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One quick question from a non-fan: Do you guys still believe that the writers have some sort of grand vision? Or do not care and are just going for the ride anyway?
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I have come to be angry at the show. It is horrible -- both the anger, and the show. (Why won't anything HAPPEN??!!?) But I still watch every episode on the wild hope that the writers might have a grand vision.
It's a fool's hope, though, if season two and (so far) season three are any indication.
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I mean. I mean could Lost really have aired an episode in which one of the two main plots hinged on a game of ping-pong with a humorous outcome?
What planet is this?
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quote:Originally posted by TL: I have come to be angry at the show. It is horrible -- both the anger, and the show. (Why won't anything HAPPEN??!!?) But I still watch every episode on the wild hope that the writers might have a grand vision.
It's a fool's hope, though, if season two and (so far) season three are any indication.
One recalls the running consipiracy plot in "The X-Files." But you know, at least the substance of that show's run was mostly episodic and unconcerned with that particular plot thread. It didn't matter at the end that not much was resolved.
Will we be able to say the same for Lost if it ends after next season?
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quote:Originally posted by the_Somalian: One quick question from a non-fan: Do you guys still believe that the writers have some sort of grand vision? Or do not care and are just going for the ride anyway?
I think they have a basic idea. Some details may be subject to change from time to time, but I think they have a concept they're following.
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I believe that they have some big idea, but the details can change as they go along. I know I read in an interview with one of the writers (I think it was in an issue of Wizard) that they had a definite plot that would last them for four or five seasons, and they were concerned that if Lost was still really popular at that point that they wouldn't be able to end it the way they wanted to.
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Woo, two posts in a row. I really enjoyed tonight's episode, and I liked seeing how Locke's paralysis was related to his other flashbacks. I thought it was pretty good.
I'm curious to others' opinions on the box that Ben was talking about. I expected Locke's father would be the result Ben was talking about (even before he went into his talk of "how it felt"). I was thinking that maybe the box goes into subconscious stuff and pulls stuff out. That would explain some of the things people have seen (like the horse and that one guy in the suit or whatever). Of course, I could be way off.
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It amazes me that after how many times Locke has been taken in, he still falls for it EVERY SINGLE TIME. That man has zero capacity to learn.
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I was waiting for the cop to mention that one of Locke's father's previous aliases had been Frank Sawyer.
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I thought it was fairly obvious, actually. Ford/Sawyer learned his con techniques from the original Sawyer. And they both used the "Oops, I didn't mean for you to see that" draw. Locke's father looks to be the right age to have been a young man when Ford/Sawyer was a kid.
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You remember when Hurley was in a meeting and some guy fell past the window? That was probably Locke.
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My heart broke for Danielle as she watched her daughter. Hopefully after Sayid's comments, the daughters heart will question and wonder enough so that when Danielle does confront her, she'll be open to it. I'm a sucker for relationships to work.
I also like what everyone has to say about the episode, since it seems that everyone takes something different away from it everytime. Interesting.
From the last few episodes I was beginning to wonder if Locke was an "other" plant (because he was doing bizarre thing) so I'm glad to see that he's not.
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That's kind of my point...it's been laying out there for three seasons and the connection makes so much sense. Now I just hope it's true.
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quote:Originally posted by kojabu: You remember when Hurley was in a meeting and some guy fell past the window? That was probably Locke.
Holy crow. Does the time work out? This was 4 years before Oceanic 815 went down (Ben said Locke was in a wheelchair for 4 years). How long before the crash did that scene with Hurley happen?
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The guy falling was screaming, and facing down. Locke fell silently with shattered glass all around him and was facing up. It would have been interesting, though.
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Nah, that happened at the most a year before the crash... more likely months. Doesn't fit. And Hurley was in an office building, while Locke and PopLocke were in an apartment building or hotel.
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quote:It amazes me that after how many times Locke has been taken in, he still falls for it EVERY SINGLE TIME. That man has zero capacity to learn.
John is nothing if not consistent. Watching him play with the chess-computer was hysterical. Does the man not know to stay away from buttons??
And I saw the window thing coming from a mile away. John has about an inch of foresight.
And I still don't think his reasons for blowing up the submarine make alot of sense. Is he so self-absorbed he wouldn't let his fellow Castaways get off the island? I really liked Locke until this season. Course, after what he's been through, I can't blame him for being a crazy bastard.
Great acting though. The terror in his eyes as he was lowered into the wheelchair...woah!
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quote:Originally posted by Shannon: And I still don't think his reasons for blowing up the submarine make alot of sense. Is he so self-absorbed he wouldn't let his fellow Castaways get off the island?
Yes, he is. He is a zealot. He believes in The Island so much that he is willing ruin the chances of rescue because he thinks The Island is better. I do understand the roots of his zealotry. It healed him, and he thinks that it can save everyone. In Locke's mind, this is better, and maybe it is.
