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It seems safe to assume that Mr. Bennett has no powers. The Haitian is the one who can block powers -- I wonder if it is some kind of offshoot of his ability to wipe memories.
I just want to say, though, now that I've had my moment of gloating triumph, that this episode is the slowest since the beginning. The last few seconds were the most interesting part. Other than that, Peter's working on his powers and Niki/Jessie got out of prison. As for Hiro and his father...that didn't turn out to be very interesting, IMHO. A shame, I usually really like the parts with Hiro and Ando. This felt like a useless interruption that didn't further the plot in any way.
Hopefully, next week will make up for it. A lot of the plotlines are on the brink of having something interesting happen.
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Is it possible we're asking too much of this show to give us the kind of speed and satisfaction we want every week?
Remember the days when tv shows didn't even have story arcs? We still liked those. Hell, we still DO like those.
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quote:As for Hiro and his father...that didn't turn out to be very interesting, IMHO. A shame, I usually really like the parts with Hiro and Ando. This felt like a useless interruption that didn't further the plot in any way.
I agree. I thought that it was completely and utterly pointless. The resolution was obvious, and all the "drama" from last week turned out to be kinda stupid.
This was probably my least favorite episode yet.
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I may be in the minority here. I liked the Hiro stuff tonight. Then again I'm fascinated by Japanese culture, customs, family relations, and the like. To see how Hiro interacted with his father and his sister and such gave me a bit of a better view into Hiro, who seems to be side stepping Japanese customs/traditions/etc. in order to do what he thinks is right.
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Tease! Mrs. Bennett almost said her husband's name, and they had to interrupt her. They did it on purpose, too. <sulk>
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I really really liked the Peter parts of this episode. I loved where Invisible Dude just slugged him to get him to stop going wacko. That's the Heroes I know and love. The rest was forgettable. I want Hiro to have his powers back!
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I didn't particularly like the Hiro storyline, but I thought George Takei was fantastic. When he first appeared I thought it was kind of funny seeing Sulu in a suit. But by the end of the episode he'd sold his character so well that I forgot I'd ever seen him play anyone else. As bored as I got with the plot, it's kind of disappointing that I won't get to see him develop that character any further.
Other than that, and the novelty value of seeing Dr Who with a scraggly beard, the episode was just okay for me, dog.
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- the reunion between Claire and her mom - Hiro and his dad were funny, plus Hiro is just so cute! - Peter and his developing mad skills (it kind of reminded me a little of Ghost where the old guy's teaching Patrick Swayze) - Where Invisible Man throws Peter off a building and then punches him when Peter starts going beserk - It's Nathan!! Heehee...
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BS: If it helps you any, it says here that he filmed three episodes. I'm guessing that last week's cameo still counted as one, so that still leaves one.
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So who is our pick for the dead person during sweeps? I've read that someone 'important' is going to die...but then that could just be Simone.
I loved last night too, actually. I loved the Peter action and I'm terrified for what's going to happen when Sylar finds out about him. I loved that her father is Nathan and I loved the scenes with Claire and her mom.
And Sylar is just so freaky and fantastic. *shivers* It's so fun to watch.
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I'm a bit ambivalent about Syler right now. I was more interested before he caught him the first time. Now, he is just being overshadowed by the looming threat to New York. Of course, they could tie these two together somehow which would be fantastic.
The Peter stuff last night was ok. I got more of an idea of how his powers worked and I'm interested in this interplay between himself and his mentor. I'd say it was the most interesting subplot going on last night.
Honestly, while I did like the stuff with Claire and her mom there wasn't anything there that we didn't see in the commercials -- which wrecked the whole thing for me.
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Matt will survive the fall, because he is going to be in the next few episodes, and eventually teams up with a Hero we havent seen in a while and another hero who we havent met yet. (If you havent read the graphic novels)
I guess Peter and Claire can't hook up now since Peter is her uncle. Darn.
I still believe Hiro is the samurai he was telling Ando about. The show has a tendancy to overshadow coming events a lot. Hiro tells Ando about the samurai and the sword and how the samurai could move so fast noone saw what was coming. Then right after that Hiro slows down time and looks as though he is moving very quickly. It sort of reminded me of a book I read in my teens called "Eddie Fantastic" by Chris Heimerdinger.
