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I think their costuming and production departments didn't get the lion's share of the budget. The hummer wasn't the only thing, they wouldn't wear ties.
But coming up with production design for an entire branch of civilization that broke off sometime around the sinking of Atlantis would be expensive. So would building custom ground vehicles. They seem to keep the focus on things that matter to us more, the plotting, the effects, and the action.
Lots of good firefights. 8)
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no. 6, the designs you see are actually considered deliberate. Mr. Moore himself has said that he has kept many contemporary Earth forms in the show for two reasons. The first was to keep a continuity with our real life human culture so the veiwers can more easily identify with the Colonists. The second reason is related to your second paragraph, minus the expense. Creating a whole entire branch of civilization was too frought with artistic dangers. It was best to keep it somewhat credible instead of risk making it look incredably stupid.
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Does anyone think either Adama will actually bite the dust next week (as indicated in the trailer)? I'm guessing no.....
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It does, doesn't it Bryan? I sincerely doubt that Adama will bite it next week, but one of the great things about this show is that you really can't be sure. They do a stunningly good job of keeping me guessing.
I'm guessing that Sharon was talking about a father and son other than Adama and Apollo, or that her dialog was taken out of context, but you never know.
Occasional, that was my take on it as well. I'm surprised at how well the use of anachronism works.
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Calaban and mackillian on the "when did fiction last make you cry" thread, talked about scenes from tonight's (Friday night's) episode before tonight. Are you guys not from the US and maybe get them earlier? Or is it really on earlier and I'm missing something?
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Six's imitation of Starbuck was, for the most part, spot on. I was quite impressed. I'm very glad the fleet is back together, I'm glad neither Adama was shot, and I'm glad Zarek lost his crazy man.
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Oh, good. So it sounds like the August 26 episode had some good things happen? I have it taped, but I was afraid to watch it last night.
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Yet another episode that was better than the last, if not a little predictable with the way the whole Sharon thing worked out. The characters are what make this show so great, though, and the development between Adama and everyone else was fantastic, and very emotional.
Now that they know the direction to Earth, though, I hope the show doesn't lose it's focus; it's been so much better this season so far, I hope it keeps up.
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I'm in the US. I was referring to the first season...at least, I think. It IS the first season DVD set, though is the UK version.
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I just love this show! I was mad last week when SG viewers choice preemtped it. I was pretty shocked to when Eloshia died.
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I got a message from my old roommate who went to ComicCon (and I believe she saw the BSG panel, but I'm not entirely sure... I know I told her she had to go, but seeing as she'd not seen the show, I had my doubts... am I still in parentheses?), and she was excited to see that Starbuck and "that guy" finally kissed. And now she's pumped to buy the DVDs.
I love how the show sucks people in.
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Did you guys see last night's episode?!!? Well... we know another Cylon model... just six more to go. And now ALL the Cylons know about Sharron and her baby if they didn't know already. Did you see Number Six's reaction!!
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They gave up quite a bit more information about how and why cylons attack and transmit information back and forth. You had to listen for it, but watching that part a couple times does a fan-good.
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Ha, I couldn't see the time at the break for the fourth act, so I thought I was in for a week of delicious BSG satisfaction when they ended on Ellen bound and gagged (gagged is the important part) and Tigh getting hit over the head... stupid fourth act!
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Did anyone else geek out when the soundtrack for the final documentary contained the theme for the original Galactica? I haven't heard any references to that theme since the early 'flyby' scene in the Miniseries.
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Yea, I had a total geek out when I heard the original theme song play.... I try to be calm, cool, and collected but this show just keeps me so emotionally involved I can't help myself!
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Add me to that list of geekyness. I was grinning from ear to ear listening to that music. I used to watch BG the Original Series when I was a kid. I'd sit there in my bean bag chair humming the theme song.
When SciFi first came out with the mini-series, I refused to watch it because I hated the idea of changing the show. I loved the campyness of the old show. Then I started watching the new series, and it was filled with everything I love about stories -- good characters with complicated relationships and intriguing storylines with good twists (things I am not alone in liking here at Hatrack). I even try to make it a point to watch the rerun of the night to see if I missed anything from the first time through.
Darn it all... I need to get the first season on dvd.
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Carrie.... I was more than misty-eyed. It was seeing the name on the ship that broke the flood-gates. Knowing what's to come for the president. Why isn't BG's finale two hours long? And yet, I bet their finale will answer all the questions needed and present new storylines for season 3 better in one hour than any that takes two hours. It's just good writing and good actors.
Ah... and Season 1 comes out on dvd on Sept. 20th. Can't wait for that one.
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I find this season much more enjoyable than the first one. I was seriously contemplating not watching the show anymore. Last Season was boring, sexually explicit, and sometimes extremely violent. This season has been much more emotional and thought provoking and, relatively speaking, toned down. They saved themself at least one fan.
