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I wish it hadn't ended on a debate between Jack and Kate. I wish there was some clue what they were actually going to do. Oh well, you can't always get what you want.
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Can the guy ever catch a break? Every time he gets married he ends up drugged and unconcious!
I agree what makes them think I am going to wait...
Okay I know, I have no choice, but I will not watch the show that replaces it, from now on Wendsday is Family Home Evening, until Febuary.
I think that Jack is making a very good move, they will not stop needing him, and he has the strong hand. The big bitter guy needs to die for sure.
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What the hell was that? I read that we were supposed to get answers before this retarded hiatus.
Man I wish I could call up my boss and tell him "Hey boss, I won't be coming in for the next 16 weeks... I'll be taking a hiatus. Can I still get paid and have my job waiting for me when I get back in February? Thanks, see ya!"
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quote:Every time he gets married he ends up drugged and unconcious!
That's exactly what I said! And I half expected to see Kate go all woozy after she kissed him. Totally ruined the sad moment when I started giggling.
Dude, FINALLY Sawyer and Kate get it on. It also excuses Jack's change from "useless unquestioning guy in cell" to "character I almost started liking again". I mean, seeing his true love snuggling with Kate like that...gotta make a guy start taking risks.
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quote:Originally posted by Princess Leah: Dude, FINALLY Sawyer and Kate get it on.
Christ. YOU and those like you are the reason we had a 10 minute WASTE of space in this episode.
People want to know what's going on on the island, not whether or not character A has sex with character B. If you want to watch that 'hot action', just watch porn, leave the actual SHOW to the rest of us.
No offense Leah, I don't mean to fly off the handle but I was just LIVID when they pissed away a good 10 minutes of time where we could have seen so much more show. Augh!!! They already cut out a good 17 minutes because of lame-ass commercials!!
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Oh yeah, it went on way too long and *everytime* I watch this $#%$ show I think, last time untill the Black Smoke of Doom is explained...
They could have had sultry look-makeout-clothes off-fade out bam bam bam, 20 seconds and made some sort of rote effort to include the million other characters we haven't seen forever in the show...but they had to have the Kate/Sawyer. At some point the sexual tension just causes the line of continuity to snap if it isn't resolved.
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PUN, really. Is there ever a post where you're not a jerk? Seriously--you're starting to make me look nice and sensitive.
What seemed like 10 minutes to you was actually more like, what, 1? Or are you counting every minute Kate and Sawyer appeared on the show?
Look at this way--the minute that Kate and Sawyer were making out gave them less time to introduce new questions that won't get answered for three years.
Personally, I think if I were stranded on an island with Kate, there'd be a whole lot more lovin' than we've yet seen in the show.
In fact, it's almost gotten to the point where it just seems so contrived that two people so obviously atracted to each other and have so many opportunities to express that haven't really done so until now, almost three months into their Hanso Vacation.
quote:People want to know what's going on on the island, not whether or not character A has sex with character B
Enough people watch the show because they enjoy the character relationships in addition to the mystery that if all you want is questions and answers, then maybe you should watch another show.
If not for the deep characterization we've grown to love (and hate, apparently), this show would be long gone.
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quote:In fact, it's almost gotten to the point where it just seems so contrived that two people so obviously attracted to each other and have so many opportunities to express that haven't really done so until now, almost three months into their Hanso Vacation.
A. Neither of them are very good with telling the truth and expressing themselves. B. Both of them have had other relationships in very badly.
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There's nothing wrong with character building and relationships, but when a FALL FINALE episode wastes 10 minutes (get your watch checked) on a retarded sex scene that accomplishes what everyone ALREADY KNOWS -that's just asinine. Defending that sort of BS is even more so.
If you're watching show for worthless sex-scenes that accomplish nothing but to make the show they are featured in even worse than it already is- then I would like to take this oppertunity to let you know that Sex and the City has been released on DVD. It seems more to your liking.
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quote:There's nothing wrong with character building and relationships, but when a FALL FINALE episode wastes 10 minutes (get your watch checked)
If it *happens* (and the writers say it does), then it has to be told. Only 9 of those minutes (if it *was* 10 total), max, could be considered waste no matter how much you hate all the characters.
quote:on a retarded
Really? Did you go there?
quote:sex scene that accomplishes what everyone ALREADY KNOWS
Wait, you KNEW that they had sex this episdoe and you didn't leak the spoilers? That's just mean. Yo, PUN- being sexually attracted and having sex is very different. For example, after Nathan Fillion and I get it on our relationship will be very changed (partially in that I will have met him).
quote:-that's just asinine. Defending that sort of BS is even more so.
