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Ahhhhhh! What or who hit Sayid? I loved this episode and Taalcon, I watched for they eye thing and it was there! I love this show to bits!
I love Locke, too. He's so cool.
*happy*
There is only one possibility for Sayid's assailant: someone else on the island not from their plane crash. Which is good news for the tranciever and bad news for our group.
This island is pretty magic, eh? Just when Charlie conquers himself, escape is offered. Locke's convincingness makes me think that when he came face to face with the THING he learnt something that the rest of them don't know.
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It was nice to see slime-ball Sawyer pull through when he needed to, I didn't think he was going to. And the ditzy girl, too. Looks like next weeks episode is centered around Sawyer, so maybe we get to see what makes him such a slime bucket.
I LOVE that there are enough characters in this show that it takes a while to get to know them all. I didn't really think that Charlie was going to do much more than babble about his stupid band and look good. I'm glad i was pleasantly surprised. Dom is a pretty good actor, it's nice to see him as something other than comic relief or eye candy. Not that i'm objecting to the eye candy.
1. Sayid was a torturer?! I was shocked but I'm glad that they gave him a chance to redeem himself. 2. I guess we saw why Sawyer is why he is but he's still a terrible person. 3. I loved the Claire/Charlie Peanut Butter thing. I really like their relationship. I have a feeling that Claire's baby might also help "heal" Sawyer.
Scenes from Next week: I'm terrified. Absolutely terrified. The inrony is wonderful though, that in order to escape his past as a torturer and murderer, Sayid is tortured himself.
Is this the French woman with the message or someone else gone mad with the waiting. Why does she have electricity and devices useful for torture apparantly already set up?
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Yeah, this episode rocked. I want to see what they do with Sawyer's character real bad now - redemption for him would give me a big 'ol happy.
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"Sayid was a torturer?! I was shocked but I'm glad that they gave him a chance to redeem himself."
I loved the the line
"I thought you were a communications officer"
"Part of my training was getting people to communicate"
LOL
I really can't stand Sawyer...I was hoping that it was the end of him when he got stabbed. I have a feeling that he will end up with the girl now.
Also, who gets tortured just so he can make out with a girl? Sure, she is amazingly gorgeous...but getting tortured? Thats a bit much.
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I think his defiant behavior stems from all the assuming the "better" people keep doing. What's his face (Mr. Pretty Eyes) assumed that Sawyer had the meds because he had the book, and everyone else assumed Mr. Pretty Eyes was right because they all already hate Sawyer. But, I think that if any one of them had simply asked nicely whether or not he had the meds, he might have actually been nice about it. Of course, there's no drama in that. I contend that Sawyer is not a terrible person. Just a tortured person who has done terrible things. I think redemption is in the cards at some point. (I also want him and Kate to hook up, but that's just because I've been reading a lot of smut lately.)
*and I'm back in my cage*
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Okay, I have a hunch how the first season is going to end. Granted, I've only seen parts of the pilot, but here it is, anyway:
The season will end with all the remaining characters managing to the leave the Island and returning to civilization...only to find everything deserted.
Suddenly, the term "lost" takes on a whole new meaning.
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Sa'id rocks. I hope they don't kill him off. My guess is that one of the big guys will be killed off; I vote for the prissy girl's brother, as he's just annoying. Or the Korean girl.
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I thought they should keep Sawyer from getting any water when he came to the caves. After all, possession is 9/10ths of the law.
My opinion of Jack changed knowing that he was OK with the torture. He did stop it, but he let it start. It's a good thing. Perfect people don't exist and Jack shouldn't be the perfect guy.
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Am I the only one who thinks Locke was the one who hit Sayid? Why has no one questioned the whole "he used a cigarette as a timer so he could beat up Sayid?" Seems weird to me.
Also, when did we decide Sayid was a torturer? Did I miss something? My husband was in "communications" in the army. He never tortured anyone.