I believe HRG has a power that we dont know about. When Sylar slapped HRG's license up on the glass in the episode, I swear I saw the words "Department of Homeland Security" on there.
Niki just needs to go away. I am sick of her story line, every time she appears I roll my eyes.
Peter only has to remember the person to use their powers? Strange, does this mean he can use all of Sylars powers? Since he is learning how to control his powers, wont he be able to control Ted's power when the time comes?
What would happen if Peter ran into the Haitian? Would the Haitian cancel out Peters power to absorb powers, or would Peter absorb the Haitians power?
My theory? If Peter ran into the Haitian it would result in a black hole. Goodbye world.
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quote:I guess Peter and Claire can't hook up now since Peter is her uncle. Darn.
Ewwww...even if they weren't related, she's 15 and he's 26! Last i checked, that was illegal in all the states. Posts: 2392 | Registered: Sep 2005
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So, I haven't participated in this thread yet, but I have a quick question. If it's already been mentioned in this thread, could someone please direct me to the page?
My brother and I were watching Heroes this week. I've missed several episodes and he was catching me up. He said that it had been made clear that the possesion of powers was familial, because of the brothers, the cheerleader's real family and Niki/Jessie's family. But if this is the case, wouldn't Hiro's family have powers too? Do they? I can't get this to gel in my head, so if anyone can set me straight, I'd appreciate it.
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Won't Nathan be embarrassed when he realizes that he tried to stop his brother from going to save the cheerleader (who ended up being his own daughter)? Haha, can't wait until he finds out.
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Well, there is some talk of there being a genetic marker for special abilities, or some such hoo-ha, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is a blood relative of a Hero has an ability outside the norm. Peter and Nathan's mom doesn't seem to. *shrug*
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Hiro's family DOES have powers. It hasn't been completely explained yet, but it has something to do with a deeper, powerful Japanese dynasty thing. I read about it in TV guide. Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Tease! Mrs. Bennett almost said her husband's name, and they had to interrupt her. They did it on purpose, too. <sulk>
I just froze the screen where Sylar puts HRGs drivers licence up against the window. On the drivers license his name is listed as "Bennet" and his signature is also "Bennet".
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quote:Originally posted by Olivet: Well, there is some talk of there being a genetic marker for special abilities, or some such hoo-ha, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is a blood relative of a Hero has an ability outside the norm. Peter and Nathan's mom doesn't seem to. *shrug*
While the superpowers are definitely genetic, the show has never indicated whether they are dominant or recessive. Its also been suggested that the genes must be (can be?) activated. Its also clear that these genes are recent developements (mutations?) in the human genome. So I would expect that the family connection of super traits need not be 100%. I.E. a child could easily be a "sport", that is have super power genes even though no other family members exhibit the traits.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: I just froze the screen where Sylar puts HRGs drivers licence up against the window. On the drivers license his name is listed as "Bennet" and his signature is also "Bennet".
I just did the same thing... same result. No mention of Homeland Security either.
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Did anyone else notice how it seems like next week Suresh and Sylar are going to ally with each other? Is Suresh an idiot? He's always been one of my favorite characters because he seems intelligent and not given to the afore-mentioned stupid plot devices. But teaming up with Sylar, at least as far as I can see, would be really stupid for Suresh.
Oh, and I found it really interesting also that the first person Isaac called was Bennet. They seemed quite cozy.
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Hiroès family is probably really really smart and is what allows Hiro to bend the space tiem continuim.
his power isnt to directly alter it, its actually the ability to perform the trillion+ calculations per second needed to warp the space time continuim to his will.
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So... no one has mentioned that 1)InvisiWho has had his powers for 15+ years, or that 2)Mr. Bennet knew who he was and was under the impression he was dead?
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Yeah, that too. The last few minutes of this past episode were really good, plus the previews for next week.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Hiroès family is probably really really smart and is what allows Hiro to bend the space tiem continuim.
his power isnt to directly alter it, its actually the ability to perform the trillion+ calculations per second needed to warp the space time continuim to his will.
1. Continuum 2. So the only thing that keeps me from stopping and reversing time right now is that I can't do math in my head fast enough? You totally lost me. Posts: 563 | Registered: Feb 2006
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I hate that Nathan is Claire's dad. I also really hate that they keep calling her biological parents her "real" parents. I feel very strongly that the people who raise you are your real parents.
