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jeniwren
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TONS of government workers have families that have no clue what they do at the office.
That's not quite the same thing as having a clearly malevolent bent toward someone (or in this case, I think, something -- the superpowers) and consistently showing love in that direction in a convincing way at the same time, over YEARS, day in and day out, even when you're tired and grumpy. I just don't buy it.
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Blackblade, I agree for the most part with what you're saying. A lot of my potential gripes are just initial reactions and may be proven wrong or shown to be based on false assumptions.

for the science playing God part... my main point here is that anyone trying to claim that a "reasonable" extension of evolution is teleportation I'd probably call a nutjob. But if you want to throw in the possibilities of magical-type explanations (even something dealing with unknown science a la gamma rays from back in the day) I'm more ok with it.

True that we don't know that Clare's dad is a hitman per se, but we definately get the aura of malevolence layed on pretty thickly. And the fact that he didn't kill the Indian guy doesn't necessarily prove that he isn't, he actually mentions that "they" must not want him dead because they could have killed him already (a couple of times now at least). I think at this point "they" are still trying to see the results of his work and get some kind of gain from it before making any overt moves against him.

But even given the government workers have normal lives thing I just can't jive the really friendly father combined with the dark malevolent watching of videos etc... but maybe it will be explained better as the show continues to flesh them all out.

Suicidal artist I can get, but maybe it's just me being a nitpicky engineer, but that gun looked suspicously similar to the one the "exterminator" was using earlier. I picture a poor junkie artist killing himself with a cheap .38 special revolver, not a new shiny semi-auto pistol with what appears to be a sound or flash suppressor (maybe I'm just reading waay to into it though)

I'm not saying that the cop wasn't acting erratic and that they didn't necessarily have reason to arrest him, but she did say the name Syler aloud because the other woman commented back to her about it, making some mention of words on the lips of a dying man, and never having proven anything about another case...

I definately think mirro-girl's son will play a role later on, they wouldn't be introducing extraneous characters and telling us interesting infor (like the adeptness with electronics) for nothing. and he's really cute.

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This show is great.

I think the whole thing of being able to tell where the heroes are is pretty far fetched.

And, didn't the flying guy do the same thing the artist can while he was in the hospital?

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so, anyone still watching?

I really am wondering if that girl that hangs out with Mohinder can be trusted. Something about her just seems a little bit off.

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I caught part of the end of last night's episode, having seen nothing prior, and the part where it showed the girl who was dead on the autopsy table but then came back to life with her chest flayed open in front of her was possibly the freakiest thing I've ever seen in my life.

I'd like to catch up on the show, but I also want to catch up on and give a chance to Jericho and Friday Night Lights too. And 30 Rock which starts tomorrow, but I doubt I'll actually keep up with when I can watch Studio 60 and get the same thing more or less (only better).

Considering how much television I used to watch three years ago, I'm amazed with myself that there are only three shows I'm actually keeping up on now. Studio 60, NCIS, and LOST (which I actually missed last week, but I intend to keep up with it).

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I'm really enjoying the show so far. I agree that there are some annoyances with a couple of the characters, but not enough to make me not want to watch.

We PVRed it, and just got around to watching it Monday night and last night. Actually, we started the first episode over the weekend, but I was so darned tired it couldn't hold my attention, (though from reading this thread now, maybe that's not entirely because I was tired), but maybe since I basically watched the first and second episodes back to back on Monday, the second episode ameliorated the weaknesses of the first. [Dont Know]

Anyway, we're PVRing it and plan to follow it unless it gets really bad.

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I'm stil watching it. Annoyed with how many commercial interruptions there are.

Is the comic book changing as he goes through and lives them out? That's one thing I didn't figure out -- if all those scenes were already there, or if it changed as Hiro changed things.