Chill out. It's that kind of show. What do you do during the flashback scenes, tune out and read Dostoyevsky?
quote:If you're watching show for worthless sex-scenes that accomplish nothing but to make the show they are featured in even worse than it already is
Why are you posting in this thread? And why are you watching this show? I ask not as a challenge, but to understand. Seriously. I don't particularly like BSG and only watch it when I'm sick, so I don't *read* that thread.
quote:- then I would like to take this oppertunity to let you know that Sex and the City has been released on DVD. It seems more to your liking.
Ooh, cheap shots! Do you like watching the O'Reilley Factor?
*********************************************** Hey, I just did one of those pick-apart posts for the first time! How'd I do, everybody? (edit: obviously not very well because my brackets were all wonky. fixed now!)
Hmm. I should sleep now.
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quote:Originally posted by Princess Leah: It also excuses Jack's change from "useless unquestioning guy in cell" to "character I almost started liking again". I mean, seeing his true love snuggling with Kate like that...gotta make a guy start taking risks.
I'm guessing this wasn't intentional, but it made me laugh pretty hard. Posts: 3950 | Registered: Mar 2006
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are you saying you haven't seen the hints? I thought they were pretty obvious. The sexual tension is unbearable.
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I don't get why Kate's first words weren't "Jack they have a gun to Sawyer's head and we're stuck on an island."
Hooray for cryptic drama and all, but a little touch of reality every now and then wouldn't hurt anyone. Jack's sacrifice is useless if Kate and Sawyer can't actually go anywhere. And now we get to wait three months to find out where this leads to.
I'm seriously contemplating not watching when the show comes back on.
What happened to Michael? What are the people on the beach doing, just hanging around? When are Lock and the others going to get off their lazy butts and DO something? I thought the go north quote thing from the Jesus Stick might be a clue to Lock as to where The Others' commune is, but who knows? What'll happen to Team Stupid on the other island?
All of these were questions that have existed since the first episode, and none of them have been answered in the last however many episodes. I'll "anxiously" await the first episode of the next season, but unless I get something huge, unless they toss me a BIG bone, I'm done watching.
Lost operates on a carrot and stick method of keeping people interested, and I'm having a major beta carotene deficiency at the moment.
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I was so happy when Mal was on the show!! There's still a lot of questions but I think this episode was the best one in a long time. I do kind of wish we knew what happened to Michael. Is there anything that says his actor is off the show? (libertygirl again...I really need to log Strangelove off this computer)
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quote:but when a FALL FINALE episode wastes 10 minutes (get your watch checked)
Just checked my DVR, and it was indeed 1 minute. If you count the entire sequence, starting when Kate climbs out of her cage and Sawyer tells her about being on another island, it takes a full three minutes.
If a 1 minute "sex" scene is making you so uncomfortable as to feel that it takes up 10, maybe you should close your eyes. It's really not a kids' show, anyway.
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If a 1 minute "sex" scene is making you so uncomfortable as to feel that it takes up 10, maybe you should close your eyes. It's really not a kids' show, anyway.
lol you're retarded. I didnt say it made me uncomfortable, I said it was needless and retarded. No one needs to SEE that, what we need is more SHOW and less filler.
If you're content with filler and kissy kissy scenes, thats fine - me, I'm not so simpleminded.
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Can you not use 'retarded' as an insult? And maybe...I dunno, try not being insulting? Because you may find that more people are more likely to count your opinion as valid if you don't dismiss them as simpleminded. Similarly to how I might be thinking more about your opinion if I hadn't already dismissed you as a troll.
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quote:Originally posted by Dr Strangelove: I was so happy when Mal was on the show!! There's still a lot of questions but I think this episode was the best one in a long time. I do kind of wish we knew what happened to Michael. Is there anything that says his actor is off the show? (libertygirl again...I really need to log Strangelove off this computer)
Michael and walt seem to have gotten a free ticket off the island at the end of Season 2. They left in a boat, remember? I think the fact that walt was growing to fast for the real-time show, and the fact that the guy who played Michael was worthless and no one even liked him, the character left the island and so now he's gone.
The only good thing michael ever accomplished was killing that MAN michelle rodriguez.
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Personally, I'm glad we haven't seen Michael. Once he left, I figured we were done with him, and I was glad that we were. I just have this feeling that he was beyond redemption at this point. That's probably just my feeling at the moment though; I know I have several friends who want him to come back and save everyone or something.
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Mighty cow, the Jack/Sawyer in my post was totally intentional.
No, there've been no signs that Jack OR Sawyer are gay, but what is internet fandom for?
