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Good episode, even though nothing much was resolved. I was pissed when Charlie killed Ethan, because of course my curiosity was frustrated, and I don't handle that well at all. But I suppose Charlie was right that he wouldn't have told them anything, and what with Ethan being so freakishly strong and the possibility that there are others like him on the island, I suppose it wasn't really safe to try to keep him captive. Still...I wanted to know, dammit! Posts: 957 | Registered: Aug 2002
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Alternately, it's entirely possible that Charlie is either in on the plot and killed Ethan to keep him from talking, or else was reprogrammed by the Secret Masters when he was kidnapped.
I was surprised that Claire wasn't too upset, since she did after all allow herself to be used for bait for the specific purpose of catching Ethan and getting some answers, only to have Charlie make her sacrifice completely irrelevant.
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It wasn't irrevelent! They wanted to prevent him from murdering anyone else, first and foremost. If he had been captured alive it would have been excellent, but one goal was to prevent more murder.
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I was with Tom in that I thought Charlie was in on it but I am thinking more that Claire is in on it. I would need to watch it again to see if there are any slips that give it away, but I suspect Claire of being "one of them" now. Also, I think Hurley might be even though I love the guy. Of the main characters, isn't he the only one we haven't gotten a "backstory" on yet? Some folks have had more than one flashback session, too. But Hurley, none. And he is the guy who did the passenger list. Someone made a point of this but he got all "dude" and smiled and reassured whomever it was (Sawyer?) that he was on the list. I don't know. Putting my money on Hurley being a plant, fun moments with the Korean gent aside.
What happened to Charlie's new friend? I thought he was heading down the religious path for a bit but that got scrapped pretty quickly.
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...and Jack was right. Guns weren't needed (Jack winning this time was suspicious...was Ethan trying to get in among them?) and now, based on the previews, they are going to cause more trouble than they are worth. Hmmm...
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That preview for next week pissed me off. I do not watch this show for that stupid love triangle.
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How did Jack beat the snot out of Ethan this time after getting taken apart the first time?
Did anyone else notice that for all Jack said about not letting inexperienced users hold the guns, he was the one who tackled Ethan and sent his gun flying? I was completely expecting Ethan to get the gun.
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He did look pretty crazed. But the night before, he took someone off the beach and broke quite a few bones in their body before killing them.
I keep wondering whether certain events, things, etc. actually mean something or are just bad TV. For instance, why did it take everyone so long to get to the clearing where Jack and Ethan were fighting? They were in line-of-sight with Claire. They should have been close enough to respond when Ethan showed up. By the time the rest of the crew showed up, the fight was all but over.
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Did anyone else notice the scratches on Ethan face? His left cheek looked like some one, maybe a female, had scratched it fairly bad. Maybe Claire. I am wondering if maybe somehow Claire escaped and Ethan was on the outs with whomever else is out there with him. Claire had not had the baby yet and Ethan was told to get the girl back. Maybe several days of no sleep and little food brought Ethan down.
The fight did go Jack's way pretty easily. Ethan had just picked Charlie up the day before so he was still fairly strong.
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The episode with Hurley's backstory is coming up pretty soon; not the next one, but before the end of the season (episode number 18, I think?). I think maybe he wasn't easily found on the passenger list because Hurley is just the nickname he always uses, and his real name is Hugo something-or-other. And that's a good point, Tom; it also crossed my mind to wonder if Ethan and/or the other baddies had reprogrammed Charlie so they could make him kill Ethan, should such a thing become needful to their aims.
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Was Ethan abnormally strong? I know he picked up Charlie with one hand, but I've seen that done before on TV by someone who was just very strong, but not freakishly so. He beat up Jack the first time, but not by greater strength, but because he was a better fighter.
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I also think it's unlikely. Charlie seemed to be acting purely out of his own desires and 'history'- he wanted to protect Claire as well as wanting to kill the man who had hung him. Sure he made a mistake, but it was totally understandably.
It's quite possible, however, that although Claire seemed to have returned under her own steam, Ethan wiped her memory. I noticed it only started returning after he was dead, possibly indicating a link that was severed at the time of death.
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"I know he picked up Charlie with one hand, but I've seen that done before on TV by someone who was just very strong, but not freakishly so."
