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Ah, I thought so. So, although Sayid has attempted (but not completed) a circuit of the island, and Locke has tramped all over portions of it, no one has made a complete survey. I don't know, I think I would make that a priority before taking off in a dinky raft. Or, perhaps, I would still build the raft, but use it to sail along the coast and make a kind of survey that way.
I keep thinking of some old movie or TV show where people who thought they were shipwrecked on a desert island were actually only a short distance from a major resort. Boy, did they feel stupid when they found out. Not that I think that will happen here, but I would still want to know some basic information about the "island."
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Something is definitely fishy about the Island. Right back in part 2 of the pilot, it was established that there was a distress signal playing for 16 years without an answer.
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Wow, Jin was injured? I saw him dive in after Sawyer, but didn't realize that he'd been hit.
My original theory was that Rousseau just wanted the baby and she made up all that crap about the others just so they'd be afraid of the black smoke. Totally shot down. The others must exist.
Other thoughts:
1) Whoever said that Lock might have known about the 'underground' because of what he saw in the hatch window might be right. He did seem awfully willing to be sucked under.
2) Why does the monster make mechanical noises like a chain and gear? Did we SEE that monster? Is he just that black smoke?
3) Why does Jack insist on putting himself in danger when he's the doctor? He has a serious hero complex.
4) I too felt like Hurley actually has GOOD luck and that good luck was trying to keep him off the plane. He seems to be one of the only ones that doesn't have major baggage/issues and he possibly wasn't 'brought' there like the rest of them supposedly were.
5) Didn't you love "Who the hell is Hugo and why is he giving his mother $160,000?"
6)Rousseau is extremely creepy and she makes me very nervous. She's still very dangerous in my opinion. Why are they all ok with the fact that she knocked Sayid on the head and held him captive? Even Sayid is ok with it! And now that Claire has memory of scratching her sometime during her captivity...I just hope they're not stupid enough to pat her on the head and say "Oh, poor crazy lady. We have to be nice to her."
7) This wasn't as cliffy as I was expecting. I expected to be slavering for a resolution and I wasn't. I couldn't bring myself to care very much about the hatch or even 'The Others.' The only mildly irritating thing is those three guys swimming around in the ocean without a raft and two of them with bullet wounds.
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No, I don't think Jin was shot. But when he hurled himself into the water after Sawyer, and wasn't seen again, I got a bad feeling about him. I don't know why -- there's really nothing to base it on.
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I know, but doesn't he realize that when he risks his life, he's effectively risking the lives of everyone on the island? They need him!! He should know that. Kate is definitely more expendable than him.
And what's that "I need you to have my back?" He was being annoying in that whole sequence. I don't have a huge love for Locke either, but I don't think that Jack should start forming alliances already.
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quote: I don't have a huge love for Locke either, but I don't think that Jack should start forming alliances already
Obviously you've never been stranded on a deserted island before. That's actually the first thing you do. Don't you watch Survivor? Posts: 9871 | Registered: Aug 2001
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"I'm voting off Locke. You're a decent guy, and you played the game well. But your little secrets...well, and the fact that you're crazy... make me feel that it'll be better for all of us if you're out of this tribe. Bye, buddy."
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I still like Locke. He is obssessed by his love and gratitude to the island for making him feel whole and necessary, but I don't think that he is crazy. His biggest flaw is that his concern for his fellow castaways is secondary to his attraction to the island, but that doesn't mean that he will willingly kill his fellow castaways. (Obviously, I don't believe he intended Boone's death.)
Kate is the one that squicks me out right now. Her mother fears her and she keeps using deception to accomplish thoroughly self indulgent ends that endanger those around her.
If we have to vote someone off, I'd boot Kate.
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I think that a big part of next season's story will revolve around Locke and Jack competing for power. In fact, they might get back to the whole "split camp" idea again. It was clear in their discussions that they were having a hard time listening to each other.
I loved Artz and his speech about "the other 40 survivors" who are somewhat envious of the "main group" which has formed a sort of "in crowd." Very funny. Until he blew up, that is.