In all seriousness, I think Jack and Sawyer have a LOT more chemistry than Jack and Kate (not much more than Kate and Sawyer, though). When they're having thier power struggles on the beach back in Seasons 1 and 2, getting in each others' faces...
For me, slashy fandom is all about expectations. If a man and a woman acted towards each other the way Jack and Sawyer do, everyone would assume they're going to be a couple, or at least a love drama. I just find speculation more fun when there's more to speculate on. Maybe Sawyer and Jack are both gay, or bisexual. I mean, there's what, 40 people, so about 20 men, which means it's statisticly likely that 2 of them are gay. I have decided that it's Jack and Sawyer, because they're perfect for each other. Each one an *$$ in his own special way. Kate doesn't deserve either of them (or at least not in 1&2, Sawyer's starting to sort of redeem himself this season), but I think they deserve each other. Plus it would be omg totalli hott!!!111!!!
I understand people who don't dig the soap opera facet of Lost. I get pretty frustrated with it sometimes. Lost's mysteries are being revealed reaaaaaally slowly this season and I'm getting impatient, and what are all the other Losties doing back at the beach? But: It's that kind of show. I mean, they have a mind-reading BLACKSMOKECOLUMN OF DOOM! Supposedly designed in the '80s! If you want a show free of drama...don't watch TV. Ever. Posts: 866 | Registered: Dec 2003
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In the spirit of OSC, i feel the need to say that "me, I'm not so simpleminded" is a sentence never uttered except to prove its own inaccuracy.
Why do I bother arguing with children? Maybe I am "retarded". I'll stop now.
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That said, I was pretty disappointed with this episode. It was said some things were going to get cleared up before the hiatus, but nothing really did.
I did enjoy Alex and her slingshot, though. When the alarm first sounded, I thought that Rousseau had made it to the island with a shotgun in tow. I think the slingshot was cooler, though. Possibly because I'm rereading the Dark Tower and I'm just finishing Wizard and Glass, where Cuthbert cleans house with his.
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ABC said we would find out by the end of the fall finale why the survivors survived. They lied. No significant answers have been provided in this set of 6 episodes. In fact, they've raised more questions than they have answered.
I enjoy the characters, the drama, and the mysteries but if they don't start providing some hard answers to at least some questions this season, then I for one will stop believing they have any.
I think its a breach of story teller ethics to introduce a mystery without having a resolution to it.
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Right after Ben goes under the knife, when Danny and the kid are heading out to shoot Sawyer, Danny says "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list".
Since Ben calls Ethan, Ethan in the season opener, we can't assume that Jacob was Ethan's real name. Is the new guy on the beach who accompanies Locke to the hatch named "Jacob" by any chance.
How is it that they didn't manage to identify Jacob as an other with the passenger manifest?
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Maybe Goodwin's first name is Jacob. Though that wouldn't explain why Jack would be expected to be on his list, since Jack isn't a tailie.
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quote:Originally posted by Princess Leah: Mighty cow, the Jack/Sawyer in my post was totally intentional.
No, there've been no signs that Jack OR Sawyer are gay, but what is internet fandom for?
In all seriousness, I think Jack and Sawyer have a LOT more chemistry than Jack and Kate (not much more than Kate and Sawyer, though). When they're having thier power struggles on the beach back in Seasons 1 and 2, getting in each others' faces...
For me, slashy fandom is all about expectations. If a man and a woman acted towards each other the way Jack and Sawyer do, everyone would assume they're going to be a couple, or at least a love drama. I just find speculation more fun when there's more to speculate on. Maybe Sawyer and Jack are both gay, or bisexual. I mean, there's what, 40 people, so about 20 men, which means it's statisticly likely that 2 of them are gay. I have decided that it's Jack and Sawyer, because they're perfect for each other. Each one an *$$ in his own special way. Kate doesn't deserve either of them (or at least not in 1&2, Sawyer's starting to sort of redeem himself this season), but I think they deserve each other. Plus it would be omg totalli hott!!!111!!!
I understand people who don't dig the soap opera facet of Lost. I get pretty frustrated with it sometimes. Lost's mysteries are being revealed reaaaaaally slowly this season and I'm getting impatient, and what are all the other Losties doing back at the beach? But: It's that kind of show. I mean, they have a mind-reading BLACKSMOKECOLUMN OF DOOM! Supposedly designed in the '80s! If you want a show free of drama...don't watch TV. Ever.
quote:Originally posted by pfresh85: Personally, I'm glad we haven't seen Michael. Once he left, I figured we were done with him, and I was glad that we were. I just have this feeling that he was beyond redemption at this point. That's probably just my feeling at the moment though; I know I have several friends who want him to come back and save everyone or something.