And just so's y'all know, this might be a sneak peak at what Sayid's background story is.
quote: In 1995, several military officers of the al-Dulaymi tribe from western Iraq staged a coup attempt in May. Hussein tortured and executed the participants, then returned their mutilated bodies to their kinsmen. In response, a Republican Guard battalion led by outraged al-Dulaymi military officers attacked the Iraqi prison at Abu Gharayb. Two loyal Republican Guard brigades defeated the rebels, but Hussein was disturbed by the fact that some of his normally loyal Republican Guards had turned against him. A purge of the Republican Guards followed in July.
Remember, not much is what it seems on this island.
As for Sawyer, he wants to be punished, if not killed. He hates himself and will do anything to make sure everyone else holds him in contempt, too.
Personally, I spent the hour trying to decide if I'd kill him or force him to live as his punishment. I think he wants to die, therefore, I wouldn't want him dead. But, he's such an ass, everyone would be better off without him.
I don't understand why everyone let's him get away with it. They should have killed him the first time they caught him hoarding stuff.
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I thought the conversation occurred right after discussing making Sawyer talk.
Also, when Sawyer told Sayed that he didn't think he had ever actually tortured someone, Sayed replied, "Unfortunately for you and for me, that is not true."
Judging from the previews for next week, there is obviously someone else on the island. That may be who hit Sayed.
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Gyah!! I have got to stop reading this. It's downloading as we speak, and I can't wait to go home and watch it.
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Well I'm going from the fact that he knew pretty darned well how to torture people and didn't let it bother him and therefore is a torturer. Seems conclusive to me.
quote: My husband was in "communications" in the army. He never tortured anyone.
Your husband, I'm assuming, wasn't in the Republican Guard.
Is it Sayid or Sa'id? Or can it be both? I didn't know so I wrote it phonetically.
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I really hate that I like this show so much. Like I really needed another "must see" show. That makes, let's see, four now. This must stop. Posts: 2454 | Registered: Jan 2003
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It wasn't one of the plane crash survivors who hit Sayid - there are other people on the island. I think it's the French woman from the broadcast.
Sawyer is an amazing actor - the look on his face when he realized that he had a son and he was about to do to his son what (real) Sawyer did to his family. It blew me away. I wonder what his real name is.
The creators have said that at least 1 major character will be killed off this season. I think it'll be Kate.
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I have asthma, and trust me, I really felt bad for the poor girl. I can only imagine the hell it would be to be permanatly without my medication, and I wouldn't bat an eye at torturing someone to get it back.
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I love this show now. I am addicted...and I cant wait to see the next one. I guess we'll probably hear Sied's (Sayed or however you spell it) side of the story since it looks like he is gonna be the focus of next week...maybe. I CAN'T WAIT!
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quote:Why has no one questioned the whole "he used a cigarette as a timer so he could beat up Sayid?" Seems weird to me.
Watch the movie "Stalag 17." That was probably the movie that Locke was referring to when he said "anyone who has seen the movies..." For those that don't know, this was the somewhat more serious take on prisoners of war from WW2 that would become the television hit "Hogan's Heroes." I think.
Anyway, this is a show about redemption plain and simple. Sawyer almost was able to let it go and purge himself of age-old guilt. Very cool. I agree that Locke is the likely culprit smacking Sayid on the head...he is the only one who thinks he might lose out if they are rescued...namely, his ability to walk. The trap that caught Said looks like the one used to get the boars and Locke created those. Locke went from creepy stranger to wise man and to me at least back to potential scary guy. I don't think they are going to introduce new characters until a bit more time is spent introducing the current cast.
I love that this show is slowly paced, quietly revealing each character vs. rushing the search and rescue plot. Wonderful! Why on earth does it lead into such horrible drivel, though? Or is this the only good show on this network? Well, lucky us, though. If it was on Fox they would have cancelled it by now.
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quote:I have asthma, and trust me, I really felt bad for the poor girl. I can only imagine the hell it would be to be permanatly without my medication, and I wouldn't bat an eye at torturing someone to get it back.
Oh, believe me, I felt horrible for her. I have three children that have different degrees of Asthma. It's one of my nightmares to be somewhere without access to medication. It's hard for me to watch when scenarios like this are shown.