I think we won't be surprised by the fact that the raft and crew are probably within close proximity to the island...I don't think the island gives up its people that easily. Things get sucked to it, not just planes as we have seen with the Black Rock.
I don't think they will kill Jin off that quickly (though the actor jokes in an interview he thought he would be the first to go). Maybe they will have their own separate story for a while as they land on another portion of the island.
I loved that we have now "seen" the monster...it was all pretty literally smoke and mirrors. Cool! I think the grabby thingy is something different. I like the mechanical sound of it. I wonder if it will be some Jules Verne-esque old timey science fiction device. It just had a "steam punk" feel to it. Doesn't feel modern at all. I think Locke was scared of it at first because it was clearly man-made vs. some holy or spirtual beast of nature to be worshiped. I liked when he finally realized that it wasn't something natural and he turned and made hasty retreat.
Did the Lost producers get to keep the show in Hawaii? That would be a huge switch if they had to film it in the US. I think that type of terrain and foliage is tough to replicate on the mainland.
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But didn't Locke see the "monster" early in the series? I remember him looking up at it with a smile on his face.
And this goes way back, but I could swear I remember monster noises, for lack of a better term, when the pilot was pulled out of the cockpit. They weren't mechanical noises.
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The "lost" scene was between Charlie and Claire. Claire admits that, even though she escaped, she's always believed "they" would come back for her (or the baby), and Charlie deduces that that's why she hadn't named the baby.
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It surprised me when Locke looked up in terror. He walked back to it calmly while everyone else was running away. He obviously was not expecting what he saw. Maybe what he saw before and what chewed on the pilot was something different.
Why was everyone so charged to hide in the hatch? Locke I can understand because of his love of the island. But why everyone else? If I was trying to find a place to hide from the Others, that would be the last place I would go. It would seem like the most likely place to find them.
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Does the name "Aarron/Aaron/Aran" actually come from something?
The name "Aaron", according to babynames.com, means "Enlightened" or "To Sing", in case anyone was wondering. It's Hebrew.
I was angry at Jack for putting himself in danger, too. I was surprised no one pointed out that his skill were invaluable to the group.
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The numbers were popping up freakin' everywhere in the last hour of the show. The flight was departing from gate 23, the guy who Hurley bought the scooter from had an 8 on his cap (I think it was 8), when Hurley's car broke down the speedometer went from 16kph to 15, then it cut away to something else, and when it cut back to the speedometer it was going from 8 to 4. Plus the soccer players, and a ton of other appearances; too many for me to remember (or even notice at the time, I saw a writeup of them later).
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Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences/Connections/Other Important Things
Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcoholic. Is no longer married.
- Thought he saw a figure of his father standing on the island, in the water, etc. - His father's coffin, when Jack found it on the island, was empty of his fathers body, but closed and in good condition. - Has seen the flitty black smoke things which seem to be connected to the monster/”security system”.
Connections: Sawyer and Jack's father had a brief heart-to-heart in a bar.
John Locke: Traveling back home after being refused a place in a bush trekking party due to his disability (paralysed from waist down).
-Got the use of his legs back when crash landed, briefly seemed to be losing them during the episode with Boone, but got them back. -Is the only person known to have faced the Monster and survived. Twice. He has also seen the flitty black smoke things which seem to be connected to the monster/”security system”. -Seems to predict things on the island (occurrences, weather and direction) very accurately. -When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left. - Saw the hatchway of the underground bunker thing light up. - Dreamt of a plane crashing and a horribly mauled Boone who mumbled about his nanny Teresa who fell down the stairs. Then proceeded to lead Boone directly to the place where the same plane (small, that had belonged to drug smugglers- heroin) had crashed. - Walt read his mind about the underground bunker thing.
Connections: - Worked for the box company owned by Hurley.
Boone: Traveling back to the U.S. with Shannon after he was tricked for the last time by Shannon into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive” boyfriend who then abandoned her and ran off with the money. Boone was killed after climbing a cliff to get at a plane seen in a vision by Locke.
