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I know this is going to come too late to some people and the TV seems to have been silent on this, but Heroes resumes tonight! Ill be watching it right after Drive, yay for good TV scheduling!
PS: If you miss the episode you can always watch it online sometime tomorrow at www.nbc.com
Finally get to see the Peter Sylar showdown!
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I need to rewatch this episode. My cable died so I am watching it over my crappy rabbit ears, so the quality is very poor. I can see it and hear it, but it's just bad.
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Well it was a good episode (from what I could make out). I especially liked Hiro meeting his future self in the future. I'm looking forward to the 2012 episode next week.
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That was a pretty good one. Not my favorite, but good. I'm glad Claire found the piece of glass. That fit well. I'm also glad Linderman is evil (sort of ...?). So it seems like Nathan is going to go along with it?
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Very pleased with this episode, definitely not the best, but it really threw the plot solidly forward for every character. Not only that, I really like the direction the show is taking.
The whole "You can't fight the future" theme was very interesting, I am glad it appears they are exploring the future where the bomb has exploded.
I am very excited to see the remaining 4 episodes, I am still unsure if they are going to end this show or lead into another season. I really think it could go either way at this point.
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I spent half the episode screaming "TAKE THE FRICKIN GLASS OUT OF HIS HEAD!"
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me too
Also notice that either Sylar's painting skills are either disturblingly subpar or his seer abiility is perverted and possibly incorrect now?
Also very great reference to greek tradgedies, the moment Sylar walked into Isaacs apartment I realized "hey if Sylar knew his myths held realize knowing the future is a VERY bad idea".
Im just waiting for the Doctor to come along and fix everything or wait he already has!
To me this was an awesome epidsode and I am glad Isaac had an epithiny. however think the latest comics he made contained the information on how to stop Sylar?
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I enjoyed the episode, although I had three problems with it (fairly quibbling, but hey, what's Hatrack for?):
WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD (FOR HEROES AND THE WATCHMEN)
1. Linderman's "I used to be a superhero who realized that the only way I could really help the world would be to blow up New York to save humanity from itself" plot. Ozymandias much?
2. The scene with Peter and Sylar. A: Couldn't Sylar just hear Peter with his super hearing? Why bother with the slow, dramatic hovering glass (which should have given Peter ample time to escape)? B: Someone already mentioned this, but since Sylar's hovering glass was so slow and dramatic (and dispersed across a flat plane parallel to the floor) why didn't Peter just duck? My wife brought up the point that perhaps it happened faster than we saw (the camera was slowed down for effect) and Peter panicked and turned to flee. I could buy that, but the fact that Sylar couldn't just hear him bothered me.
3. (This one is really minor). At the end, Mohinder is talking in his father's apartment, apparently to himself, but then somebody steps out of the shadows. Mohinder is surprised that it's that other company man he's talking to (name escapes me) rather than Mr. Bennett. So, either other company man came to the door, Mohinder let him into the apartment, allowed him time to situate himself in the shadows (all without looking at him) before launching into a soliloquy, OR company man just "appeared" in the shadows (let himself into the apartment via some other means) and Mohinder launched into a soliloquy without investigating the person lurking in the shadows because, you know, no one skulky has tried to KILL him in the past 24 hours. <- awesome run on sentence
Besides those three points, good episode.
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quote:Originally posted by His Savageness: 2. The scene with Peter and Sylar. A: Couldn't Sylar just hear Peter with his super hearing? Why bother with the slow, dramatic hovering glass (which should have given Peter ample time to escape)? B: Someone already mentioned this, but since Sylar's hovering glass was so slow and dramatic (and dispersed across a flat plane parallel to the floor) why didn't Peter just duck? My wife brought up the point that perhaps it happened faster than we saw (the camera was slowed down for effect) and Peter panicked and turned to flee. I could buy that, but the fact that Sylar couldn't just hear him bothered me.
See, I interpreted that as Sylar pausing to use his super-hearing to find Peter. He was probably also savoring the moment, knowing that he could so easily overcome Peter's invisibility defence.
Blayne, That was one of the best puns, ever! Except it was Peter who got pithed. But still, pure punny genius!
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Still, why didn't Peter use his telekinesis? Or fly to the ceiling? But Sylar wouldn't see that one coming. Or nuke Sylar. That would've been funny. Or read Sylar's mind to see what he was going to do? Why was he turned around? Was he running away? The scene just bothered me.
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Oh, and any guesses as to Peter and Nathan's moms power?
And is it for sure that Peter is the blowing up man? Ted is going to be in New York now.
