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I think to kill Ben you'd have to cut of his head before he speaks, so he can't ensorcell you. You must then burn the head and body in different fires for 24 hours, then spread the ashes to the four winds.
I think Juliette started out good, and has been pushed past her limits. I hope she gets a chance at redemption.
Also, she's the cutest one left alive, so I hope she sticks around for a while. Preferably with more mud wrestling.
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Liz, Cow-- You're right about Ben needing to be taken out quickly. I think I would be satisfied if he could be made to suffer and still live, though. Know what I'd really like to see? The French Woman kick his child-stealing bahookie.
And I don't want Juliette to die. She could be completely redeemed in my eyes by means of a good fish-slapping (Or, *waves to Cow* a nice dirty girlfight in which she is soundly beaten, but recovers) and a change of her ways.
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So, halibut is the latest hi-tech torture tool.
Juliet will probably get her redemption. TV never allows people with sick siblings/spouses to become bad and never be good again. I don't care if this is Lost.
The teaser for the next episode leads me to think that someone from Dharma will "visit." Their communication has been cut off, so someone on the outside is going to want to know why no one is ordering supplies, and where their contacts have gone. I don't think it is going to get better for the castaways.
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I enjoyed this week's episode, mainly because I like Desmond so much. I'm interested to know who this new person is and what she means for the people on the island.
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Was it really a surprise that it wasn't Penny in the chopper? I mean...why the heck would she be reading Catch 22 in some other language? And why wouldn't Desmond or any of the other guys question that fact?
Anyone know what language that was?
I feel bad for Jack. Kate is off screwing Sawyer and Jack is getting closer to the chick that's stabbing them all in the back.
Did anyone notice the brief shot of the picture on that one head monk's desk at the end of the episode? It looked like he was standing with an elderly lady in the picture. She looked sort of like the lady from the ring shop in Desmond's flashback, but I couldn't tell, it was so fast. Anyone have it Tivoed?
Man...I'm glad Desmond DIDN'T learn the value of sacrifice.
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Me too. I was really worried that Charlie would die. I liked this episode though. I love Desmond (not only because of his accent. I have a thing for Scottish men, hence why I'm going to Scotland for a semester. But that's not the point). He's such an interesting character, and we know almost nothing about him. Plus, how many women was he actually engaged to? I really just can't keep up with his many women.
Also, and my friend pointed this out, did any of you see the picture that was on the head monk's desk? It was a picture of him and a woman, and I do believe that said woman was the same woman who refused to sell Desmond the ring for Penny. Discuss
I still think that Juliet isn't all that bad. Her face when she told Jack that Ben would let her go home was too convincing for me. She's just trying to save her own skin, and Ben is forcing her to do something that she doesn't entirely agree with. But if it will get her off the island, I think she'll do anything to see her sister and nephew again.
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Ardil 22 is Catch 22 in Portuguese from what I can gather. I read on one website that apparently the men working for Penny at the end of season 2 were Portuguese.
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Evie, were you replying to me or pfresh? cause I think you missed the part where I mention the picture!
RR, I had assumed that whoever *was* really in the chopper was someone Penny sent. Otherwise why would they have Desmond's picture?
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And didn't the woman say "Desmond?" It sounded like she did. So it looks like she was looking for him. I could have misheard though.
I did see the woman in the picture, but for some reason my brain didn't connect her to the one from the ring shop. Interesting if that is the connection.
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Sawyer killed me with his one liners on this ep. The "favorite others" joke really made me laugh.
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And if Kate gets pregnant, will she befall the same fate as the other women who get pregnant on the island?
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quote:Originally posted by Frisco: All I can think of when I hear a Scottish accent is Groundskeeper Willie.
And it almost succeeds in making him hot.
I like Desmond, and not just for the accent. Though, one of these days I'm going to duct tape a Scotsman to my wall and make him talk whenever I want...
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And yes, the woman definitely said Desmond and was reading Catch-22.
I don't think we have to worry about Kate getting pregnant. That storyline has already been used. It would just be redundant
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quote:Originally posted by Evie3217: I don't think we have to worry about Kate getting pregnant. That storyline has already been used. It would just be redundant
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Hasn't only one day passed since the episode aired?
Maybe Resh is experiencing Desmond-esque flashes into the future. He actually saw the one liner last week, but couldn't tell anyone about it until the episode aired for fear it would change the dialogue.
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quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: And if Kate gets pregnant, will she befall the same fate as the other women who get pregnant on the island?