- Boone has experienced a very realistic hallucination in which he witnessed saw his sister's (Shannon's) body gruesomely mauled by the monster. - Boone has encountered the beast. Shannon although she was 'there' was only a hallucination and therefore did not. - Seen in a vision by Locke talking about a Nanny (Teresa) who fell down the stairs.
Shannon: Traveling back to the U.S. with Boone after tricking him into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive” boyfriend. Her boyfriend then abandoned her and ran off with the money, so they both traveled back with Boone. Shannon speaks French.
- Seen in Boone’s hallucination, mauled by the beast.
Connections: In the airport, Sayid left his bag with Shannon to watch for a moment, which she then, out of spite, reported to the airport authorities.
Sayid: Going back to the U.S. from Australia in order to meet up with the woman (Nadia) he saved from the death squad after causing his friend (“Assam”) to shoot himself after he double crossed him in return for the Nadia’s location.
- The first one to have met with Danielle Rousseau, the French Castaway/Scientist. She told him about a “disease” that had claimed her fellow castaways, and the “Black Rock”, a shipwrecked slave ship later found to be containing dynamite.
Connections: In the airport, Sayid left his bag with Shannon to watch for a moment, which she then, out of spite, reported to the airport authorities.
Kate: Arrested for a bank robbery after being in hiding for several months in the Australian outback. Traveling back in handcuffs under the guard of an American Marshall. Has killed the man she loved, who was accidentally shot while Kate was on the run from the police.
- Has seen the flitty black smoke things which seem to be connected to the monster/”security system”.
Hurley (Hugo): Drawn to Australia in his search to discover the origin of a sequence of numbers that had enabled him to win the lottery but had cursed him with disaster for everyone and everything around him.
- Hurley’s curse, that of the sequence of numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42), has followed him everywhere. These numbers, being broadcast from the Island, were heard by an old friend of Hurley’s while he served in the army. This same broadcast was what drew Rousseau’s team to the Island and also doomed them. These same numbers were inscribed on the metal hull that Boone and Locke had been uncovering. - It seemed that something was trying to stop Hurley from getting on the plane.
Connections: - Seen winning the lottery on TV in Korea in Jin’s flashback. -Owned the box company for which Locke was working.
Michael: Travelling back to the States with Walt (and Vincent) after the death of Walt’s mother. Was not planning on raising Walt himself.
- Michael and Walt have both encountered the beast.
Walt : Travelling back to the states together after the death of Walt’s mother.
- Walt seems to be able to think of animals/things (?) and make them appear, or come to him, as demonstrated with a polar bear and a comic book belonging to Hurley. - Walt, without having seen the underground bunker thing, warned Locke not to open it. He is telepathic, but it only seemed to work when Locke touched him. - Has now been kidnapped by The Others who seem to want him for something.
Vincent: The dog (golden retriever) that belonged to Walt’s stepfather and traveling with him.
- May be connected to the dog who visited Locke’s mother.
Rose: Unknown, but she was traveling with her husband who she fervently believes is still alive.
Claire: Put on the plane by the psychic who put her on this particular plane when he read in her palm that if she did not raise her baby herself terrible things would happen. She was going to give her child up for adoption.
- The psychic correctly knew that the plane was going to crash. - Very realistic dreams that seem to be partly real and/or meaningful.
Aaron: Claire’s baby.
- According to the psychic, he must be raised by Claire herself. - Kidnapped once by Ethan, once by Danielle.
Charlie: Returning from Australia after attempting to regroup his band, Driveshaft, by visiting his brother and his family in Sydney. Addicted to heroin.
- Possibly a supernatural experience: His guitar was found intact in an unlikely coincidence.
Sun: Sun was in Sydney with Jin for his job. He was “delivering watches” for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.
- Not supernatural, but Sun has extensive knowledge of herbs- enough to poison Michael.
Jin: Jin was in Sydney with Sun for his job. He was “delivering watches” for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.
Connections: Hurley was seen on TV in Jin's flashback.