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Well, he chose to rent the car rather than fly because the panel in the comic book "told" him to. I can only guess that the panels appear as he's moving through the story, otherwise you'd think he'd just skip to the end and find out what's going on.
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The bottom of the panel that had them heading into Vegas said "To Be Continued at the bottom. I think he's at the end of his comic book guidance.
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quote:
Originally posted by Olivet:
The bottom of the panel that had them heading into Vegas said "To Be Continued at the bottom. I think he's at the end of his comic book guidance.

I think this is how it is as well.

Spoiler

Did anybody else tense up when Syler had that girl put a gun to her own head?

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BB: I thought "Oh.. I liked that actress... But I guess they only had her for a coupla episodes."
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Did anybody else tense up when Syler had that girl put a gun to her own head?
yes.

So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?

FG

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So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
SPOILER:
If you have it recorded, go back and look at the necklace the guy was wearing. Then go back and look at the "code" Mohinder was looking at that his father did. You'll see something very interesting!

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I do have it recorded. I will do that!
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So I have a few of my own theories on this show...

Perhaps Sylar's powers are similar to those of Leech's in X-Men. Maybe he acquires the "powers" of the brains he takes? He does seem to have a variety of powers as it is... The map of targets may be all or most of the people with powers he's looking to acquire.

I'm not sure of my reasoning behind this so bear with me, could DL and Sylar be the same person?

And with Hiro learning to speak English, could he use his abilities to learn the language in a mere "instant?"

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quote:
Originally posted by Verloren:
quote:
So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
SPOILER:
If you have it recorded, go back and look at the necklace the guy was wearing. Then go back and look at the "code" Mohinder was looking at that his father did. You'll see something very interesting!

You can see the symbol in several other places if you pay attention. Try the pool in the 2nd episode.
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quote:
Originally posted by EKR:
So I have a few of my own theories on this show...

Perhaps Sylar's powers are similar to those of Leech's in X-Men. Maybe he acquires the "powers" of the brains he takes? He does seem to have a variety of powers as it is... The map of targets may be all or most of the people with powers he's looking to acquire.

I'm not sure of my reasoning behind this so bear with me, could DL and Sylar be the same person?

And with Hiro learning to speak English, could he use his abilities to learn the language in a mere "instant?"

That might explain the whole brain taking action neh?
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Spoilers- list of characters and super power.

Peter's power is to "Steal" other people's power like Rogue.

Nathan Can Fly

Artist dude paints the future

Cheerleader regenerates

Single White Mother has a deadly split personality

Police Guy can read minds.

Hiro can bend space time.

Micah (SWM's kid) has abilities yet unrevealed. So does his father.

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Did anyone notice that when Hiro first comes to Ando, Anod is watching the video of Claire?
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Yes -- actually that was in two of the episodes -- that his friend was the one buying video of the other character (the alter-ego lady -- not Clare --she's the teenager).
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quote:
Originally posted by Farmgirl:
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Did anybody else tense up when Syler had that girl put a gun to her own head?
yes.

So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?

It wasn't just that he couldn't read his mind. It seemed to me like the guy basically jammed Matt's telepathy. He stopped hearing everyone in the bar when the guy stared at him.
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quote:
Originally posted by Farmgirl:
Yes -- actually that was in two of the episodes -- that his friend was the one buying video of the other character (the alter-ego lady -- not Clare --she's the teenager).

I got the feeling that he was actually the one watching her when we first saw her. The one who wanted more and yelled at her when she said it'd cost him.

And it's Niki. The folks over at TWoP have already named her mirror image "ikiN".

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And it's Niki. The folks over at TWoP have already named her mirror image "ikiN".
[Smile] that's cool.
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Here are some semi-spoilers and tidbitds from IMdb.

First of all, if you look at the little photo next to D.L. Hawkins (Niki's hubby), you'll see that it's the guy from the bar. So if that was Sylar, then D.L. is Sylar. But I doubt it. Though no one else is credited as being Sylar.