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We got to see Ethan, for no reason. We got to see Ben exposing his methods, as if we didn't already know them. About the only way the plot moved forward at all was Sun finding out about what Charlie and Sawyer did to her. That's it.
Oh, and the fact that they now have one of the Others' walkie talkies. Which might actually come in useful at some point.
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I hope this isn't what the writers meant when they said Nikki and Palo (that's his name, right?) had a larger role later in the season. If that's the case, what a lame hype up.
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Unless they do. Who knows what Paolo did with that walkie while he had it, right? They may be dead, but they could figure in flashbacks, and we'd need this ep as a setup.
Just giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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I thought the ending was awesome, even if I saw it coming. I mean, the spider was just too obvious to miss. Still, I would rather learn more about characters that we're already invested in rather than learn rather ridiculous facts about Nikki and Paulo.
I agree with Lisa that they didn't further the plot any. But then again, what exactly did the ping pong game do to further the plot? I think it's just that they've killed off so many great characters *cough* Eko *cough* that they need to add some new characters just to keep up the diversity. I think that's partly what the others were for.
Still, I want to know what the heck happened to Locke with his father. How did he get on the island?!? The other side of the island is so much more intriguing right now.
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That ending was awesome! I also thought the episode was ok, if a bit slow for this late in the season. Also, perhaps we haven't seen the end of Nikki and Paolo? This is the magical island afterall, so I could even see them still being alive.
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It's not the end of Nikki and Paulo. I know for a fact that they come back. Still, being buried alive is pretty cool. You have to at least give me that.
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quote:Originally posted by Evie3217: I thought the ending was awesome, even if I saw it coming. I mean, the spider was just too obvious to miss.
<nod> It was the "gun in the first act". Though I wasn't thinking very clearly, 'cause I'm sick, so I didn't realize it only paralyzed them until Nikki said it.
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quote:Originally posted by Evie3217: I know for a fact that they come back.
How? Both how do you know, and how do they come back? After all, both Boone and Shannon are dead for real, and they were back in this ep.
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I read in Entertainment Weekly that the creators have some "grand vision" for Nikki and Paulo and there was a reason that they brought them onto the show. That does NOT mean killing them within the first 5 episodes that they're on. Plus, they wouldn't just leave this loose end. If they just die, and that's it, then there's this whole great plot point just sitting out there. They HAVE to capitalize on the story.
And it's not just flashbacks. I'm pretty sure they're going to add something to the plot on the island. I have no idea how, but it's going to happen.
Now, I'm not saying that I actually LIKE these guys. They annoy me to the extreme. Although, I have to say that Paulo is growing on me. But Nikki just bugs me. I wish they would die, but I doubt it.
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I don't see any reason why every episode has to further the overall plot. Some of my favorite episodes are just character stories that go nowhere in terms of the others or the island or rescue. I enjoyed the story, and I thought it was neat how those two and Artz were given some additional depth in terms of what they were doing in season 1 while the show focused on the main characters.
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Also, and I just got this from reading an online article at the Entertainment Weekly website, Locke distinctly said that nothing stays buried on the beach. There has GOT to be a reason for that line. Perhaps the rainstorm that we saw in the next episode with Juliet and Kate fighting washes away the grave. That would make sense, wouldn't it?
Btw, sorry for the double post.
Edit: one more thing, the dog (I forget his name) KNEW that they weren't dead. He pulled the blanket off them, remember? So, maybe he digs them up or something.
Also, I can guarantee you that they're somehow "changed" when they come back up. Probably not to the extreme that Desmond changed, but there will be a difference.
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quote:Originally posted by Evie3217: I read in Entertainment Weekly that the creators have some "grand vision" for Nikki and Paulo and there was a reason that they brought them onto the show. That does NOT mean killing them within the first 5 episodes that they're on. Plus, they wouldn't just leave this loose end. If they just die, and that's it, then there's this whole great plot point just sitting out there. They HAVE to capitalize on the story.
And it's not just flashbacks. I'm pretty sure they're going to add something to the plot on the island. I have no idea how, but it's going to happen.
Now, I'm not saying that I actually LIKE these guys. They annoy me to the extreme. Although, I have to say that Paulo is growing on me. But Nikki just bugs me. I wish they would die, but I doubt it.
Yeah, this is what I heard in the a similar interview in Toyfare/Wizard. They said they had some large role, which is why I said I'd be disappointed (particularly with the over-hype) if this was the end of them. My guess is we'll see them again though.
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quote:Originally posted by Evie3217: Also, I can guarantee you that they're somehow "changed" when they come back up. Probably not to the extreme that Desmond changed, but there will be a difference.
quote:Originally posted by Evie3217: Also, I can guarantee you that they're somehow "changed" when they come back up. Probably not to the extreme that Desmond changed, but there will be a difference.
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