Charlie weighs at least 130 pounds. I'm actually a pretty strong guy, but I have trouble imagining that I could lift someone that heavy -- while struggling -- to eye level.
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Tom, I agree. I don't know very many people, if any, that could really do it. But it is TV. I have seen this happen done on TV before and not by someone who was abnormally strong. Just a strong guy picking up a little guy.
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It looks good on TV but to pick someone up with one hand like that with arm extended show incredible upper body strenght, not just in the arm, but in the shoulders and back. Try lifting somethin with a straight arm. Tough to do.
quote:For instance, why did it take everyone so long to get to the clearing where Jack and Ethan were fighting?
I think they actually did a good job of explaining this visually. They were in sight until she ran. Jack had a good angle on them and charged. They showed the other guys climbing out of thick brush or in Sayid's case out of the tree.
Thanks for note on Hurley. He is a favorite of mine!
I am sticking with Claire being programmed, not Charlie. We don't know that it was Ethan who swam out of the sea to kill that one guy...he might have been responsible but did he himself do it? Why did Boone (and others if Locke is to be believed) wander off during their guard shift? There is more to all of last night's events, to be sure. Will watch again to see if Claire gives any clues.
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Ok, for someone who has not seen every episode, could someone do the following for me:
1)Find or make a list of the reasons why people were traveling.
2)Make a list of characters who have had any supernatural stuff happen to them- e.i. Locke walking again, Walts "gift", Claires baby and the medium.
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Reasons for Travelling/ Supernatural Experiences
Jack: Taking the body of his father, who died in Australia, back to the U.S. He had a bad relationship with his father who was an alcaholic.
- Thought he saw a figure of his father standing on the island, in the water, etc. - His father's coffin, when Jack found it on the island, was empty of his fathers body, but closed and in good condition.
Connections: Sawyer and Jack's father had a brief heart-to-heart in a bar.
John Locke: Traveling back home after being refused a place in a bush trekking party due to his disability.
-Got the use of his legs back when crash landed. -Is the only person known to have face the Monster and survived. -Seems to predict things on the island (occurances, weather and direction) very accurately. -When Locke was a boy, his sister died and his mother was on a steady decline until a Golden Retriever came to the front door, seemingly as a replacement for his sister. When his mother died, the dog left.
Boone/Shannon: Traveling back to the U.S. together after Boone was tricked for the last time by Shannon into going to Australia to pay off an “abusive” boyfriend. He then abandoned her and ran off with the money, so they both traveled back together. Shannon speaks French.
- Boone has experienced a very realistic hallucination in which he witnessed saw his sister's (Shannon's) body grusomely mauled by the monster. - Boone has encountered the beast. Shannon although she was 'there' was only a hallucination and therefore did not.
Sayid: Unknown
- The only one to have met with Danielle Rousseau, the French Castaway/Scientist. She told him some things about a "disease" that claimed her fellow castaways and the "Black Rock".
Kate: Arrested for a bank robbery after being in hiding for several months in the Australian outback. Traveling back in handcuffs under the guard of an American Marshall. Has killed the man she loved.
Hurley (Hugo): Drawn to Australia in his search to discover the origin of a sequence of numbers that had enabled him to win the lottery but had cursed him with disaster for everyone and everything around him.
- Hurley’s curse, that of the sequence of numbers, has followed him everywhere. These numbers, being broadcast from the Island, were heard by an old friend of Hurley’s while he served in the army. This same broadcast was what drew Rousseau’s team to the Island and also doomed them. These same numbers were inscribed on the metal hull that Boone and Locke had been uncovering.
Connections: Seen winning the lottery on TV in Korea in Jin’s flashback.
Michael/Walt/Vincent: Travelling back to the states together after the death of Walt’s mother.
- Walt seems to be able to think of animals (?) and make them appear, or come to him. - Michael and Walt have both encountered the beast.
Rose: Unknown, but she was traveling with her husband who she fervently believes is still alive.
Claire: Put on the plane by the psychic who put her on this particular plane when he read in her palm that if she did not raise her baby herself terrible things would happen. She was going to give her child up for adoption.
- The psychic correctly knew that the plane was going to crash. - Very realistic dreams that seem to be partly real and/or meaningful.
Charlie: Returning from Australia after attempting to regroup his band, Driveshaft, by visiting his brother and his family in Sydney.