Hiro Nakamura - Bends space and time
Ando Masahashi - Hiro's sidekick
Niki Sanders - Has a very effective mirror image
Micah Sanders - Niki's son
D.L. Hawkins - Niki's husband
Mohinder Suresh - Can talk forever without getting tired
Chandra Suresh - Mohinder's late father
Eden MacKenzie - Friend of Chandra (maybe), who couldn't pronounce Chandra, but has no problem with Mohinder (and I think is evil)
Nathan Petrelli - Can fly and be a heartless jerk
Peter Petrelli - Maybe he can borrow others' powers
Matt Parkman - Telepath
Claire Bennet - Regenerates
Horned Rim Glasses - Claire's adopted father and squicksome bad guy. Maybe has powers, maybe doesn't.

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quote:
Originally posted by Farmgirl:
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And it's Niki. The folks over at TWoP have already named her mirror image "ikiN".
[Smile] that's cool.
no no no thats, "looc."

[Big Grin]

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And I think that Peter has the most superhero-ish name of them all, being that it's alliterative.
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quote:
Originally posted by T_Smith:
Spoilers- list of characters and super power.

Peter's power is to "Steal" other people's power like Rogue.

Nathan Can Fly

Artist dude paints the future

Cheerleader regenerates

Single White Mother has a deadly split personality

Police Guy can read minds.

Hiro can bend space time.

Micah (SWM's kid) has abilities yet unrevealed. So does his father.

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You forgot

Syler: Likely Cheerleaders father. Possible powers include regeneration, freezing people, levitation, telekenesis.

Also, How did you get that Peter's power was to steal other people's powers? I would have said that both Peter and Nathan had the power to fly?

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I guessed "borrowing other powers" for Peter too. There was quite a bit of talk about how he empathizes with people, especially Nathan. Just take it to the superhero level.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:
Originally posted by T_Smith:
Spoilers- list of characters and super power.

Peter's power is to "Steal" other people's power like Rogue.

Nathan Can Fly

Artist dude paints the future

Cheerleader regenerates

Single White Mother has a deadly split personality

Police Guy can read minds.

Hiro can bend space time.

Micah (SWM's kid) has abilities yet unrevealed. So does his father.

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You forgot

Syler: Likely Cheerleaders father. Possible powers include regeneration, freezing people, levitation, telekenesis.

Also, How did you get that Peter's power was to steal other people's powers? I would have said that both Peter and Nathan had the power to fly?

He has yet to fly when not around Steven. See him practicing in at the playground in the third episode.

He might STILL be able to fly, but has yet to learn how to activate the ability. But with the evidence we have thus far he could PLAUSIBLY be borrowing others power.

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TVGuide confirmed that Peter's power is to borrow other peoples power.
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Oh, and Sylar is an awesome villian, btw. I'm in the "he eats superhero's brain, gains their ability permanantly."
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quote:
Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:
Originally posted by Verloren:
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So what's with the ONE guy in the bar that the cop couldn't read his mind -- he just stared. Is that going to be Sylar, you think?
SPOILER:
If you have it recorded, go back and look at the necklace the guy was wearing. Then go back and look at the "code" Mohinder was looking at that his father did. You'll see something very interesting!

You can see the symbol in several other places if you pay attention. Try the pool in the 2nd episode.
It's also written on the side of one of claire's textbooks, and in her notes. My family and I watch each episode twice, only paying attention to where the symbol shows up the second time around. We are losers.
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I thought the recurring "f" like sign (wasn't it there on the Amazing Evolution book as well?) was just a representation of the double helix. Did anyone else think so too?
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Well, it could be, but why would they hide it in so many places? Also, why hide it in scenes and objects that are obviously important to the story? I think there has got to be something more to it.
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What's the symbol look like? I must have missed it.
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You know the Macromedia Flash F thingy? It kinda looks like that.