If they found Eucalyptus leaves so easily on this island, they apparently didn't make it very far from the Land of Oz. Then again, they've come across a Polar Bear, so I'd expect anything to show up on this island.
As bad as Sawyer acts, I still can't get around the fact that he is very easy on the eyes!
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I think Sawyer's deal is that he's being the bad guy, because it is honestly the only role he knows how to play. Somewhere in his past he learned that the only way to not be the victim was to do unto others first.
Locke, well, I sure don't want to see him become the bad guy. I really don't think he has it in him.
My bet is that the one who whacked Sayid is one of the characters that hasn't been fully developed yet. It would be a natural lead in.
Can't wait to hear the story on the overweight guy. He's been in the storyline quite a bit, but hasn't developed yet.
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I thought that one of the creators said in an early interview that not all of the people on the beach were survivors of the plane crash. So far we have seen most of the people on the plane or in the airport.
However, we never did see Sawyer on the plane or the airport.
We have not seen the big guy yet either.
As to the leaves the Korean lady found. Have you noticed how they seem to find things that they need. I wonder what the cost is going to be.
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I think the ones we have seen so far are from the airplane. I would think they would be making a bigger stink if they just appeared on the island! My thought on the "not all from the airplane" is that there are others on the island, survivors of others crashes or similar situations. It seems this island has been doing its thing for quite some time (based on the bodies in the cave).
As for not showing everyone on the plane...I think the show is a metaphor for escape and running from problems but the plane doesn't have to be the biggest part of it. I think it is cool that they are coming to grips with the reality that they shouldn't have survived the crash at all based on how it went down.
I wonder why they haven't deal with or had more of the odd critters since the beginning? We had a polar bear (a wimpy one...not many handguns could take down a bear of any stripe) and what apparently was Godzilla or a T-Rex or something. It was stomping around at the beginning and freaking people out and now only some niggling twigs snapping from time to time when someone wanders through the forest. Has there been a big critter sighting since Locke looked eye to eye with one?
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I think as someone said earlier that if they play up Monster-land TOO much, that's all the show's going to be about. I'd much rather have the amazing character development that we have now instead of a critter every week.
And besides, how often does a critter that big need to eat, anyway? It munched up the pilot, so it might be full for a few days.
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It didn't so much gobble up the pilot as gore him to death and then leave him suspended on tree branches, still pretty much in tact. So i'm guessing the big guy is still pretty hungry.
I just gotta say, though, that it seems like Locke is now connected to this island, in a way that almost makes him like...it's mouthpiece. He has this eerie aura of omniscience about him -- for instance, it seemed pretty clear to me that Locke *knew* something about Sayid's past as a torturer -- which is why he instigated him into getting mad at Sawyer, which led Sayid to torture and then try to kill Sawyer, which led to Sayid then needing a spiritual journey to map out the island. Seems like the island is using Locke to carry out its wishes.
Also, my initial thought was that the island was sort of a magical place that, for want of a better phrase "cures what ails ya"...hence Locke's miracle. But since the blonde girl still has asthma -- it can't be that. So my new theory is that Locke was chosen by the island to be healed and thus an instant convert to its creepy way of healing people mentally...or something...
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The theory my family has been kicking around is that the monster became locke the last time we saw it. That way the monster/island can interact with the castaways as a human. Another thing that we have been kicking around is when sayeed said that the french distress call had been going for 60 years. 60 years ago i don't think they had automated distress calls or voice synthesisers. Maybe they are in the future and the island has resurected them a couple of times. Maybe they set up the distress call and bodies they found were there own from that last time they were resurected. My speculations usually turn out to be wrong, but i keep trying.
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16 years -- they definitely say 16. It's funny that your whole family misheard it, though. Usually there's one person who hears the alternative...*ponders* i find that really interesting, actually.