Considering that the first three seasons have only covered what 90 days or less, even if Kate does get pregnant she/we won't likely know about it until well into the 5th season of the show.
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Even though I wasn't surprised at all that Locke's dad was the real Sawyer, I still enjoyed every minute of it.
Here are some interesting thoughts, which I will preface by saying I don't really think I believe them, but it's a theory. So after last week's episode I jokingly made up a theory that the chick who parachuted out of the helicopter was a plant by the others. I thought it was a bit of stretch how far away the helicopter seemed when it crashed in relation to how far she parachuted. So to explain it I said that she must be a plant.
Okay, anyway, I didn't believe it at all till this episode where Sayid becomes instantly suspicious(it's in his nature, i know). And then at the end, Juliette wants to let Kate in on whatever secret Jack and her have between them. So what is it? Has Juliette told Jack everything about Ben's plan? Do they have a plan for when the Others come? My question is, why right then did Juliette decide they needed to tell Kate whatever it is they know? Is it because they know that this new chick is a plant? Or simply because Kate is trusting Jack and Juliette wants to trust Kate with their knowledge at the same time. Like I said, I'm not backing this theory, but it was on my mind. She obviously knows all this information about Penny and Desmond, and has his picture and all of it makes sense with what we know is going on off the island.
Some other thoughts.
What is Rousseau getting dynamite for?
How DID they get Locke's dad to the island? Did they orchestrate his accident, drug him, and transport him to the island? How did the transportation occur? How are they communicating with the outside world? They've been throwing out these hints that they're dead, which I don't buy at all. But then who set up a bogus plane with bogus bodies? and how?
Also, if they got Locke's dad to the island without a submarine, in record time, how are they REALLY transporting people to the island? Was the submarine a big sham set up to trick people into thinking that they were getting to the island by natural means. And that's why they drug everyone and tell them they're doing it because it's "going to be bumpy" or whatever it is they said. And there really is some crazy supernatural explanation for it.
Going back to last week. How is the Russian still alive? When Naomi said she wasn't alone did she mean the place where she took off from in the helicopter? And who is the Russian going to tell that information to and what are they going to do with it?
Next week's preview looked pretty awesome. I'm thinking we learn a lot of specifics about Dharma and The Others if Ben really does show Locke some major secrets about the island. I was also told whose episode is next week.
SPOILERS . . . . . . . . . . It's a Ben flashback! . . . . . . . . . . So yeah, it should be pretty awesome. I like the way they did Locke's episode with flashbacks only from the Island.
The writers don't know what they're going to come up with amymore than you can suggest. It's all guess work with the audience and the writers.
I'm just waiting for Kate to be pregnant now. I just expect it. (Maybe it will make Jack more interesting. So far he bores an annoys me.)
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Oh, oh goodness, I watched last week's episode late, and then with the forum down I got confused and read this thread thinking the new discussion would be about last week's episode. I got halfway through Strider's post before I figured it out.
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I thought Locke's father (Kevin Tighe) had a telling line:"last week I was driving along on the freeway, and now I'm locked in the brig of a pirate ship in the middle of a jungle. Isn't it obvious where we are?" Hell, as he says later.
And it was bizarre that a plane and bodies were found elsewhere. So not only are they off the plane's course, nobody but Penny is looking for them anyway because everyone thinks they're dead. Or maybe they are, and are in Limbo, or Hell. Although I think the producers ruled that out last year.
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The only people they've heard the plane crash theory from are helicopter girl and Locke's father. If the helicopter girl is a plant, she could very well be lying. Locke's father could be as well. The father seems like the king of guy who would willing say something like that just to mess with their heads.
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I just think the whole "this is Hell" thing is just a way to misdirect people. I mean it could explain how some of the people got there (the people who crashed, Locke's father, etc.), but it doesn't explain how some people go back and forth between the real world and the island. It also doesn't explain how the DHARMA Initiative could set up labs and teams there and all. I mean how does one go about setting up labs in Hell? It just seems like it's an attempt to mislead people. I'm looking forward to next week though. In the preview I saw a sign that said "Namaste. DHARMA Initiative" as well as a black screen that said "Roger Work Man" (whatever that means). It should be interesting though.
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quote:Originally posted by Strider: Next week's preview looked pretty awesome. I'm thinking we learn a lot of specifics about Dharma and The Others if Ben really does show Locke some major secrets about the island. I was also told whose episode is next week.
Don't bet on getting many specifics. The writers thrive on slowly dragging out the solid facts.