Sawyer : (possible real name is James?) Unknown for sure. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who murdered the wrong man (he was in Australia to do this murder). He may have been returning to America to exact revenge from the person who misguided him into killing this person, as well as to kill the person, as well as being forced out of Australia by the Authorities.
- Possibly a supernatural experience: Had three encounters with a boar that resulted in him changing slightly.
quote:Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcoholic. He may be married.
He said that he isn't married anymore when he was talking to the woman in the bar before getting on the plane.
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Sawyer told Walt that he was going back to America in order to kill a man. I don't recall if he said why.
We know from the episode prior that he was being forcibly deported from the country by order of the Aussie authorities.
You can add that both Jack and Kate have seen some kind of shadowy, smoky, super-fast thing that appears to be part of or connected with the Monster/"Security System" of the Island.
And that Michael, Sawyer, and Jin are now boatless at sea...Sawyer probaby injured. o_o
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Did you mention that we saw Sawyer in the police station during Boone's episode? In handcuffs?
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There's a weird hint at the viral-marketing "Oceanic Air" site that suggests that the invisible monster was originally meant to look like a giant mapinguari with tentacles and machine parts, shrouded in smoke. And it refers to some character named "West" whom we have yet to meet ...
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The content of the Oceanic Airlines flight seems to refute the idea that the Lost bunch will get off the island only to discover the world has been deserted, yes? A company whose employees have all disappeared can hardly announce its own closure.
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I never realized the thing with Walt imagining the polar bear from the comic book. It makes sense though cool
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If this is a genuine tie-in website, then it would seem to the confirm that the outside world is going on fairly normally...despite the incredible weirdness of the Island situation.
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quote:Fact - The signal from Flight 815's black box stopped transmitting. The so-called 'black box' was designed to be able to transmit from anywhere 'on earth'. The only way the signal could be stopped is if it was out of range, i.e. off this earth.
Fact Exploration into the backgrounds of several of the passengers turned up several who had no history. No driver's licenses, no social security numbers. They were essentially people who 'do not exist.' You might say that they had lied about their names or were traveling on false documents, however, it is well known that these people are most often government spooks traveling secretly throughout the world.
So I wonder who had no documents? Kate, I guess. But who else?
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Kate was travelling under the custody of a U.S. Marshall. I think she'd be one of the most "document heavy" passengers on the entire plane.
I'm really not sure if any of the "core" castaways would fit that description. Maybe Sawyer, but he was being deported...so maybe not.
Hmmmm...
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Plus has Harold Wollstein ever been mentioned or seen? I don't recall. "Secret Nanotechnology Research"...hmmm...
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That 'article' about Boone's mother had me getting upset! It's not real! It's not real!
How truthfully can we take these sites? Are they just fans extrapolating or are they actually related to the TV show people/writers?
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I thought the smoke thing may be a side-effect of someone shooting at it and it being dammaged. That would explain the new, mechanical sounds, too.
Though ity could be something else entirely, what do I know?
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Holy cow. Did the monster steal the turbine and start using it? Or somehow take on the form of the turbine? That would immediately explain the mangled bodies that were found. They all looked like they had been caught in something and torn up...
*jaw drops* That would be incredible.
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When Hurley is rushing to get to the airport, he's unable to get on the crowded elevator. Inside the elevator, one of the passengers is Charley...
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Just skipped a whole bunch of posts, but from Locke it's been noted that, "When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left." Isn't Walt's (now Shannon's) dog a Golden Retriever? He got it when his mom died, and then gave it to Shannon when Boone died.
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Did anyone notice a pink script page on the Oceanic main page? I'm still trying to read it, but if you click around that yellow box, you should get a thing that lets you drag around. (I know those are terrible instructions, but I'm not really sure how I found it.)
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did anyone else notice the text of the two survivor letters on that Oceanic "quick search" page? Did anyone else find any others?
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I took a screen shot of the flickering image when you click on Edward Mars' seat. Apparently, he's a US Marshal, most likely the one with Kate. But I don't remember what that guy looked like, so I can't say for sure.
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