Didn't Mr. Bennett talk about Claire's birth parents like he had studied both of them? Then why didn't he know about Nathan's powers when he grabbed him in Las Vegas?
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How did Nathan fly when he was in Las Vegas if the Haitian was there blocking his powers? That whole scene smells of the writers wanting to look really cool without really thinking what it would do to the rest of the story.
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isnt quantom physics and all that other crazy stuff how simply alot of really uber math?
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I'm guessing the Haitian has to consciously apply his powers -- which makes sense, otherwise he'd be wiping peoples' memories right and left -- and so didn't block Nathan in time. But it's true, HRG should have known about him, IF he knows who Claire's father is.
I think it's interesting that Claire was born about the same time that the Invisible guy got his powers. Significant to anyone else? When did Jessica die? When did Suresh's dad start researching?
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I got the impression that Bennet knew that Nathan was special, but he doesn't know what the powers are before they manifest. I think I got that out of some of the comics.
Since Nathan is reluctant with his ability, it would make sense that until Bennet saw it, he didn't know what it was.
Also, I agree that the Haitian probably requires some conscious thought to exercise his capabilities. And, there may be some flavors of abilities that he doesn't affect.
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quote:I hate that Nathan is Claire's dad. I also really hate that they keep calling her biological parents her "real" parents. I feel very strongly that the people who raise you are your real parents.
Didn't Mr. Bennett talk about Claire's birth parents like he had studied both of them? Then why didn't he know about Nathan's powers when he grabbed him in Las Vegas?
I don't remember Mr. Bennett saying any such thing, to be honest. He knew her MOTHER and had studied her MOTHER. I'm not sure he ever knew who her father was.
As for the "real" vs. "biological" thing I'm with you -- but don't forget that people do use this terminology and that there may be more to the wording choice by the writers than meets the eye.
quote:How did Nathan fly when he was in Las Vegas if the Haitian was there blocking his powers? That whole scene smells of the writers wanting to look really cool without really thinking what it would do to the rest of the story.
I've been wondering about that for a lon time now. I'm still going to go ahead and give the writers the benefit of the doubt -- for now. There is a lot about this world and these powers that we don't understand yet.
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quote:Originally posted by AvidReader: I hate that Nathan is Claire's dad. I also really hate that they keep calling her biological parents her "real" parents. I feel very strongly that the people who raise you are your real parents.
Under ordinary circumstances I would agree with that statement but these aren't ordinary circumstances. Bennett told Isaac that he had adopted Claire because her parents had been killed as a result of his groups activities. Now we know that this is not true and have every reason to believe that Bennett knew Claire's parents (at very least her father) were still alive. What's more, Bennett admittedly had some role in the accident that made Claire's mother believe she was dead.
So Mr. and Mrs. Bennett "adopted" Claire under extremely suspicious circumstances that might even be described as kidnapping.
Its one thing to say that biological parents who have voluntarily given up their children in adoption shouldn't be considered "real" parents. It is an entirely different to say that biological parents who have had their child taken against their will either by kidnapping or deception shouldn't be considered a childs "real" parents.
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"I've been wondering about that for a lon time now. I'm still going to go ahead and give the writers the benefit of the doubt -- for now. There is a lot about this world and these powers that we don't understand yet."
Ok, guys, remember when Matt was taken to be studied? Mr. Bennett said that the Haitian was the one blocking the powers.
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*Does anyone else find it odd that a super-sophisticated high-tech outfit like Bennett's can't manage to implant tracking devices without leaving highly conspicuous marks?
*I keep wondering if the writers have a real framework for the rules of time travel or if they're making it up as they go along. For example, it struck me that while *our* cheerleader was saved, a cheerleader was still killed. *Every* panel of Isaac's came to pass. There's no evidence that the event played out any differently than they did in Isaac's paintings.
And while Hiro says he can't change the past, he already *has.* He just wasn't able to change what we all agree was a *significant* event. When he went back 6 months, he essentially created a new time track in which Charlie met him long before her death. It's also not clear if people in the current time remember Hiro as the guy from 6 months ago or as the guy who walked in for the first time that day. And of course Ando remembers the first reality but also is aware that people in this reality think of Hiro as someone who became involved with Charlie 6 months ago (come to think of it, you'd think the cops would have wanted a very long talk in an interrogation room with Hiro - as someone who disappeared and then reappeared on the day of her death.)
