quote:I don't agree that they have 'their place', as in a rightful place in the community. But short of shooting them all you can do is ignore them and hope they go away.
An irritant can increase the host organism's robustness, or even result in the production of something beautiful. Despite the distain I feel for people who play the game Bean Counter has been dabbling in, I recognize that the threads they start often end up being quite successful and thought provoking.
quote:An irritant can increase the host organism's robustness, or even result in the production of something beautiful. Despite the distain I feel for people who play the game Bean Counter has been dabbling in, I recognize that the threads they start often end up being quite successful and thought provoking.
I'm dubious. I think that, as Hatrackers are fully capable of having successful, thought-provoking discussions sans butt-munches like BC, if you don't need them for such conversations then why have the little creeps around?
I actually think the times when we are least successful are when we encourage their thinly veiled attempts at discord by posting in their threads.
But I know that you speak from generosity, of which I have little for punks like that. So, I can't fault your opinion. You're just much nicer than I am. Posts: 7600 | Registered: Jan 2001
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First of all, celia, you're not clever, you're *evil*. Like Ralphie's rack, that is a Hatrack given.
Second of all, I want to see these pictures of hot, sweaty Bok. Make it so.
Thirdly, rivka isn't the Hatrack Matriarch, kacard is. But rivka can be the Hatrack Auntie. (I loves me some rivka *hugs*)
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I don't think that n00b-ness is something that can be measured. I've known some completely civil n00bs...
It's just something that can only be measured by connection to the community and the amount of time one spends here... Like Rivka, she joined a month before I, but she has a stronger base in the community because, well.. SHE NEVER LEAVES.
I don't remember who mentioned feeling like a n00b even though one is not... I think it's less feeling like a n00b and more feeling out of place or worried or saying something stupid accidentally. Since n00b is a new word, its meaning doesn't necessarily have a 1 to 1 correspondance for everyone. I mean, I personally couldn't say I ever feel like a n00b here, just because this is my internet home, but I often feel unsure of myself, or that I don't understand something, or like I've done/said something stupid. (shrug)
As near as I can tell, the people we could call the derogatory term "n00b" don't feel any such feeling at all, so I guess it's not a perfect description of the feeling.
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Ahh, thanks for the linky, Ralphie, I'd forgotten about those. *VBG*
hot.sweaty.bok.
I'm trying to think of which actor he reminds me of (I can see him clearly in my mind), but the name escapes me. Ah well. It's the guy on Judging Amy who is the brother. Delicious!
I'm too lazy to look for the madowl photos right now, maybe later.
Do Not Tell Celia she is clever. It will bring on a spate of clownphotos (the most clever thing she has done, as far as I am concerned), and nobody wants that! Posts: 1545 | Registered: May 2002
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Know what's sad? I almost feel like too much of a newbie to post in this thread, but I know I'm not. My Foobonic pictures have been made fun of far too many times for that to be the case.
Well, until recently Hatchat wasn't a bad place to sort out the newbies; now it just seems cruel to keep it alive any longer. Bastaders... Oh man that was classic.
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Oh, her avatar on GreNME is quite evil and clever, yes, but the clown stuff was *classic*. Now stop talking about her, you will summon the Evil One!
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Oh come now people, I'll grant that celia may well be clever and all, but evil... She's no more an evil aspect of Hatrack than tooth decay is of a candy store.
By the way celia, did we ever declare a ceasefire? And if so, have I broken it yet?
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The tequila for Steve and half of my birthday present were pretty evil, so you aren't that out of practice. AJ
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I think we've been at a cease fire since that rather humiliating mafia game where you decided to be my knight in shining armor. I'm not sure if that's because suddenly I got a little crush on you or because you went and graduated and are never on AIM anymore so we just haven't crossed paths.
Wait, I always had a crush on you.
I thought of you when I was lost in Huntsville, but that was the week after you were there if this is the year you were there. Or were you there and did you swap around the road signs so I took the wronge exit on the parkway?
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Yeah, the Mafia game was the reason I conceeded clever without a fight. But considering I got selected and killed by the SK in the only other game I played, look how far paling up with a Mafioso got me.
Alas, I was not in Huntsville this (or last) year. You were fooled by the sign-switches of some random person. Possibly even an Alabaman.
Feyd Baron, DoC
And I wonder if AJ remembers the Bastader reference...
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no problem, bev, I let Christopher watch homestarrunner *shame*. I'll probably let him watch this one, too, if he should be in the room when I am playing them (I totally bookmarked it! *grin*). I have let him watch the muffin ones by the same artist. Oh, and of course Punk Kittens and Viking Kittens. I want him to be a punk rocker when he grows up, so I can live vicariously through him.