This. http://www.moket.com.au/images/common/flashLite_logo_large.gif

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Oh, I know that symbol. Was it seen at all in the first episode? I have quick access to the first episode since Amanecer gave me a card for a free iTunes download of it. If not, I'll just keep my eyes out for it next week.
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Or else see the 3rd episode at
NBC

Part 5, with about 4 mins left -- the guy who "blocks" the telepath out wears that sign.

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Pictures


There are a bunch of shots of the symbol as seen in the show about 3/4 of the way down the page. Post #18 I believe.

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Thanks for the link, Little_Doctor. Interesting to see it there. I hadn't noticed it at all. Now I've got something else to keep my eyes out for.
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You know, I like the premise of the show and all of the characters, but if Sylar is going to be the main plotline, I don't think I can watch it. I'm terrified of serial killers, I'll have nightmares for months after I see a show about one. I can't watch a season of shows about one.
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I just caught episode 3. Mostly good. I liked the fact that Hiro's always carrying on about being different and wanting to be an individual, but then he turns around and follows the comic book's instructions exactly. To the point where he's demanding the car in the picture. Somehow I doubt Hiro sees the irony. Between Hiro/Ando and Claire/camera guy, I'm wondering if the conformity/individual thing is going to be a recurring theme.

I have two quibbles with the ep. First, who would keep a witness in a secure location in a basement with bad lighting, one cop, and a back door? Makes me wonder if they're not really the FBI or if it was just bad writing.

Second, I didn't like Claire and the quarterback at the party. He's been crushing on her for a while, his goal of the evening is to make her laugh, and then he turns around and acts like that? Huh? Shouldn't there have been some warning signs or something? It felt a bit contrived to me.

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It felt a bit contrived to me.
Me too.
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Well, -- I kind of forgave the sudden change in the quarterback in that it was obvious all the kids had been drinking (they made a point of mentioning that heavily) -- so that's probably how they are explaining his sudden shift in personality. Granted, there wasn't much time between he seemed all sweet and caring to when he began being pushy -- but I have known guys like that -- the charming is a ruse.
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quote:
Originally posted by blacwolve:
You know, I like the premise of the show and all of the characters, but if Sylar is going to be the main plotline, I don't think I can watch it. I'm terrified of serial killers, I'll have nightmares for months after I see a show about one. I can't watch a season of shows about one.

So I'm guessing you don't watch Dexter?
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Second, I didn't like Claire and the quarterback at the party. He's been crushing on her for a while, his goal of the evening is to make her laugh, and then he turns around and acts like that? Huh? Shouldn't there have been some warning signs or something? It felt a bit contrived to me.

Actually, I thought it was nice that they weren't doing the usual thing of making a rapist seem like a creep from the get-go. Rapists can be extremely charming right up until they turn Mr. Hyde.
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"You just need to relax" is such a classic date rapist line. What felt unbelievable to me is that he looks a little small to be a Texas HS quarterback.

Mohinder's little pixie neighbor is totally a bad guy and it's a little distracting (in its unbelievable-ness) that Mohinder immediately trusts with all of his secrets. Also, she couldn't pronounce "Chandra?"

Mohinder is dreamy. Possible Sylar/DL is dreamy.

I don't think Possible Sylar/DL is Claire's biological father. He's a dark-skinned black man and she's a pale, blonde white girl. I also don't think DL and Sylar are the same person - it's implied that DL has been living in Vegas for some time and Sylar was living in Queens. If they are the same person, they'll have to do some serious explaining.

I adore Hiro. If anything bad happens to him, I will be very, very sad.

I'm so happy that Erin is recapping on TWoP. She was so great with Alias.

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I kinda assumed DL was the dead guy in the desert.
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Nope. On IMdb, they make it pretty clear that DL was the guy in the bar. The dead guy in the desert was one of his guys that he apparently killed.
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That's too bad.. I liked the idea that psychomom killed him.

So how did psychomom know where the shallow grave was?

(edit: Unless she killed the guy... in psychomom mode...and DL got the blame. or they did it together)

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