quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: It does. But I still wonder how he managed to talk to him after he was dead.
Well, no one knows what happens after death. If he can enter into people's dreams, maybe his consciousness is just chillin' out in other people's minds even though his body is dead.
Or maybe Peter imagined it, and it wasn't true communication.
Or maybe he's an angel.
I still don't believe Sylar has the Shanti Virus. The virus has more side-effects than simple loss of powers. It makes people physically sick, and from my understanding, kills them pretty quickly. Sylar has been alive too long without powers and has yet to show other symptoms. I still maintain that brain-damage made him lose his powers.
I'm not sure when Claire's power manifested, but I recall the company saying that Noah only got to keep her until her powers manifested, at which point she would return to the company. I don't think she had her abilities at birth.
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quote:Just because Claire survived a fire as a baby
Actually, Claire survived because her father (HRG, not Nathan) removed her from the burning building. At least, that's what happened in the comic book version -- he and Claude went to bag-and-tag Claire's mother, and she set the place on fire. He had to rescue Claire.
We don't know exactly when Claire manifested her powers. We do know that she first became aware of them last season. We do know that Matt first manifested his mind reading ability the day he found Molly in hiding in the closet. We know that Ted first manifested his radioactivity as an adult. Hiro first manifested his ability in the shows premier. Nathans ability to fly seemed to appear . So we know that many peoples abilities don't manifest until they are adults. We also know that Micah and Molly, who I would estimate to be around 10, have abilities that have already manifested.
Bottom line is that peoples genetic abilities can manifest themselves in childhood or adulthood and seem to get stronger over time. Adams ability may very well have manifested only shortly before he was hit with the arrow. I wonder if the powers manifest naturally as part of the maturation process which is just a bit different in every individual or if there is some environmental stimulus that causes the abilities to manifest.
Has anyone else noticed that Adam's ability seems to be a bit different than Claire's. When Claire was shot, she collapsed and it took her sometime to recover. She had to spit out the bullet before she was fully OK. When Adam was run through with a sword, he seemed just fine even with the sword sticking straight through him.
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quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: It does. But I still wonder how he managed to talk to him after he was dead.
I don't think he was talking to Charles Deveaux after he was dead. Peter had traveled back in time and was talking to him in the past.
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"I wonder if the powers manifest naturally as part of the maturation process which is just a bit different in every individual or if there is some environmental stimulus that causes the abilities to manifest."
An environmental stimulus like, say, a lethal wound on a guy whose latent power is recovering from such a thing?
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I think you guys are reading too much into the Adam vs Claire regeneration thing. I think they're identical in power. In Claire's case with the shooting, it was important to the story that she get out of sight of Ted before she regenerated, so they made as if it would take a while. In Adam's case getting run through, they just wanted him to have a chance at a witty one-liner (something like "I know, it's really unfair."). Besides, Adam didn't get up right away after he was shot with Arrows. It probably has more to do with the Shock of the incident than the actual injury. If they KNOW what's going to happen, then they can probably ignore the initial reflex of falling or whatever.
Edit: Oh, about the Dueveax (sp?) thing. I think his is the dream power, just like that kid in India that Mohinder and his father consulted. The interaction with Peter after his death is just another effect of the power.
What I'm REALLY wondering is what Mrs. Petrelli's, and Bob's powers are. I'm wondering if maybe they hinted at something when Peter regained his memories of her (did he get his OTHER memories back too?) after he met with her in the future.
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quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: An environmental stimulus like, say, a lethal wound on a guy whose latent power is recovering from such a thing?
I was speculating about something more general. Perhaps a case of the flu, exposure to a chemical, an ionic storm, a heat wave, or perhaps an solar eclipse. I think the question is relevent because so many of our Heroes first started exibiting powers about 6 months before the pilot episode. Its worth noting that there was a total solar eclipse about that time, March 29, 2006 and there was a solar eclipse in ancient Japan before Adam/Kensei began exibiting powers.
