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lma, I also read something about Einstein's Unified Field Theory and the Philadelphia Experiment as a possible plot for the island. It would explain the pilot's comment about them not being seen on radar.
TOE is a cool theory, though I'm not sure I'd want to read the mind of God.
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First of all, I'd like to say that my theories were correct. I apologise for the shamesless gloat.
1. That the "other" group of survivors is living out the Hobbesian theory of the state of nature. It's nasty, brutish and short. Seemingly, the woman has taken the number of survivors down from 23 (ahem) to about eight (ahem), compared to the 48 (ahem) to the about 42 (ahem) in the other camp. Where Locke is a member (ahem).
2. That there are other bunkers. That was clearly an abandoned bunker. The symbol on the wall was the same, except without the swan. In the place of the swan was something that looked a bit like a cross, except the horizontal bar was detailed.
This show is starting to get on my nerves, though. It's still good, gripping, interesting, etc. Just something about it, perhaps the suspense, is starting to wear thin. Now I watch it as a prediction excercise: This group is Locke, the other is Hobbes. I get satisfaction out of being right, as you can see, but I don't get satisfaction out being surprised, even if I am surprised.
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What makes you think Ana Lucia is the reason the 23 dwindled to only a few?
From the "next episode" blurb, it looks like they've been dealing directly with the territory of the "real" Others, who judging by Ethan and the boat people are possibly superhuman, psychic, and definitely killers.
Ana Lucia might turn out to be the only reason even a few of them are still alive.
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Even if the tropical heat means that she'll have a pocket of goo by mid-morning, nice gesture. *ahem*
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Here is an mp3 that someone created, reversing the dialog. What do you guys think it says? I don't want to taint what you hear by saying what I hear.
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I am so glad that character is dead. She was annoying. And the girl that shot her..well maybe this will bring her down a few notches.
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I hear "Press the button, no button's bad." I could be off though. I'm more sure of the first part than the second part.
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I was wondering why there wasn't more discussion of Lost here recently (I mean apart from the last two weeks of reruns). I have heard fans saying that this season doesn't live up to the promise of last season, but I disagree. I have enjoyed this season's episodes immensely. Last night was great. The single blemish in my mind was Ana Lucia. I don't think that actress does a very good job, nor do they give her very good lines or a very interesting personality, at least not yet. I hope next week's "extended" episode remedies some of that.
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The "don't push the button, the button's bad" (or some people think it is actually "push the button, no button's bad") was from earlier in the season.
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I hear "Press the button. No button's bad." from Solo's .mp3 file. <edit> and the new one sounds more like "I'm coming and they're close" or "I'm coming in their clothes" to me </edit>
Ding dong the witch is dead.
How will Sayid react to Shannon's death?
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I'm kind of bummed that Shannon is dead because now there will be no more Boon in her flashbacks. But then, she was really REALLY annoying.
I would have rather ditched Ana Lucia though. I agree with y'all that she stinks and her dialogue stinks. I'd love to see the rest of the group eat her alive, but we won't know what they do to her because now they're going to pull what annoys me the most about this series: Let's go back and look at that from another point of view! I think we'll see the 'back passengers' for the next few weeks and be left hanging about Sayid and the rest of the gang. Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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I really hope not. It does look that way but maybe the flashbacks for next weeks episode will actually be of them on the other side and we will still get some progression with the original cast.
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I thought last night's episode was pretty good. There were no flashbacks, but then the whole episode was basically one long flashback. Ana Lucia's character was fleshed out a bit, and she now seems a little less hateful and annoying. I think that this second group of survivors may have a couple of characters that will become as beloved as some of the originals
We also learned more about the Others. One thing we learned was that they aren't as scary or powerful as reported. They only "attacked" the tail-section survivors twice, kidnapping a total of twelve people. They don't seem to have killed anybody at all, did they? And the tail-sectioners managed to kill three or four of the Others with, well, rocks. I don't think the Others are anything to be afraid of, after all.
We also got to learn a few tantalizing details about the others through Goodwin, the spy. I still need to mull over what he told Ana Lucia, though.
Finally, Mr. Eko just keeps getting better and better.
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So was Ethan one of the others? I seem to remember him possessing super-human strength, which is definitely something to be afraid of if the other 'Others' have that. Maybe Ethan is a separate animal entirely?
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One of my regrets is that I missed at least half of the first season, and that includes every episode involving Ethan. The only things I know about him are things I've read online, and that isn't much. So I can't answer your question.
Although, if the Others had amazing strength, they should have been able to beat Eko, especially outnumbering him 2 to 1, shouldn't they?
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Yeah. That's why I"m doubting that Ethan was an 'other.' So now I'm wondering, "What in the hell WAS he?" *shrug* I guess we might find out. One day.
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quote:Originally posted by Silent E: They don't seem to have killed anybody at all, did they?
Except, of course, poor Nathan (or Dr. Mike Burton, as I will always remember him).
I liked last night's episode alright, and I hate Ana Lucia somewhat less because of the occassional shots of the actress with an expression other than petulent anger. However, I think the writing is going from bad to worse: "You waited 40 days to talk?" "You waited 40 days to cry." PIABALIITK (Puke in a bucket and leave it in the kitchen)
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Didn't the Others attack the original cast once or twice. Maybe they haven't concentrated their efforts on them because there are more of them. And I'm still not convinced Ethan had super-human strength.