I think he was beyond redemption myself, but the problem with that whole story line, is didn't he kill Libby and Anna Lucia like a week or two ago in Lost Time? Everyone seems to have gotten over it fairly well. If not for Locke's comment about there having been "too many funerals lately," I'd have thought they'd forgotten about the dead entirely.
Michael's storyline was tragic I think. The man was trying his best just to be a father, and he was obviously willing to kill to do so, which makes him tortured, in a sense, as well I think. But Walt leaves a lot of unaswered questions. What did the Others want with him? Did they just want a child to raise, like they did with the Rousseau's daughter? Or did they know about Walt's oddness? And speaking of which, what the hell is up with Walt having any sort of special abilities? If they really do leave Michael and Walt off entirely, then I'm going to stop watching the show. Not because I really want to very much to know what happened to them, but because their willingness to throw mysteries at me with absolutely zero intention of resolving them leads me to believe that they will do the same with plot lines I actually might care about.
And while Michael might be beyond forgiveness for his crimes. I still liked him, it wasn't an episode of Lost for me if I didn't hear him scream "WALT!!! WAAALLLLTT!!" at least once.
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quote: Not because I really want to very much to know what happened to them, but because their willingness to throw mysteries at me with absolutely zero intention of resolving them leads me to believe that they will do the same with plot lines I actually might care about.
It would also leave us with a major incongruity. When Desmond tried to leave the island following a compass course, he ended up back at the Island. When Ben learns that Sayid et al have a sailboat, he says "So let them sail in circles". These contradict Ben's telling Michael to sail a straight compass course and he "will find rescue."
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I don't know. I think the problem Desmond had was he was just attempting to sail away and was more or less kept on/near the island. I don't recall them saying he was following the specific compass course out of there. The fact that the Others gave Michael a very specific course to go out on indicated to me that that was the one path out, that going any other way would just result in you going back to the island. Thus the "let them sail in circles" comment would make sense, since it would be a very low chance that Sayid et al would hit the exact course needed to escape and would just go around in circles. I could be totally wrong, this was just how I interpreted it.
I agree Michael's storyline was tragic and all. I just never liked him too much as a character. He was fine in the first season and was right up there with the rest of the characters in my opinion. The whole second season he just got on my nerves. I'm not sure what it was, but something bugged me about him and the way he took action to try and get his son back. By the time he left at the end of season 2, I was thankful he was gone.
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quote: Not because I really want to very much to know what happened to them, but because their willingness to throw mysteries at me with absolutely zero intention of resolving them leads me to believe that they will do the same with plot lines I actually might care about.
It would also leave us with a major incongruity. When Desmond tried to leave the island following a compass course, he ended up back at the Island. When Ben learns that Sayid et al have a sailboat, he says "So let them sail in circles". These contradict Ben's telling Michael to sail a straight compass course and he "will find rescue."
I think they opened a port for Michael and Walt to use. That's why they were specific about the direction. Lacking that, you'll just sail around in circles.
[Edit: er... or what pfresh said.]
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Michael took the position that their was only his side, not the Others, not the Crash Group. He went out on his own in a major screw-up, was captured and without any torture or particular mistreatment he was turned enough to commit a pair of murders. He then walked away with his prize for treachery. I think he is unredeemable, the fact that he took to murder so quick suggests that he was never a very nice guy.
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The show is starting to read like a John Fowles novel, without the writing skill.
I don't think they have a clue where they are going with this show anymore.
Was no one disturbed by the fact that Kate and Sawyer's love scene was(ugh) watched by the creepy Others?
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quote:I think he is unredeemable, the fact that he took to murder so quick suggests that he was never a very nice guy.
I didn't care much for Micheal but I have to say that as a parent who would do anything to protect her children, I could totally see how he could jump so quickly to murder to protect his child from a hostile threat.
Ya Elizabeth, I was icked out by that thought.
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Also, can this please be a thread where we don't have nasty arguments with each other? It is a discussion about a tv show, for Pete's sake.
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I couldn't believe that Kate and Sawyer just stayed in their cages. You can get it on in the jungle. You're free, escape! The other island is in sight, grab some logs and raft your lazy butts over there. Heck, a strong swimmer could make it if her life depended on it.
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quote:Heck, a strong swimmer could make it if her life depended on it.
I was thinking the same thing. Sawyer says it's a couple miles. When I was 12 and in Boy Scouts, to get my swimming merit badge we had to swim a mile.
And my life certainly didn't depend on it. I'll bet I could do a few without drowning. All you really need to know is how to float.
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