I recognize that there is no logical reason for evolution of a trait that is triggered by an eclipse, but I think that point is as moot as the point that no genetic mutation could logically cause someone to exploid like a nuclear bomb, defy gravity, read minds or stop the flow of time.
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slvrdragon: Both claire and Peter can not recover if an object is in them. The samurai dude does it effortlessly.
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quote:Originally posted by cmc: Random comment: It's a little off putting when your name suddenly finds a way into (pretty much) the only television show you try to watch every week.
quote:Also, Bob turns things into gold. He's "private funding" for the Company.
I'd be very surprised if this was the limit of his power. I'd imagine all sorts of molecular transformations are within his skill. This would make his power go from underwhelming to devastatingly powerful.
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It seems that many of the powers start out relatively small and then grow into something bigger. Do you suppose that this is true with all of the powers? If so, do you think that the powers reach some plateau or just keep expanding? If Adam really has been alive for hundreds of years, how might his powers have grown over that time?
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Rabbit, I imagine it would. I mean, one of the themes is evolution, right? For evolved powers to evolve more is only fitting.
Xavier, so you're saying he has the same power as that Zane guy? The one who could liquefy things? It'd be interesting if he could change molecular composition just by touch. Very devastating indeed.
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I think Bob's power is just to change elements, not molecular composition. I know that other people's powers seem to evolve, but I just don't see how healing can really go any further, other than work faster.
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I'm almost up to where people say the second season starts to get its act together.
I'm hardly even watching it at this point. I just do homework with the show playing in the background and look over occasionally when it hits some parts.
Kring was planning on rewriting the season finale to go along with the whole "we're not as bad writers as you thought" thing... because of the strike he isn't rewriting it. Ughh.
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I currently see nothing wrong with the show, your all crazy.
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quote:I think Bob's power is just to change elements, not molecular composition.
But if you change all the Oxygen in water to Nitrogen, wouldn't the molecular composition be changed?
It may be that Bob can only do this for "pure" elements. We've seen him change a fork though. I'd imagine that fork was some form of Aluminum composite. If it was Silver, I could buy that.
It still makes his power pretty impressive.
quote:Xavier, so you're saying he has the same power as that Zane guy? The one who could liquefy things?
That guys power was so lame, in the way it was presented. "I can turn metal into a puddle on the floor". If I were Sylar, I'd debate even bothering to take it.
Kind of like Bob's power though, we can probably extract a greater power from the demonstrated ability. It was almost like he could change the state of matter from solid to plasma temporarily. Those puddles went back to solid on the floor, right?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Zane's demonstrated ability was a subset of what Bob can do.
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quote: * The name "alchemy" comes from Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite, who used the term to decribe Bob's power in a CBR Q&A interview. * Though Bob has only been seen to turn an ordinary spoon into gold, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite confirmed that he can transmute materials into substances other than gold.
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Zane's power was not lame (although the way it was presented made it seem kind of useless). When Sylar grabbed Hiro's sword last season, he chose to freeze it and break it. I really expected him to just liquefy it. Same thing when he was stabbed. I guess that wouldn't have helped him to live, and would have ruined an important object in the story, but seeing the shock on someones face as their sword turns into a worthless puddle would be priceless.
Also, it would be fun to just walk up to a tank or building or other object made primarily of metal and just... liquefy it.
On the floor of his room, we saw a partially liquefied plastic phone, and Sylar melted all of a toaster pretty quickly, so I don't think his power was limited just to metal. Not that it matters, he's dead and Sylar can't use his power anymore.
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The only time my first name has ever come up was when we watched a documentary on the Donner party in school. Since my first name is pretty unique, it stood out for everyone there and so I got a lot of comments for several years on that. And the name technically wasn't the same as mine. I add a pronounced e so there is a whole syllable different.
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I forgot about Bob turning that fork to gold. Thanks for the reminder.
To clarify (no pun intended), Peter and Claire weren't able to regenerate when something was lodged in their BRAINS, not necessarily in them period.
