years. How cool would it be if they spent those millenia out exploring the far reaches of space?
And I had a thought. I'm not sure how the timing of it works out, but what if Bean and/or his kids actually created the descolada virus as the solution to their "condition". (They needed something that could "rewrite" their DNA to eliminate the fatal effects of their giantism.) What if the descolada planet that was discovered at the end of Children of the Mind was actually "created" by Bean as a testing ground for this new virus, and what if Lusitania was either an earlier failed test, or else a later colony of the descolada race after the virus becomes intelligent and self-aware?
Anyway, I don't remember if there was something in the Speaker series that implies that the descolada came to Lusitania further back than 3000 years (in which case this scenario wouldn't work) but if not, then it would be conceivable for the descolada to actually have been a cure created by Bean and his super-genius children.
Just a thought, I can't wait till these books actually come out to see what OSC actually does with the story.
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not really sure what could be a good title with some idea of what is in store. but i thought these would make for a funny titles
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Maybe Ender's Journey? Since it will probably be the first time Ender has had to deal alot with a Child that has problems, that would be like a journey as well as him beginning his 3000 year journey to Lusitania and a family
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Ender and the Bean Stalk Ender of the Giant
Ender's Night Ender for Measure Taming of the Giant
Perhaps if we knew which member of the jeesh will be in the book it would effect the name possibilities? What the name of the planet would be? (The Ender of Venice) sorry about by Shakespeare sidetrack.
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Just finished Shadow of the Giant today. Can't wait to read this next book with Ender, Valentine, and Bean's kid.
My first title suggestion: Ender's Friend (edit: which I see now was already suggested. lol. sorry).
Why that?
Well I think its assumed that Ender is going to go up against Bean's kid (that they'll fight). What I think might be cooler though is if Ender and Bean's kid become friends. Maybe at first they don't get along and then slowly, they become friends. I don't think Ender has ever had a friend (unless you count Jane later on), so it would be cool to give him one.
Of course, Bean's kid and Ender come upon a really bad enemy of some sort and Ender and Bean's kid have to defeat it (or maybe Ender finds out about Bean's kid's condition and the struggle of the book is to find the cure. Or maybe thats just the sub-plot. Though I think it might be a little ironic if they did find the cure and saved Bean's kid. Of course, they'd have no way of telling Bean most likely. Who knows, maybe Ender wouldn't even find out the kid had been Beans!).
Anyway, thats my idea for the novel. I don't know. OSC prob has a much better idea in mind.
If not, how about 'The Shadow of Ender'? I think someone might have mentioned that one though. Just put me down for a second vote on that if so.
Or another possibly, " Ender's Redemption" (another one someone prob mentioned, but its a good one, imo) or " Ender and the Shadow of Bean " or " Ender and the Shadow of Achilles".
Or " Ender's Last Game " (edit: I didn't see this one suggested. maybe I missed it. might not be a bad idea though).
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this just came to me, Ender Revisited (if some has already said that then my bad for taking it, just dont remember if someone did)
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I actually had thought about putting that, but I just wasn't sure about that title. Its not bad. Its certainly shorter then some of the other titles I mentioned. I don't know. Maybe 'Ender's Achilles Heel" ? Hmm.
Personally, at the moment, I like " Ender's Last Game" out of mine, I also like " Ender Adrift", and "Ender's Redemption".
Though, it might be good to have something with 'shadow' in the title since the book is connected to Shadow of the Giant. Hmm. I don't know.
I'm sure OSC will come up with a great title though.
And an even better story! Can't wait!
DF2506 " Its too bad Jane won't be in it nor will the Speaking. Still, I think it'll be a great book. Ender, Valentine, and Bean's kid. Plus maybe another member of the Jeesh. It would be really cool if maybe Ender actually met up with one of his old Jeesh! "
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Oddly enough, i don't think i saw anyone mention "Ender's Giant" assuming Bean Jr. has the affliction. Apologies if this was already brought up. 17 pages is alot.
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I really like the simple title "Ender Wiggin" that DrAbraham and who knows who else suggested. I think anything else feels too contrived, too forced. "Ender Wiggin" is simple and powerful for those who know and love him
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"don't think Ender's Junction is much better. Maybe Ender's Bind?"~rivka
*singing* Ender's junction what's your function, destorying sentient species' and flying off into space at sub-light speeds to escape the ravages of time and in turn save other alien beings from certain doom...
ok not as good as school house rock
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...in which we learn of Andrew Wiggin's transformation from a normal every day child war genius to a caped crusader bent on stopping crime to help him cope with the death of his parents...
it practically writes itself
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I'm glad you're writing a new book Mr. Card, though I may need to catch up on the rest of the Ender series before it is actually finished.
How could we really come up with a suitable title without reading a good chunk of the story beforehand? I forget the exact book,(It was either Shadow of the Hegemon or Enders Shadow,)but you mentioned that you changed the title from what it was originally going to be after you had finished writing it, because you didn't think the original suited the story as well. (Someone please correct me if i'm totally wrong. I'm pulling this from memory )
Well, again, I am a huge fan of your work Mr. Card, and i'm sure that whatever the title, it will be great.
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