- Possibly a supernatural experience: His guitar was found intact in an unlikely coincidence.
Sun/Jin: Jin and Sun were in Sydney together for Jin’s job. He was “delivering watches” for Sun’s father, for whom he worked and they were on their way to deliver more watches to Los Angeles. In America, Jin was going to leave his work (beating and maybe even assassinating people, as well as delivering watches) to start a new life with Sun. Sun was unaware of this fact and so because she was unhappy with Jin was planning to leave him at the airport- instead she got on the doomed flight.
Connections: Hurley was seen on TV in Jin's flashback.
Sawyer (Thanks Geoff!): (possible real name is James?) Unknown for sure. But is a tormented Scam Artist, who murdered the wrong man (he was in Australia to do this murder). He may have been returning to America to exact revenge from the person who misguided him into killing this person.
- Possibly a supernatural experience: Had three encounters with a boar that resulted in him changing slightly.
quote:Put on the plane by the psychic who was trying to kill her
That's not the impression I got. I thought that the psychic new the plane was going to crash and that would force Claire to raise the baby on the island. I could be wrong though, I don't think we have enough information either way.
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I wasn't trying to be confrontational about it or anything. That's just not the perspective I took. I think it is a perfectly valid point of view though.
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It's worth mentioning, I think, that Sayid met with Rousseau and received some hints about what this island did to a previous group of maroonees.
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Anyone tape the Jimmy Kimmel "Lost" show? I did just 'cause. Show sucks, by the way, but it was fun seeing cool Lost folks out of character...sort of. Mostly set up situations for Jimmy to play in...the actor that plays Sawyer refusing to give Jimmy some Off, Kate reading minds (for whatever reason) and Charlie-actor faking some guitar songs. Somewhat cute but having to suffer through some of the rest of jimmy's show was tough. He was a better second banana on that quiz show. Scary news...and I haven't seen it confirmed...was that David Cross (a fave of mine) was a guest and said that Arrested Development was over! Don't know if he was serious or if he was just...well...being David. He seemed pissed off but who knows.
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Teshi: Walt, Michael, and Boone have all seen the face of the 'monster'. I believe Jack was in that scene too, I'll have to watch that particular episode again.
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You're Welcome, T, but really I needed an excuse to do it .
raventh: I think there's a distiction between "being chased" by the Beast and actually "communing" with it.
Although Boone, Michael, (EDIT: Realised by me and then pointed out by Stray that Shannon is only a hallucination and has yet to encounter the beast) and Walt all have run with the Beast 'right behind them' I don't think they actually saw it... although of course we'd never know because they never talk about it.
Locke actually turned and faced the Beast in a way that suggests he faced his fears and this had some sort of "communing experience".
I'll make a note of who has run from the beast though.
EDIT: Last night, while mulling over Lost, and this vague idea I have that Walt is in an Island way Walt Disney (able to make things come alive) I realised that his guardian is called Michael, like Michael Eisner.
Michael adopted Disney, but he cannot really make it happy. Coincidence?
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Stray: After posting the post above I realised that this was true so when I went to edit the list post I noted that fact however I didn't go back and change the post above this post.
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Refresh my memory, when was Walt chased by the Beast? I know he ran from that polar bear (likely 'summoned' by his crazy psychic talent or whatever it is he's got), but when did he encounter the Giant Invisible Beast?
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As far as I can remember, no one's been around the BIG BEAST (BB) except Locke, Jack, and Kate...Locke of course when he faced the BB, and Jack and Kate when they were in the plane nose with the pilot...(was Charlie in there too?)...and then I guess it would depend on whether you thought Boone was hallucinating *everything* he heard/felt/saw, or merely Shannon. In which case, Boone's been quite near the BB as well.
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Yes. Episode 13, 35 minutes in, he is trapped, and they all get a look at it for a while, as it is attacking trying to get in the trees where Walt is stuck.
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Well, raventh, I'm looking it at the way that Locke actually turned and faced the beast and escaped unscathed- not scared, not with stories of being chased, with nothing but a creepy ability to understand and predict the island.
Boone however, ran away from the beast and did not gain this uncanny ability.
It's totally open to interpretation, of course.
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I have found a place to watch Lost. The BP meet at a girl's house to watch it, and I've decided to join. Yay!
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