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Something interesting about the last episode: did you see the blood-spatter when the Colonial pilots are (rather gratiuitously) killing the cylon fighters? Notice Sharon's expression?
TVG said that we're going to get an episode later this season from the cylon point of view-- and that humans "won't look good." That might be a lead-up to it.
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Yay.. that was cool when we saw the entrails of the Cylon fighters. Kind of a payback for the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and their Fleet. I don't mind them finding joy in the destruction of the enemy ships... these things destroyed their civilization and are trying to snuff Humanity from the Universe.
I would think though that they would have captured those hyper-advanced FTL jump engines instead of destroying them. Oh well. Maybe the tech is not compatable.
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*comes stumbling in blindly in case of spoilers*
I've started watching Battlestar Galactica and I'm quite enjoying it. I'm at episode 3, season one, not counting the miniseries thing (the last one I saw was "Bastille Day").
I like the intensity of it. It seems like a lot happens in every episode and a lot of things are going on at once. Everyone has enough of a story or a tension that I'm never without something to be frightened about or something to think about. Since I watch tv very actively (meaning I'm always trying to anticipate what's going to happen next) this is good for me.
I expect to catch up with real time watching in a couple of weeks!
quote:Why isn't BG's finale two hours long? And yet, I bet their finale will answer all the questions needed and present new storylines for season 3 better in one hour than any that takes two hours.
This week is the 'Summer' Finale, not the 'Season' Finale. There's going to be a little break before the second half of the season starts up again.
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We have to wait till January? They certainly do the scheduling oddly. Does anybody know how many episodes will air once it starts up again?
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Damn, that was a good finale. Maybe a little too manipulative, though. I mean, they kinda went out of their way to make most of the characters from the Pegasus absolute jerks. Aside from that, though....what a cliffhanger!
We have to wait till January for new eps?! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for how many more eps this season, I believe there were supposed to be 20 for season two, so I guess there are 10 or 11 left.
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- "Welcome back to the colonial fleet?" Cain's got an ego problem. In her mind she is the fleet.
- interesting. With Six, we once again see apparent Cylon horror at human actions.
- hmm, another ship from the old show. I hope the episode involving it doesn't work the same way, though...
- Cain's got a point. Things have really broken down on this ship.
- ...and yeah, so Pegasus folk are sleazy.
- So where were the Marines when Tyrol and Helo ran in?
- Gaius Baltar: Vice President. Scientist. Cylon Expert. Shrink.
- Cain? A fair trial, with one of her officers dead? I don't think so.
- Now there's the Adama I remember.
- This reminds me of Ariel from Firefly: "You mess with my crew, you mess with me" sort of thing.
- Hey, standoff.
- Really like the music for this episode; especially this piece at the very end.
- what? it ends already?
Some thoughts: I really hope that that guy from Peg who took a look at the Blackbird didn't do something to its insides. And I'm hoping they'll think twice before firing on their own.
I was like, Madam President, go to the Quorum, promote Adama or something. You are the COMMANDER IN CHEIF. You can have whoever she wants as fleet commander.
Of course... the real power now is in the military. The old civilization and the Articles of Colonization are barely holding on to life. True, they did get stronger with the conclusion of "Home" 1 & 2, but still... Laura's power was a gift from the military/Adama.
But if something endures, it usually becomes stronger... if the civilian authority is recognized by the majority and the longer it survives, the more power it will get.
The problem is that the Pegasus is probably stronger. Cain could do a coup against Roslyn and no one could stop her. But...will she really fight back against Adama? If she fights back, the Human race could be utterly wiped out in the crossfire. If she doesn't, she's lost some power to Adama. But when you think about it, she's might have already lost...because she's fighting a war for a people who don't exist anymore. The Colonies are gone. The only reasons to fight are those in the 60 or so surviving ships.
As for the Cylons... they obviously led the Pegasus to the Galactica. And we know that the Cylons are much stronger than Humans. How strong? And are all the Cylons models that strong or just a few models? How deeply are they playing Humanity? In "Flesh and Bone" we almost cheer the torture of Leobin by Starbuck for the death of 50 billion people. Now the show makes us feel horror at the rape of a Cylon.
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quote: I mean, they kinda went out of their way to make most of the characters from the Pegasus absolute jerks.
I was thinking about that, but then I thought about how Adama first reacted after the Cylon attack during the miniseries. Adama was incredibly combative and wanted to go after the Cylons. He didn't because he knew that his more important role was that of protector for the last of humanity. So the two crews evolved very differently. One became more and more combative as they devoted their lives to destroying a genocidal enemy. The other became more and more compassionate as it tried to temper military life to the needs of the civilians it was bound to protect. While personalities certainly make a difference, I think that Galactica would be far less lovable had it evolved under the circumstances that Pegasus did.
