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extrinsic
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quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
The silver lining to losing power is that I've been reading OSC's "How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy" again for the first time in many years. Every time I read it, it feels like I'm learning everything anew. Maybe that means I'm bad at retaining information? =)

Rereading for me reveals further contexture from greater appreciation of content. New and deeper appreciation comes from enhanced learning due to cognitive leaps caused by prior and related content grasp brought to rereads. It's cumulative, part of personal growth.
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I'm alive and well! Traffic's taken a turn for the worse though; two major highways have closed down (or something like that), and my 1 hr commute to work has nearly doubled.

It's not looking great for Florida now though...

I agree, extrinsic! I just don't appear to get around to rereading things as much as I'd like.

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quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
I'm alive and well! Traffic's taken a turn for the worse though; two major highways have closed down (or something like that), and my 1 hr commute to work has nearly doubled.

It's not looking great for Florida now though...

I agree, extrinsic! I just don't appear to get around to rereading things as much as I'd like.

Good!


And even though not extrinsic-obviously-I too could use a rereading of my various books on writing.

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I'm not sure where to post this, so I suppose this goes here, even though it IS writing-related. I didn't think this would warrant a whole discussion, but it's a thought I wanted to put somewhere...

I remember that Grumpy Old Guy thought of third person as a superior to first person as far as writing goes, so I kind of took this as an opinion shared by a good segment of the publishing industry. But just now, looking over the current issue of Clarkesworld (issue 132, Sept. 2017), I noticed that 4 out of their 7 total published works (fiction category) were in first person.

Now I'm revisiting my earlier thought that the industry slightly frowns on works in a first person POV...

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quote:
Originally posted by tesknota:
I'm not sure where to post this, so I suppose this goes here, even though it IS writing-related. I didn't think this would warrant a whole discussion, but it's a thought I wanted to put somewhere...

I remember that Grumpy Old Guy thought of third person as a superior to first person as far as writing goes, so I kind of took this as an opinion shared by a good segment of the publishing industry. But just now, looking over the current issue of Clarkesworld (issue 132, Sept. 2017), I noticed that 4 out of their 7 total published works (fiction category) were in first person.

Now I'm revisiting my earlier thought that the industry slightly frowns on works in a first person POV...

I think it really depends on the editor and how well the story is written.
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A lot depends on how well the story is written. An author who can overcome the disadvantages of first person and write a story that works, can certainly go ahead and use it.

First person tends to be the POV of choice for new writers, and because they don't know how to overcome the disadvantages, it is frowned upon.

I have asserted in the past (and continue to do so) that Stephanie Meyer's Twilight books would have been better if she had not written them in first person - Bella would have certainly come across as a more sympathetic character to some readers, at any rate.

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I've been impacted by Irma. I've been without internet access for five days, and right now am working from my mother's house and there's no air conditioning. My house has air conditioning, but lacks cable, phone, and internet. More as warranted.
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Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I've been impacted by Irma. I've been without internet access for five days, and right now am working from my mother's house and there's no air conditioning. My house has air conditioning, but lacks cable, phone, and internet. More as warranted.

That sounds... less than pleasant. I would be crawling up the walls. [Frown] I hope that the lack of connectivity is the worst of what you're dealing with, though. *big hugs*
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quote:
Originally posted by Kathleen Dalton Woodbury:
A lot depends on how well the story is written. An author who can overcome the disadvantages of first person and write a story that works, can certainly go ahead and use it.

First person tends to be the POV of choice for new writers, and because they don't know how to overcome the disadvantages, it is frowned upon.

I have asserted in the past (and continue to do so) that Stephanie Meyer's Twilight books would have been better if she had not written them in first person - Bella would have certainly come across as a more sympathetic character to some readers, at any rate.

According to an agent, editor, and publisher consensus, as much anecdotal and apocryphal as stated, first person's commonest shortfall is lack of character development. Second, though a more pertinent shortfall for publication aspirants, is narrator identity establishment, as well common to aspirant third person selective omniscient and detached narrator narrative points of view. The viewpoint persona and the alter-id narrator of such are lumps on logs, mere pass-throughs, as if only emotionless and pointless machine recorders. No attitude about the subject matter of the moment or overall. Third person close, limited, though, does entail an unidentified and unestablished narrator persona, near if not altogether invisible.