As per the Sylar discussion regarding the right power at the right time; it seems that neither he, nor Peter have any CLUE which power is appropriate to use at what time. Of course... once Peter got Hiro's power, everything else just became a luxury. Well, I suppose Matt's and Invisible Man's (forgot his name) are good for gathering real-time information, but as far as Offense and Defense go, you don't really need anything more than the ability to control time and space...
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Well, there was a movie and book that were slightly awkward... but more awkward is telling people that I spell my name like the movie and getting blank stares in return.
Do people really not know the movie "Carrie"?
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quote:I'm just wondering if the rules of the paintings is that they have to come true, just not in the way we expect them to.
From TV Guide:
quote:"Every painting we've had on Heroes has come true," says the show's creator, Tim Kring. "But don't forget, sometimes the true meaning of a painting has been misinterpreted."
Which means that in each case we shouldn't be expecting anyone to change the future, instead we should be guessing how the painting is misinterpreted.
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Yes, I seem to recall Hiro standing in front of what appears to be a live dinosaur, in the wild, holding a sword. Only when that painting came true, Hiro wasn't in the wild, and the dinosaur was just a replica.
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What really makes me nervous is the fact that there's an actress with a full name that sounds like mine. She spells it wrong, but I'm going to be in for a lot of headaches if she becomes too famous.
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My name's Jenny, and I have long fair hair, and the Forrest Gump jokes never, ever, ever seem to get old. Ever.
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There was a black gospel singer who essentially had my name and then got shot dead while naked in a hotel hallway. But that was in the 70's so I don't get the headaches I otherwise would.
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I actually found someone online with my name. For the first time ever. I thought I was the only one in the world. There was even a picture. Thank goodness there was no resemblance.
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quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: Hey! I called it:
quote:I'm just wondering if the rules of the paintings is that they have to come true, just not in the way we expect them to.
From TV Guide:
quote:"Every painting we've had on Heroes has come true," says the show's creator, Tim Kring. "But don't forget, sometimes the true meaning of a painting has been misinterpreted."
Which means that in each case we shouldn't be expecting anyone to change the future, instead we should be guessing how the painting is misinterpreted.
If Tim Kring said that, then he's got a serious problem with the paintings of the nuked New York. Unless you count the alternative future episodes, the nuked New York hasn't come true. There are probably some others too, like the painting of Nathan as POTUS.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If Tim Kring said that, then he's got a serious problem with the paintings of the nuked New York. Unless you count the alternative future episodes, the nuked New York hasn't come true. There are probably some others too, like the painting of Nathan as POTUS.
There was no painting of Nathan as POTUS. There was a painting of Sylar, using the powers he must have stolen from Candice to make himself look like Nathan, as POTUS.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If Tim Kring said that, then he's got a serious problem with the paintings of the nuked New York. Unless you count the alternative future episodes, the nuked New York hasn't come true. There are probably some others too, like the painting of Nathan as POTUS.
There was no painting of Nathan as POTUS. There was a painting of Sylar, using the powers he must have stolen from Candice to make himself look like Nathan, as POTUS.
Whatever. It still hasn't happened except in the alternative timeline and doesn't appear likely to happen on this time line.
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My first and last name are encapsulated in the famous author Barbera Taylor Bradford's name. It was weird the first time I saw a book by her.
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There is a moderately famous Welsh pop/rock singer who goes by my name. (I was given the name as a baby and she assumed it as an adult. I think she should have to pay me royalties for the use of my name.)
She is much better known in Germany and the UK than in the US. When I'm in Germany during the summers I always get a dozen or more comments about my name and the singer. In the US, people make the connection far less often.
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I think it's cheap for you to be able to paint the future -- only alternative futures. I mean, in theory anything could happen, so the whole power is worthless. It must actually be that you paint what is most likely to become the future.
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Agreed Phanto. The whole point of saying that every painting comes true is the implication that once events have been painted they can't be changed. If they happen on an alternative time line, then clearly they can be changed.
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