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I don't think Ethan had super-human strength. Charlie and Claire aren't exactly a tough couple to take on. When Ethan first fought Jack, Jack hadn't slept in a long time and was exhausted. The second time, when Jack was rested, he was able to take Ethan out pretty easily. Other than lifting Charlie up by his throat (a standard of tough guys in movie and television for years), there doesn't seem to be any reason to assume he was anything more than regular strength.
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On that note, I do think that Eko is one heck of a big asset to be added to the main body of survivors. I know I wouldn't mess with him.
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Jack certainly couldn't take Ethan out during that last showdown they had before Charlie shot him. I'd watch it again. It seemed to me to definitely be a case of "Jack had no chance" against that guy.
I think Ethan was something else entirely. He always seemed to work alone.
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How can you say Jack had no chance when Jack got him down on the ground and pinned? If you will recall, Ethan was already surrounded and pretty docile when Charlie shot him. Perhaps you should watch again.
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You remember the African American woman who wouldn't talk at the beginning of last season? I originally thought that Mr. Eko was her husband, but now I think it was the guy they found up in the tree.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.
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Bernard is her husband (the guy in the tree). That was actually established when Michael, Sawyer and Jin were brought into the bunker on the other side. Bernard came over and asked them if a woman named Rose (the African American lady)was alive on the other side. When they said she was, he smiled and said, Rose "is my wife."
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I think Ethan was one of the Others--he seemed very similar to the second guy (name?) that Ana Lucia killed, with the same way of talking when he was in "Other-mode".
It was a good choice for the writers to summarize the tail end's first 40 days in one episode. They made it interesting enough in a brief time, much better than whole episodes where we wonder what happens after Shannon is shot.
quote: Jack certainly couldn't take Ethan out during that last showdown they had before Charlie shot him.
That's not the way I remember it happening. I thought Charlie shot Ethan after Jack had beaten him.
I looked it up on the episode guide at ABC. This is from Ep.12
quote:Jack slips and slides down a bank into a puddle of mud. He looks up to see Ethan standing over him. Ethan orders Jack to stop following him. But when Jack asks who he is and where Charlie and Claire are, Ethan delivers a healthy punch to Jack's face, knocking him back down. He tells Jack once again to stop following him or he'll kill one of his people. Jack attempts to fight him off, but Ethan is too strong and gains the upper hand, telling Jack this is his last warning and knocking him out.
This doesn't seem to indicate that Ethan was stronger than Jack, but not super-human. Like AR, I think picking someone up by the throat is just a TV/movie gimmick. This is from Ep.15.
quote: Jack, Kate, Sayid, Locke and Sawyer lie in wait until Ethan makes his move and then Jack POUNCES on Ethan, losing his gun in the tussle. They go back and forth in a vicious fight and Jack shows a side of himself we haven't yet seen. He beats Ethan into submission and the others arrive with their guns to ensure he doesn't get away. Now, it's time to get some answers, but Ethan is shot several times from off screen. We reveal Charlie who followed the team out on their "hunt" and picked up Jack's gun when he lost it in the fight. As Ethan dies all hopes of an interrogation are lost.
It looks like Jack beat him fair and square.
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I've always liked Michelle Rodríguez, because she reminds me of my wife. This last episode confirmed for me that she was a good choice, despite all the above nay-saying. Tough Hispanic women who don't take shit from anyone are a welcome change from previous archetypes, IMO.
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Yeah my bad. I just remember thinking that Ethan beat Jack with less effort than he should have. I also thought he was rather other-worldly because of the way he seemed to cart Charlie and Claire off all by himself...but now that I think about it, he probably had help, just like the 'others' spy with Ana Lucia's group.
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Eko (or Echo? Not sure.) was able to fight the Others off, while other members of the party were killed. I think this may be because they were trying to take him alive, because he was not only a threat, but "good".
Could there be more than one group of "Others"? There are supposed to be six bunkers, yes? Who knows what the purpose of the other ones is. (For that matter, what was the purpose of the one the tail survivors were inhabiting, and was that purpose somehow failed?)
I'm kind of buying into the idea that there was something supernatural about Ethan. Something about the way he moved, and that he was able to take Charlie and Claire alone (and I do think it was alone, otherwise Claire wouldn't have been able to escape)
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Did anyone else notice that they avoided using any pronouns whatsoever for Ana Lucia's "Danny"? Is it possible that it should be spelled "Dani"?
I tend to notice when people play the pronoun game. Occupational hazard.
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THT: I thought Kate kissing Jack was hot. I like him a lot more than Sawyer.
The whole scene leading up to Kate blowing up Wayne with him trying to pull her into bed was so much creepier looking back on in with the knowelge that Wayne's her dad.
I seriously dislike Kate's mom.
Lisa: I usually notice when people play the pronoun game, but I didn't this time. She did sorta ping my 'dar when she was in her full cop outfit though.
It seems odder to me that a woman would leave her no-longer-preggers and dying wife than a man though.
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They might not have been married. And if Danny is actually a Dani, then Ana Lucia could have gotten pregnant by cheating on her. We still don't quite know her whole backstory.
So, anyone wanna place bets on how long it'll be before Kate bites the big one?
1) We have her entire backstory now 2) She's resolved her big issue 3) Killing her off acts a big emotional lever for Jack and Sawyer
Judging by the other character deaths on the show, I'd say it's not looking too good for her.
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