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I swiped this from another BSG forum. Very cool.
quote:Adama’s options…
1. Blast each other to smithereens 2. Instigate a mutiny within the Pegasus 3. Have the president remove Adm. Cain from her position 4. Cripple the Pegasus with a virus or damage their ability to jump, then have the fleet jump without the her. 5. Get their men back, and jump the hell out of the system like the Pegasus was Cylon ship.
Now let’s discuss these options a bit:
Blasting each other to smithereens: Cain’s fleet is on mission and has only her reserve fighters. Nonetheless Battlestar Galactica is still underpowered and overall at best an even match. Is it worth blowing each other to smithereens? This should be a last resort if no other option is possible. It will leave the fleet defenseless, and the Galactica likely dead.
Instigate a mutiny: Cain is a bad egg and I’m sure she has put other bad eggs like herself in powerful positions. Adm Cain probably did execute her XO and her new XO was so afraid that he’d be next that he said he was “just kidding” to the Col. Many of Cain’s crew members probably want her gone (such as their former XO). If Adama and friends could find some way of supporting the inner contempt within her ship, she may get killed or removed by her own people.
Have the president remove her from authority: If she could be removed from authority, by perhaps some one of higher authority ****cooopresuuugghhdent***. Or perhaps if her crew saw that the Galactica and the rest of the remaining humans didn’t want her in authority they would stand up against her, or at least refuse to follow her. Adama has weight with the president. This entire time Cain has been using her position within the chain of command to push Adama and his crew around (even her own crew). Why doesn’t Adama use his best friend the President? If the President ordered Adm. Cain to resign (which a president can) and she refused then her crew has no legal duty to her. If the entire fleet doesn’t want her and if she has had her authority legally removed, the only thing that would keep them in line with her is their love for her....which means she's "dogmeat pal". The President and Adama combined hold the loyalty of all the fleet. Is every member on the Pegasus willing to destroy all of humanity to “save humanity”? The essence of worldly power is loyalty from the majority.
Cripple the Pegasus: Killing the Pegasus’ crew isn’t necessary, as I’m sure it’s just Cain and some of her henchmen that need to be removed.
Get their men, and get out: One of the better options. Go in, get the men, order Apollo home, and the fleet to prep for jump. Treat the Pegasus like a Cylon and elude them too. They are a threat to the decency and wellbeing of humanity, and a fine example as to why the Cylons came to destroy mankind.
What if the humans returned the Cylon prisoners? This is really just an idea. If the Cylons knew that Dr. Baltar loved Six, and that he had a “fundamental change”, would they be willing to destroy all of humanity? “They have a plan.” Is it to bring humans into the love of their god? Are they trying to get a Cylon and human to love and procreate to symbolize the union between child and parent?
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Telp: I'm betting that the story the XO of the pegasus told Ty was true. You saw the look, and how he said this is going to spiral out of control very quickly.
The XO is ready to crack already and go to Adama's side. With just his observance of Giaus' interaction with the Admiral, and 'correcting' response to the prisoner's treatment you can see that he really doesn't want to be in the position he is in, and wants to be lead by someone that isn't completely insane. (Shooting your XO in the head because he defies an order is insanity and will only cause fear, which is apparently how she leads anyways.)
quote: I mean, they kinda went out of their way to make most of the characters from the Pegasus absolute jerks.
I was thinking about that, but then I thought about how Adama first reacted after the Cylon attack during the miniseries. Adama was incredibly combative and wanted to go after the Cylons. He didn't because he knew that his more important role was that of protector for the last of humanity. So the two crews evolved very differently. One became more and more combative as they devoted their lives to destroying a genocidal enemy. The other became more and more compassionate as it tried to temper military life to the needs of the civilians it was bound to protect. While personalities certainly make a difference, I think that Galactica would be far less lovable had it evolved under the circumstances that Pegasus did.
Great point, you've convinced me.
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I really do wonder about the Cylons. They're after the humans, but at the same time, it's like they're trying to evolve to become human.
Is Galactica Boomer on her own agenda, much like Baltar is on his?
Was Six's reaction to her corporeal body manipulative or real?
*sigh* I dunno. For some awful reason, I like Six now. I used to hate her. Now I'm not so sure.
Was Boomer's saving the ship from the virus manipulation to get into the good graces of the Galactica or part of her own agenda and saving her own ass?
And how is the Pegasus not getting shut down by the Cylon weapon that fries the networked computers of the newer Colony ships?
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quote: And how is the Pegasus not getting shut down by the Cylon weapon that fries the networked computers of the newer Colony ships?
Because they were shut down at the Scorpion ShipYards for that three month overhaul...that or the CNP wasn't installed yet, was going to be put in during that same overhaul. Baltar said during the pilot that the CNP was in 95% of the Fleet. So some ships didn't have it yet. Peggy must have been one.
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