And is the assumption that by sending Claire away, Nathan is acquiescing to Lindermans big boom plan? Since Peter was saying maybe she could stop it, and Nathan sent her away?
And what plan of Lindermans would involve a technopath?
And last tidbit - Did they ever explain how they were able to block powers in the first few episodes? Why Parkman couldn't read Bennet's mind before but now he's doing it easily?
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Was is Mohinder that pushed the shelf into Sylar? How was he able to do that, wouldn't Sylar have noticed using any number of powers at his disposal?
I still thought it was a great scene though, I was clapping loudly through half of it. Also, the Hiro meeting future-Hiro was awesome. I can't wait to see what happens to Jessica/Nikki and her son. That part had me in hysterics too.
Excellent episode, but as with all of them, I'm left wondering, what would I have done if I had those powers? Probably something different.
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Strangelove: I always thought it was the Haitian who could block powers, along with erase people's memories. Parkman tried reading Bennet's mind near the end of the last series (I think when the Haitian wasn't around) only to find out Bennet was thinking in Japanese.
Now that Peter has had contact with Sylar, he should now have access to ALL Sylar's powers. Sweet!!!
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I'm guessing Sylar was salivating over Peter too much to pay any attention to anything else.
How much is Sylar even the villain now? All he's doing is killing individual heroes. Sure that's bad, but Linderman is the one everyone is concerned with stopping. Nuclear bomb takes precedent over psychopathic killer.
Maybe Peter can only use one power at a time? That would explain why Peter couldn't do anything against the glass.
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quote:Originally posted by sarcasticmuppet: Strangelove: I always thought it was the Haitian who could block powers, along with erase people's memories. Parkman tried reading Bennet's mind near the end of the last series (I think when the Haitian wasn't around) only to find out Bennet was thinking in Japanese.
Now that Peter has had contact with Sylar, he should now have access to ALL Sylar's powers. Sweet!!!
But why did the Haitian let Nathan go? Though ... I guess if he was working with Mrs. Petrelli that would be a reason. Kinda confusing. The Haitian, who was working with Bennet to protect Claire, is also in communication with Claire's real grandmother. And if he's the one who blocks powers, he let Claire's real father escape. Also interesting, would Sylar or Peter absorb that power? If their power is blocked, I guess they wouldn't. That would be handy to have though.
And I don't know ... We still don't know how Sylar does what he does. We know it involves brains, but what was his original power? Cannabalism? I think it's possible or likely that Peter wouldn't get all the powers Sylar has stolen, only his original power.
Ok, yeah, this is really my last post before I go study - If Sylar got even a glimpse of "the list" or even the program, shouldn't he be able to remember and recreate it with Charlie's power?
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His original power had to do with seeing how things work, which is why he was able to fix clocks so well and all. We don't know how he uses this power to absorb the other peoples' powers though.
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In the timeline that existed prior to Hiro's intervention (when Future Hiro told Peter to save the cheerleader), this is what happened.
Sylar kills Claire and gains her power. Sylar kills Ted and gains his power Sylar trys to blow up NYC, but is stabbed by Hiro. Sylar regenerates, and succeeds in blowing up NYC. This prompts Hiro to find a way to change it, so long as he can prevent Sylar from getting Claire's abilities. He returns to his own time, confused as to why his plan did not work.
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If Sylar has an amazing sence of how things work, then he can pry open a brain and find out how that power works, at least that my under standing.
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Last night's episode was definitely interesting. It kept me watching and I am very curious about next week.
I have huge plausibility problems with the Peter/Syler fight. I think it's all been mentioned...but unless I missed it, here's one more:
Mohinder knocking Syler out at the end? Peter was temporarily dead (always clear it was temporary...I was annoyed at how long it took them to find the glass) and somehow Mohinder manages to catch this guy off guard and knock him out long enough to get past him BUT of course, he doesn't put a bullet in his head while he was at it!
I also found Linderman to be far less interesting in person than he was as the mysterious man behind the scenes. I think they should have kept him there.
I am interested in knowing what Peter and Nathan's mom's power is.
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I just want to put in the random observation that Future Peter looks and dresses a lot like Neo from the Matrix.
So...Parkman kills future Bennett (not that it means anything. In all liklihood that timeline will disappear, if Hiro succeeds).
We have confirmation now that the Haitian can supress ALL powers (or at least, all that we've encountered), and not just telepathy. It remains to be seen what the range is, and whether the skill is passive or must be conciously employed. Can he turn it off, does he have to be conscious for it to work, etc. still needs to be determined.
We have confirmation that Peter was the bomb...