I love your Monster=Locke theory, though
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I don't think it would really be that hard for some of the people on the beach to not be from the plane. After all, how many times have you or I memorized all the faces sitting in our section of a plane or other mode of public transportation, so that we would know by sight five minutes after we got off the plane (or other vehcile) exactly which folks in the terminal were on it with us or not on it? Add in the confusion that would be inherent in surviving (or seeming to survive, for those of you who think they didn't) a catastrophe of that sort, and it would seem to me that sneaking a few others into the crowd wouldn't be that difficult.
Also...I, too, think it is possible that Locke made some kind of accomodation with, or was "possessed" by the island/the thing on the island when he saw it. Remember that line, that he had "looked into the heart of the island, and it was beautiful". Something happened there. I thought at the time that it was an unusual choice of words.
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The seemingly bad science of this show turned me off at first. I'm really glad I gave it another chance. Personally, I think they're on a holodeck. It seems like any time they think about something, it happens. Ex, Charlie in the cave declaring himself a rock god just before the cave in. Or the moth motif.
As for last night, do we need to fear for Sayid's sanity now that he's hearing the whispers, too? And what has Alex been doing all this time alone on the island avoiding his crazy mother? Where did that wire go, anyway? Is she plugged in to the mainland? Now I'm just praying the writers aren't idiots who will undo all the wonderfulness of the characters with bad science or cheesy plot twists.
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I knew that I recognized her. I just couldn't place her.
She must be getting supplies from somewhere other than the electricity. I don't think sedatives like she shot Sayed up with would still be good after 16 years. I've never had a light bulb last 16 years either. Of course, I might just be too picky.
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I just saw it for the first time last night and, while I found it entertaining, my main complaint is that the people on the island are way too clean and presentable. If they've been on the island for anything more than a couple days, their hair and clothes are going to be very disheveled and dirty.
On that note, the makeup on the actors really needs to be toned waaay down or just done away with completely. It's really making it hard for me to get into the show.
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quote: If they've been on the island for anything more than a couple days, their hair and clothes are going to be very disheveled and dirty.
If I were stranded on an island I don't think I'd be that dirty. I'd have disheveled and very faded clothes maybe, but not dirty. My hair on the other hand, would look like very scary dreadlocks if I were stranded with just sea water to wash it and no conditioner. *shudders*
So what are those voices in the forest?
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They have fresh water from a waterfall and probably found shampoo in some of the recovered luggage. Wouldn't you want to look your best when the rescue ship comes?
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So, was it Alex that wacked Sayid on the back on the noodle a week ago?
The golf game was great. My only complaint was with the boy and his father taking a step backwards. I had thought that dad had made some ground in the whole parenting thing but it looks like Locke is going to be the surrogate dad again.
I was on an island out of contact with the real world for a week with no amenities. A bit of soap and a giant hunk of fresh water does wonders. I would think that with tons of free clothing all over the place and as noted soap and shampoo all would be well at least initially. The make up was a good point, though. I thought the same thing. The ladies look a bit made up still and while there is no doubt make up around I would think that would be a bit above the "just stop being stinky" bit.
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They haven't been on the island for that long - not even 2 weeks, I think. I read somewhere that this season will only cover the first month after the crash.
I love the relationship between Sawyer and Kate, even thought I'm still rooting for Jack and Kate.
The golf game was brilliant. I love Hurley.
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I was so shaken up by the episode and the "disease" that Danielle was going on about that I couldn't even bump the thread to continue the discussion.
I'm worried. I'm beginning to believe that Locke is somehow "possessed" although that that entails is yet to be determined. Danielle made it sound pretty deadly and frightening. I wonder if Alex is still on the island. I even wonder if the "disease" actually exists or whether Danielle just thought it existed.
I wish we had seen what Locke saw.
I really liked Sayid's backstory. I like Sayid in general as a person, he seems to be a very hoopy frood to steal an expression.
I enjoyed the golf game- the lightheartedness of it took away some of the tension for me that often makes it very difficult for me to watch very tense television or movies. They got the balance right and both plots were interesting enough so I wasn't waiting to get back to the other plot.
I hate it whenever Kate looks at Sawyer that way. He's such a slimeball.
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