And I think someone else has mentioned this, but I am really wondering if Hiro himself is the Samurai whose sword he is after. The painting in the museum depicted him with the same hair and little chin hair that future Hiro sported.
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"*I keep wondering if the writers have a real framework for the rules of time travel or if they're making it up as they go along. For example, it struck me that while *our* cheerleader was saved, a cheerleader was still killed. *Every* panel of Isaac's came to pass. There's no evidence that the event played out any differently than they did in Isaac's paintings. "
Yeah, it would be a horrible twist if the cheerleader that did die was the one they were supposed to save. There is no picture saying that it was Claire who died. There was no name given from Hiro.
However, speaking in broader terms, future Hiro pushed Peter in the direction of Texas and had he not been there, Eve and the Haitian wouldn't have been there, Claire would have died, and Sylar would still be free.
So, Hiro's actions have had an effect. Isaac's future meddling, not so much. What he's painted is true to the fact.
Consider this- what if Hiro had meant the other Cheerleader? Now, his actions have had an effect, but perhaps not the designated effect if that's what he intended.
Moving on, though, it's possible that the entire course of events DID happen with Future Hiro, and at the advice of Peter, Hiro went back to deliver the message anyway. In which case his actions didn't change the actions that he had lived through, and Claire was the intended savee.
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Horn Rimmed Glasses. That's the name they're using for Mr. Bennett, because at first, we had no idea who he was. And even now, they've never mentioned his first name. They almost had his wife say it in this last ep, but then they interrupted her just before she could. It's deliberate.
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T_Smith mentioned this back on page 4 of this thread, but I just wanted to bring it up again--the invisible man who is trying to teach Peter how to control his powers is played by Chris Eccleston, who was the ninth Dr. Who (2004-2005). If you want someone for a tutor, Dr. Who should be a good one!
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Horn Rimmed Glasses. That's the name they're using for Mr. Bennett, because at first, we had no idea who he was. And even now, they've never mentioned his first name. They almost had his wife say it in this last ep, but then they interrupted her just before she could. It's deliberate.
According to his drivers licence, he doesn't have a first name and a last name. His only name is Bennett. I don't think we have heard anyone call him by any name, first or last, other than "Dad" or "my husband" yet. We call him Mr. Bennett solely because he's Claire Bennett's father.
Oh, and it isn't a question of the first name being obscured on the drivers license. There is a clear shot of the full drivers license. Nothing is obscured. His name is listed as "Bennett" his full signature is "Bennett".
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quote:Originally posted by Ron Lambert: T_Smith mentioned this back on page 4 of this thread, but I just wanted to bring it up again--the invisible man who is trying to teach Peter how to control his powers is played by Chris Eccleston, who was the ninth Dr. Who (2004-2005). If you want someone for a tutor, Dr. Who should be a good one!
And as long as were keeping track, didn't the actress who plays Nikki's shrink in prison play Kasidy Yates on DS9?
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The only thing Penny Johnson has done recently that most people would probably recignize is playing Sherry Palmer on "24."
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quote:Originally posted by T_Smith: "I've been wondering about that for a lon time now. I'm still going to go ahead and give the writers the benefit of the doubt -- for now. There is a lot about this world and these powers that we don't understand yet."
Ok, guys, remember when Matt was taken to be studied? Mr. Bennett said that the Haitian was the one blocking the powers.
I know that the Haitian is the one who blocks powers. I guess I can come up with two ways to make the scene with Nathan flying away all right:
1. The Haitian has to be consciously applying his powers and he was not.
2. The Haitian has a specific range to his power (say 10 feet) and Nathan managed to get out of range.
It could be something else. Like I said, for the moment, I am trying to give the writers the benefit of the doubt. Posts: 2392 | Registered: Sep 2005
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Nope. That I know for sure. Not sure who she is, but I haven't seen Kasidy since the 3rd season of 24.
I'm excited to see what happens when Peter and the Haitian finally meet up...hehe. Is that what causes the explosion? Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: Horn Rimmed Glasses. That's the name they're using for Mr. Bennett, because at first, we had no idea who he was. And even now, they've never mentioned his first name. They almost had his wife say it in this last ep, but then they interrupted her just before she could. It's deliberate.
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