We see that Sylar is somewhat obsessed (to say the least) with acquiring Claire's abilities, which at least partially accounts for his rounding up of mutants. Do you suppose that he was harvesting powers from prisoners?
And we didn't see Peter's/Nathan's mother this episode. Is this significant?
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Did we ever see Peter use more than one power at a time this episode? It might be a critical plot point to know if his use of other powers is somehow limited.
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quote:I am interested in knowing what Peter and Nathan's mom's power is.
I'm going to speculate that she has prescient dreams. A prescient dream of Nathan's crash was Peter's first expressed super power and yet we still don't know who he got this power from. What's more, Mom Petrelli said she knew about Nathan's and Peter's powers before they did which would be explained if she has prescient dreams.
quote:And we didn't see Peter's/Nathan's mother this episode. Is this significant?
I think the key significance is that we still don't know whether or not she is in league with Linderman. Because she wasn't in this episode we still have no idea where her true loyalties lie.
quote:Freaky episode. I think it will be irrelevant if they manage to change the past, though.
There are several things we learned that aren't irrelevant.
We learned that Peter is definitely the bomb.
We learned that what Isaac paints/draws can be changed and that Isaac saw a route to a different future.
We learned the Haitian has the ability to supress peoples powers.
We learned that the mutations can not be reversed or treated.
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I feel really bad for Isaac. He died thinking he had given Hiro the answer to save the world, but I don't think he did. What good is stabbing Syler if A) it's what Hiro did the first time to no effect and B) Peter is the one who blows up anyway?
I don't think anything Hiro intends to do is actually going to save the world. You'd think a man who can time travel would go back to the moment the bomb exploded and see exactly what happened. (Or take Peter or Claire who can regenerate and therefore aren't in danger.)
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We have confirmation now that the Haitian can supress ALL powers (or at least, all that we've encountered), and not just telepathy. It remains to be seen what the range is, and whether the skill is passive or must be conciously employed. Can he turn it off, does he have to be conscious for it to work, etc. still needs to be determined.
He must be able to control it, Parkman was able to read Hiro's mind while in the room with the Haitian.
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We have confirmation now that the Haitian can supress ALL powers (or at least, all that we've encountered), and not just telepathy. It remains to be seen what the range is, and whether the skill is passive or must be conciously employed. Can he turn it off, does he have to be conscious for it to work, etc. still needs to be determined.
He must be able to control it, Parkman was able to read Hiro's mind while in the room with the Haitian.
Now, how much can he control it? Can he, say, supress Hiro's abilities while leaving Parkman free to read minds? Or what?
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I don't think Matt Parkman is a bad person. I think almost anyone could, given the right circumstances, find themselves doing things that aren't right.
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Yeah, Parkman doesn't strike me as being cruel or evil but rather just a person doing his job.
I was kind of wondering why killing sylar would stop the bomb. I was also wondering (briefly) if the guy Hiro "killed" was actually Peter, but that makes no sense at all.
Avid: The difference is that now Sylar can't regenerate.
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I'm not usually shocked at a development on a TV show but when it was revealed Sylar was Nathan my jaw dropped...
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Yeah, that really freaked me out as well, but somehow made it more emotionally acceptable. Syler is just an evil character, so his presence means that I can emotionally detach to a greater degree, as opposed to when a human with whom I emphasize does something evil which is highly painful.
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There are clearly severe limitation to what can be done jumping to the past. We don't know the rules but we know that Hiro couldn't save Charlie. We know that when he visited Peter he said he was risking a rupture in space time by coming. We know that he has been studying the time line trying to find the precise moment when he can change things rather just going back and trying stuff. We know he needed to send present day Hiro back to stop Sylar rather than going himself. At any rate there seem to rules that limit what Hiro can do and future Hiro clearly has a better understanding of those rules than we do.
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quote:Originally posted by BandoCommando: Now, how much can he control it? Can he, say, supress Hiro's abilities while leaving Parkman free to read minds? Or what?
I thought that was pretty clearly answered by the fact that Parkman was reading Hiro's mind in the room where the Haitian was supressing his powers.
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It's kinda a hole why Parkman couldn't pick up that Hiro had time traveled in. I think Hiro'd have thought of that sooner or later. Furthermore, when Syler was under all that drugging with Bennet, he seemed to come back from the dead.
What would stabbing him with a knife do that being killed with drugs didn't? Or perhaps there Syler used some power that let him fake death, and had he actually been physically killed he'd have died?
Anyway, trivia: The character who plays Hiro came from Brown! Posts: 3060 | Registered: Nov 2003
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