Whoever expresses the strongest attitude toward a subject matter is who, by default, readers most align with. This persona linguisticians refer to as the attitude holder -- the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Isabella Swan expresses very little, if any, attitudes about anything. Natural, presumably, for an oblivious doe-eyed wallflower ugly duckling who blooms into the most popular girl (swan) in her new school-place home.

Social elitism is, after all, and its glorification and appeals for the audience, what the cycle is really about, and vampire genre overall, either in favor of, since Anne Rice's fresh interpretation, or against social elitism for the earlier Bram Stoker vampire era. Attitude! one of three core essentials for dramatic development and movement, attended by motivation (complication) and stakes (conflict). Attitude accumulates persona characterization, for both narrators and viewpoint personas, as the emphasis may warrant, and, to lesser degrees, other, lesser dramatic personas.

Attitudinal reactions to stimuli make a dramatic scene on the page, though are widely socially discouraged, conditioned against, that is, hence, a profound challenge for publication aspirant writers to develop on the page.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
I've been impacted by Irma. I've been without internet access for five days, and right now am working from my mother's house and there's no air conditioning. My house has air conditioning, but lacks cable, phone, and internet. More as warranted.

That sounds... less than pleasant. I would be crawling up the walls. [Frown] I hope that the lack of connectivity is the worst of what you're dealing with, though. *big hugs*
Been there, done that, a few dozen times. Now have a better-than-somehow-eek-out-the-time-until-utilities, etc., are restored kit. Mi-fi would not help Conchs, though; Irma took out cell towers across the lower state, too. AC? If I have ice, I have AC -- DIY shop-made AC system that cools okay on a small battery-powered fan. 900 amp hours of backup power, enough for a few or so days' electrical backup. Then recharged from, say, the car or a kindly neighbor's generator or -- next on the wish list -- solar power cell.

Best wishes for as brief an inconvenience as possible and a leisure time of the hardships.

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Cable-phone-internet came up at my house shortly after; I've spent the afternoon catching up here and there. I suffered, but hardly as bad as others have, and certainly as others are.
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Cable-phone-internet came up at my house shortly after; I've spent the afternoon catching up here and there. I suffered, but hardly as bad as others have, and certainly as others are.

Good you are back on line Robert


When I am offline I don't worry about as much as some. My wife has her crafts so she needs to be online but I would be writing anyway. But without electricity that would be hard-hopefully my laptop would be charged at least for a day or three. But if I had paper and pen I would probably write anyway.
Of course if I had stories out or a political comment to address I would feel differently. [Big Grin]

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I have been meaning to say this for four weeks at least.

Been seeing Spirit Halloween stories popping up. The first one may have been five weeks ago. Only one has a person out on the street corner in costume. Last year they had some one with an electric guitar. But this year the girl is boring. Just a sign.

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Glad to hear that you're okay, Robert!

LDWriter2, isn't it too early for Halloween stories? It's not even October yet. =)

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quote:
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Glad to hear that you're okay, Robert!

LDWriter2, isn't it too early for Halloween stories? It's not even October yet. =)

Retail doesn't care. XD
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quote:
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Originally posted by Robert Nowall:
Cable-phone-internet came up at my house shortly after; I've spent the afternoon catching up here and there. I suffered, but hardly as bad as others have, and certainly as others are.

Good you are back on line Robert


When I am offline I don't worry about as much as some. My wife has her crafts so she needs to be online but I would be writing anyway. But without electricity that would be hard-hopefully my laptop would be charged at least for a day or three. But if I had paper and pen I would probably write anyway.
Of course if I had stories out or a political comment to address I would feel differently. [Big Grin]

For laptop backup power supply, consider a four-in-one jump starter: the jump pack itself, an on-board power inverter that converts 12 v DC to 120 v AC, plus a cigarette lighter socket for 12 v DC power takeoff, and usually an air pump and work light. Five-in-one models also provide a USB device charger (0.7 to 2.1 amps, 5 volts). Jump starter 120 v AC output 4 ~ amps, or 200+ ~ watts, enough for an average laptop's power consumption and, dependent on jump pack's amp hour rating, good for a week or so of uninterrupted backup power. On-board jump pack recharger included, plugs into a live household socket. Price range high $$ to low $$$. Anymore, an essential for uninterrupted connectivity in this electricity-insistent Digital Age.

[ September 18, 2017, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: extrinsic ]

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Oh, my laptop battery lasted fine. Power was off just under one day. (Not during the storm, though.) But internet access doesn't work if the wires down the street have come loose.

My landline phone was down, too. It's bundled with the cable and internet. I'm thinking of unbundling it.

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