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I have a bad feeling that, as The Guy Who Makes Everyone Feel Okay, Hurley is in for a bad end at some indeterminate point in the future when one of the writers needs to make the point that Things Have Gotten Really Bad Now.
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Once Locke's Dad showed himself to be a thorough conman (rather than a jerk that just needed a kidney), it wasn't a far stretch to imagine that he was the Real Sawyer.
Naomi said that plane had crashed off the coast of Bali. That means the plane was flying in the opposite direction it should have been going when it crashed. I think that it is either a dummy plane or that Naomi and Locke's Dad are lying, which is more believable.
pfresh85, "Roger Work Man" was on the nametag of the corpse in the Hippy Van. I hope we see more of that van.
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Ah, thanks for pointing that out for me, The Reader. I remembered the name from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. Now I can vividly see it though. Thanks. Posts: 1960 | Registered: May 2005
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You're welcome. Somehow, that VW van is going to become a major plotline. Lost has a way of doing that.
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OK, far fetched idea: What if they're all in a group lucid dream/coma. Nice science experiment eh? heh
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quote:pfresh85, "Roger Work Man" was on the nametag of the corpse in the Hippy Van. I hope we see more of that van.
if you payed attention during the preview for next week you'd know we'd be seeing more VW vans in general!
I had found a website that had still shots of next week's preview, but I can't seem to find it anymore.
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I stilol think the van episodw had more to do with it than they want us to think.
"Dharma" is "the way," the correct way to live while on earth.
At the end of that episode, the song "On the Road to Shambhala"(Shangrila), which is a place everyone is looking for, and no one ever finds. At least, those who go searching for it never return. Once you are in, you can;t get out. (says the legend)There are many side legends attached to the legend.
Maybe the point is more that the island is heaven, but that heaven is really a lot like, well, hell.
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quote:Originally posted by The Reader: Once Locke's Dad showed himself to be a thorough conman (rather than a jerk that just needed a kidney), it wasn't a far stretch to imagine that he was the Real Sawyer.
It wasn't just that. Ford/Sawyer pulled the same exact con that Cooper/Sawyer pulled. And the whole, "Oops, you weren't supposed to see that", which was an integral part of that con, was exactly what Cooper said to Locke when he "accidentally" hadn't finished his dialysis that time when Locke came to visit.
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I don't think they, (the writers), can kill Hurley ... it would remove a large audience base. That would be like killing Sawyer or Jack, (Although, I think they could kill Jack off and not a lose anything. Yet, I'm the minority on that character.)
Bringing back removed or dead people ... that would continue the mystery. I vote for the latter.
However, I WILL not invest emotional energy into any scenario on a television show. Again, ... the writers don't have a clue as to what they're going to do next and to inject some logical story line, (a plan), into this is illogical.
Just enjoy the journey!
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quote:Originally posted by The Reader: Once Locke's Dad showed himself to be a thorough conman (rather than a jerk that just needed a kidney), it wasn't a far stretch to imagine that he was the Real Sawyer.
It wasn't just that. Ford/Sawyer pulled the same exact con that Cooper/Sawyer pulled. And the whole, "Oops, you weren't supposed to see that", which was an integral part of that con, was exactly what Cooper said to Locke when he "accidentally" hadn't finished his dialysis that time when Locke came to visit.
Cons are too complicated for me to wrap my head around. That makes enough sense for me to believe.
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quote:I don't think they, (the writers), can kill Hurley ... it would remove a large audience base. That would be like killing Sawyer or Jack, (Although, I think they could kill Jack off and not a lose anything. Yet, I'm the minority on that character.)
Bringing back removed or dead people ... that would continue the mystery. I vote for the latter.
However, I WILL not invest emotional energy into any scenario on a television show. Again, ... the writers don't have a clue as to what they're going to do next and to inject some logical story line, (a plan), into this is illogical.
I used to think that the writers didn't know where they were going, but now I do. I have looked back among the current season and so many of the points make sense, in the Lost world anyway. I have smacked my forehead in a "well, duh" moment many times this season when something occured that should have been obvious to me earlier. This may also happen because I don't pay enough attention.
Rather than each episode containing three acts, each season seems to be arranged into acts, with an episode introducing one or more new points without resolving old ones, and some are never finished. This arrangement always keeps a mystery going. This process has flopped badly. The second season didn't live up to what was expected, even though it was still one the better shows on TV, IMHO. Season 2 provoked a "what the heck?" sensation because the writers reached to far. They have salvaged the show very well though. The mysteries are meaty again, and the characters are much better.
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