I know the birthday gift was, but that was a small evil granted to me by providence and not a large elaborate trap involving minions of any sort.
edit: lol, me being drunk does level the playing field for you, bastader. and you as doc with me as townie would have been grand if the board hadn't killed us all.
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bev: I know. Hehe. I remember hiding under the covers with my little radio so I could clandestinely listen to the Dr. Demento show. *grin*
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I've been reading posts and threads ridiculously more than I ever thought I would, and I'm still learning all kinds of things. There is definitely a ton of inside stuff that you have to pick up or figure out because there aren't any explanations anywhere. (It's almost embarrassing, how long it took me to figure out what a Jatraquero is, lol.) I think that that stuff makes the forum a lot more worthwhile though. Posts: 119 | Registered: Oct 2004
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quote: I don't remember who mentioned feeling like a n00b even though one is not... I think it's less feeling like a n00b and more feeling out of place or worried or saying something stupid accidentally. Since n00b is a new word, its meaning doesn't necessarily have a 1 to 1 correspondance for everyone. I mean, I personally couldn't say I ever feel like a n00b here, just because this is my internet home, but I often feel unsure of myself, or that I don't understand something, or like I've done/said something stupid. (shrug)
This is exactly what I wanted to say. I feel very left out at hatrack. On the one hand I love it because it's very interesting and I love learning about people and their lives. On the other hand though, it's more like I'm reading a novel than participating in a community, I just sort of watch other people being part of the community.
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Man, I have heard so many people say stuff like that. My friend, Nate, who was here for awhile as Intelligence3, left for a very similar reason... he left like there was an "in" crowd and if you weren't part of it, people didn't respond to you.
I very much felt that way until I went to KamaCon and met a lot of people in person. I don't know if the change was due to more of the "in" crowd knowing me, or if I was more outgoing and posted more after meeting people, or some combination thereof. So I don't know what to tell people who feel that way. But it makes me sad that people I consider part of the community (I'm talking to both of you, Ryuko and blacwolve) don't feel like part of it themselves.
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Nobody should feel like that, but I am very, very confident when I say that that isn't how you're percieved by anyone else. You're part of Bloomington, you're real, you're very contributing, and heck, OSC has responded to you! That's more than most of the so-called oldies.
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It does remind me a little of the Beautiful People in Dallas, though. Despite the fact that I've been friends with them for a year, and despite being on the committees, organizing things, having in jokes, and being invited to most things, I still don't feel part of it. I don't know why, but then, the first two nights of KamaCon I went to bed early because I felt a little out of place and didn't know where/if I fit in anywhere. Maybe most people feel like that often/sometimes?
Added: Dagnabbit, I3 left? But he was so funny!
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He is very funny. And he might come back, he didn't say it was for good. *shrug* But yeah, he both felt not particularly welcome, and then there were a couple of meta-threads about hatrack that he felt reinforced the exclusiveness attitude.
If you make it for the henna party, you can probably meet him. He's hilarious in person.
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I worry about the metathreads and the welcomeness sometimes. There's such a definite culture that it does seem hard to break into - not on purpose, and not out of anything like snobbishness, but you have to be determined and sometimes it may not be worth it.
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I know I felt that way for the first year or two that I was posting. I think part of it is that the community is so big that it’s easy to get lost in the shuffle. And it can take a long time to feel like you’ve been noticed, unless you do something spectacularly memorable.
Heck this whole “wedding” thing is really just a ruse because Bob and I wanted more Hatrack attention.
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Yeah. I know it's not on purpose, and I think the metathreads have their value. But since we all like each other so much, it makes it daunting for new people. (Like I said, I felt that way, and I had the "in" of being dkw's sister.)
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Is there anything we can do about that? Anne Kate, bless her heart, was the reason I think I didn't feel that way at first, but she can't be everywhere. I remember when she started posting less - I'd been on Hatrack for over a year and almost left then because I was so terrified of posting here by myself.
My method of getting noticed was, I think, to pick fights with Tom Davidson. I watch newbies do the same thing now and I CAN'T BELIEVE I WAS SO UNORIGINAL AND OBVIOUS. *sigh*
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*shrug* I don't know that there's anything we can do. I will try to get Nate to come in here and explain how he felt, like he told it to me, since I'm sure I'm not doing it justice.
I think part of it is feeling secure in your place at hatrack. That's something that comes with time, and the question becomes if it's worth it to people to put that time in.
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Honestly, I think most of us see large parts of Hatrack happening without our participation; the forum is just too large for a person to take part in everything (particularly the stuff that involves physical gathering). That doesn't mean that one is left out of hatrack, it just means hatrack is large and full of stuff.
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